$5k bonus for MCPS general educators to become special educators

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What good are teachers that aren't willing to do their jobs? If MCEA keeps up with its behavior, MCPS will contract out more and more positions. In the short run that could be more expensive, but the district will be better off in the long run.

Are you joking? Teachers are doing their jobs! It's just that the jobs are getting harder and harder with less overall respect/job satisfaction.

For many people teaching is no longer a good work/life balance compared to other careers that offer more pay, work from home, respect, etc.

And you are somehow assuming the contracted positions are somehow better than MCPS employees. That may be true in some personal situations, but overall I highly doubt it.

Most teachers have to even work 180 days (not including sick days) and even get a pension after something like 20 years.

Closer to 30 to 35 years in order to retire with a pension equal to 40% of final salary. Maryland follows the age plus work years equal 90 formula. So, most retire around age 60 with at least 30 years of MD state service. Theoretically, the earliest they can retire would be hired at age 22 and then working until 56 with 33 years of continuous service.

Teachers work 192 days plus two required days in the middle of summer. In order to keep out certs we also have to take grad school courses, so lets say on average that is one or two weeks a summer at minimum. Then we basically get furloughed without pay for 5 to 6 weeks every summer.

Just curious what this means?

Not much- just that she doesn’t understand her retirement benefits. She’s probably a social studies or english teacher.

English teacher here. I understand my benefits and I understand the PP’s explanation of the 90 formula. I’m not sure you do?

Keep the nastiness coming. I’m one ridiculous parent away from quitting. I know I can walk into other professions with my skills and make twice what I make now. I stay because I like teaching, but this type of horrendous behavior is old and tiresome. I suppose the current teacher shortage isn’t enough for the PP to grasp that you can’t treat teachers like we’re inept anymore.

Sure… Education majors are obviously highly in-demand outside of education...

I’m able to manage 130 people a day. I can collect and analyze a tremendous amount of ever-changing data. I can create and deliver engaging presentations, and I can be prepared to do it again the following day. I can determine how to change delivery of content based on audience. I can communicate effectively in person and online. I can lead teams. I can access and interpret information quickly and accurately, then clearly communicate its meaning to others. I write well. I come prepared, but I’m able to shift course immediately. I’m also able to work 8 hours with few breaks.

I know plenty of teachers who have left the profession in the past 3-4 years. All have gone on to higher pay and less stress. Trust me when I say teachers aren’t thinking that they are trapped in the classroom.

No, they’re not trapped. But the vast majority wouldn’t be able to get the same pay and benefits in another field.

I see at least 3 different posters whose experience states otherwise.

I’m the PP. I know my worth and I’m able to articulate it. The nice thing about teaching is that it requires continuing education. I now have two advanced degrees and a ton of proven success managing data and people.

Don’t bother telling teachers that we won’t find a better deal elsewhere. We have former coworkers who have already done it. Instead of talking down to teachers, perhaps it’s time to respect us for what we provide. A good teacher is worth far more than society thinks, in pay but also in respect.

A masters in education isn’t a meaningful “advanced degree” outside of teaching. But go ahead and figure that out for yourself.

Don’t underestimate the long-term impact your unions had on the reputation of teachers by trying to keep schools closed.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wanna give a shout-out to the parents in this community who did this. (You know their names.. the re-opening group from hell.. the same old, but never ending BOE testimony parents, the “this is my chance to get famous on Fox News and get my name in the post” parents…) this is all on you. Not admin. Not MCPS. You can deny it all you want. We quit because of you. You said we should, so we did. Good luck. You’re all probably happy because now you can still be angry about something and write endless op-Eds for your CVs, or beg Fox 5 for more airtime. Look in the mirror.

What are you even talking about? You're blaming the teacher shortage on people who wanted schools open for their children? You realize we were one of the last to open right?

They showed their true colors. They continue to. Anyone here can see that but those people. You’re probably one of them. That disgusting vitriol and hate they spewed at teachers… all while telling them they should quit.. all while begging them to stay… is the reason no one wants to do this job anymore. Parents feel so entitled to teachers. Guess what? We quit in droves. Because of you. Have fun!

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Anonymous wrote:Every educator I know who left the profession early was offered a better job immediately. Their common reaction was "Why didn't I do this sooner?"

Of course they’re getting job offers. Unemployment is incredibly low, and presumably there’s a disproportionate number of teachers with other marketable skills leaving the profession.

But how many of those other jobs have pensions? Or retiree health benefits? Or job security that makes the employees nearly impossible to fire? Or summers off? Or pay rates between $80-100k

You might be able to check a couple of those boxes, but not all of them.

All anti- teacher people focus on the summers off. I make 250k and I work six months a year. I’m sorry you weren’t able to secure a job that allows you to live your life but many of us have. It’s such a pathetic thing to fixate on.

And do you think your job is something the 13,000 teachers in MCPS could switch to if they simply quit their current jobs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just wanna give a shout-out to the parents in this community who did this. (You know their names.. the re-opening group from hell.. the same old, but never ending BOE testimony parents, the “this is my chance to get famous on Fox News and get my name in the post” parents…) this is all on you. Not admin. Not MCPS. You can deny it all you want. We quit because of you. You said we should, so we did. Good luck. You’re all probably happy because now you can still be angry about something and write endless op-Eds for your CVs, or beg Fox 5 for more airtime. Look in the mirror.

What are you even talking about? You're blaming the teacher shortage on people who wanted schools open for their children? You realize we were one of the last to open right?

They showed their true colors. They continue to. Anyone here can see that but those people. You’re probably one of them. That disgusting vitriol and hate they spewed at teachers… all while telling them they should quit.. all while begging them to stay… is the reason no one wants to do this job anymore. Parents feel so entitled to teachers. Guess what? We quit in droves. Because of you. Have fun!

Did you quit yet? Because otherwise you really should. No one is ”begging” you to stay.

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What good are teachers that aren't willing to do their jobs? If MCEA keeps up with its behavior, MCPS will contract out more and more positions. In the short run that could be more expensive, but the district will be better off in the long run.

Are you joking? Teachers are doing their jobs! It's just that the jobs are getting harder and harder with less overall respect/job satisfaction.

For many people teaching is no longer a good work/life balance compared to other careers that offer more pay, work from home, respect, etc.

And you are somehow assuming the contracted positions are somehow better than MCPS employees. That may be true in some personal situations, but overall I highly doubt it.

Most teachers have to even work 180 days (not including sick days) and even get a pension after something like 20 years.

Closer to 30 to 35 years in order to retire with a pension equal to 40% of final salary. Maryland follows the age plus work years equal 90 formula. So, most retire around age 60 with at least 30 years of MD state service. Theoretically, the earliest they can retire would be hired at age 22 and then working until 56 with 33 years of continuous service.

Teachers work 192 days plus two required days in the middle of summer. In order to keep out certs we also have to take grad school courses, so lets say on average that is one or two weeks a summer at minimum. Then we basically get furloughed without pay for 5 to 6 weeks every summer.

Just curious what this means?

Not much- just that she doesn’t understand her retirement benefits. She’s probably a social studies or english teacher.

English teacher here. I understand my benefits and I understand the PP’s explanation of the 90 formula. I’m not sure you do?

Keep the nastiness coming. I’m one ridiculous parent away from quitting. I know I can walk into other professions with my skills and make twice what I make now. I stay because I like teaching, but this type of horrendous behavior is old and tiresome. I suppose the current teacher shortage isn’t enough for the PP to grasp that you can’t treat teachers like we’re inept anymore.

Sure… Education majors are obviously highly in-demand outside of education...

I’m able to manage 130 people a day. I can collect and analyze a tremendous amount of ever-changing data. I can create and deliver engaging presentations, and I can be prepared to do it again the following day. I can determine how to change delivery of content based on audience. I can communicate effectively in person and online. I can lead teams. I can access and interpret information quickly and accurately, then clearly communicate its meaning to others. I write well. I come prepared, but I’m able to shift course immediately. I’m also able to work 8 hours with few breaks.

I know plenty of teachers who have left the profession in the past 3-4 years. All have gone on to higher pay and less stress. Trust me when I say teachers aren’t thinking that they are trapped in the classroom.

No, they’re not trapped. But the vast majority wouldn’t be able to get the same pay and benefits in another field.

I see at least 3 different posters whose experience states otherwise.

I’m the PP. I know my worth and I’m able to articulate it. The nice thing about teaching is that it requires continuing education. I now have two advanced degrees and a ton of proven success managing data and people.

Don’t bother telling teachers that we won’t find a better deal elsewhere. We have former coworkers who have already done it. Instead of talking down to teachers, perhaps it’s time to respect us for what we provide. A good teacher is worth far more than society thinks, in pay but also in respect.

A masters in education isn’t a meaningful “advanced degree” outside of teaching. But go ahead and figure that out for yourself.

Don’t underestimate the long-term impact your unions had on the reputation of teachers by trying to keep schools closed.

You can’t even read because I said my degrees had nothing to do with teaching aka nothing to do with education. You’re just so sad. Pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just wanna give a shout-out to the parents in this community who did this. (You know their names.. the re-opening group from hell.. the same old, but never ending BOE testimony parents, the “this is my chance to get famous on Fox News and get my name in the post” parents…) this is all on you. Not admin. Not MCPS. You can deny it all you want. We quit because of you. You said we should, so we did. Good luck. You’re all probably happy because now you can still be angry about something and write endless op-Eds for your CVs, or beg Fox 5 for more airtime. Look in the mirror.

What are you even talking about? You're blaming the teacher shortage on people who wanted schools open for their children? You realize we were one of the last to open right?

They showed their true colors. They continue to. Anyone here can see that but those people. You’re probably one of them. That disgusting vitriol and hate they spewed at teachers… all while telling them they should quit.. all while begging them to stay… is the reason no one wants to do this job anymore. Parents feel so entitled to teachers. Guess what? We quit in droves. Because of you. Have fun!

Did you quit yet? Because otherwise you really should. No one is ”begging” you to stay.

Aww but you are.

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What good are teachers that aren't willing to do their jobs? If MCEA keeps up with its behavior, MCPS will contract out more and more positions. In the short run that could be more expensive, but the district will be better off in the long run.

Are you joking? Teachers are doing their jobs! It's just that the jobs are getting harder and harder with less overall respect/job satisfaction.

For many people teaching is no longer a good work/life balance compared to other careers that offer more pay, work from home, respect, etc.

And you are somehow assuming the contracted positions are somehow better than MCPS employees. That may be true in some personal situations, but overall I highly doubt it.

Most teachers have to even work 180 days (not including sick days) and even get a pension after something like 20 years.

Closer to 30 to 35 years in order to retire with a pension equal to 40% of final salary. Maryland follows the age plus work years equal 90 formula. So, most retire around age 60 with at least 30 years of MD state service. Theoretically, the earliest they can retire would be hired at age 22 and then working until 56 with 33 years of continuous service.

Teachers work 192 days plus two required days in the middle of summer. In order to keep out certs we also have to take grad school courses, so lets say on average that is one or two weeks a summer at minimum. Then we basically get furloughed without pay for 5 to 6 weeks every summer.

Just curious what this means?

Not much- just that she doesn’t understand her retirement benefits. She’s probably a social studies or english teacher.

English teacher here. I understand my benefits and I understand the PP’s explanation of the 90 formula. I’m not sure you do?

Keep the nastiness coming. I’m one ridiculous parent away from quitting. I know I can walk into other professions with my skills and make twice what I make now. I stay because I like teaching, but this type of horrendous behavior is old and tiresome. I suppose the current teacher shortage isn’t enough for the PP to grasp that you can’t treat teachers like we’re inept anymore.

Sure… Education majors are obviously highly in-demand outside of education...

I’m able to manage 130 people a day. I can collect and analyze a tremendous amount of ever-changing data. I can create and deliver engaging presentations, and I can be prepared to do it again the following day. I can determine how to change delivery of content based on audience. I can communicate effectively in person and online. I can lead teams. I can access and interpret information quickly and accurately, then clearly communicate its meaning to others. I write well. I come prepared, but I’m able to shift course immediately. I’m also able to work 8 hours with few breaks.

I know plenty of teachers who have left the profession in the past 3-4 years. All have gone on to higher pay and less stress. Trust me when I say teachers aren’t thinking that they are trapped in the classroom.

No, they’re not trapped. But the vast majority wouldn’t be able to get the same pay and benefits in another field.

I see at least 3 different posters whose experience states otherwise.

I’m the PP. I know my worth and I’m able to articulate it. The nice thing about teaching is that it requires continuing education. I now have two advanced degrees and a ton of proven success managing data and people.

Don’t bother telling teachers that we won’t find a better deal elsewhere. We have former coworkers who have already done it. Instead of talking down to teachers, perhaps it’s time to respect us for what we provide. A good teacher is worth far more than society thinks, in pay but also in respect.

A masters in education isn’t a meaningful “advanced degree” outside of teaching. But go ahead and figure that out for yourself.

Don’t underestimate the long-term impact your unions had on the reputation of teachers by trying to keep schools closed.

Who said the masters degrees are in education? A teacher has a lot of flexibility in WHAT they study after their initial certification. I’m currently taking courses in a new language. And even if they were, think about the people in your profession who did not initially major in your field. A lot of professions simply care that you have advanced education in any form.

I am not the union. Many teachers don’t actually agree with their union’s actions. I was able and willing to teach in-person since 2020. As it stands, I did what teachers do best: I made something out of a bad situation. I had no idea what could be accomplished online, but I am very proud of my virtual classes.

You can continue to insult teachers. All you will accomplish is driving further nails into this profession. A more logical course would be to support those of us who haven’t left yet and help us rebuild. Perhaps you’re not up for that task.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every educator I know who left the profession early was offered a better job immediately. Their common reaction was "Why didn't I do this sooner?"

Of course they’re getting job offers. Unemployment is incredibly low, and presumably there’s a disproportionate number of teachers with other marketable skills leaving the profession.

But how many of those other jobs have pensions? Or retiree health benefits? Or job security that makes the employees nearly impossible to fire? Or summers off? Or pay rates between $80-100k

You might be able to check a couple of those boxes, but not all of them.

All anti- teacher people focus on the summers off. I make 250k and I work six months a year. I’m sorry you weren’t able to secure a job that allows you to live your life but many of us have. It’s such a pathetic thing to fixate on.

And do you think your job is something the 13,000 teachers in MCPS could switch to if they simply quit their current jobs?

Absolutely. They have college educations. You just sound miserable with your life and didn’t look harder to find a better situation for yourself. I’m sorry you’re stuck but stop blaming other people with your 1970s rhetoric.

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What good are teachers that aren't willing to do their jobs? If MCEA keeps up with its behavior, MCPS will contract out more and more positions. In the short run that could be more expensive, but the district will be better off in the long run.

Are you joking? Teachers are doing their jobs! It's just that the jobs are getting harder and harder with less overall respect/job satisfaction.

For many people teaching is no longer a good work/life balance compared to other careers that offer more pay, work from home, respect, etc.

And you are somehow assuming the contracted positions are somehow better than MCPS employees. That may be true in some personal situations, but overall I highly doubt it.

Most teachers have to even work 180 days (not including sick days) and even get a pension after something like 20 years.

Closer to 30 to 35 years in order to retire with a pension equal to 40% of final salary. Maryland follows the age plus work years equal 90 formula. So, most retire around age 60 with at least 30 years of MD state service. Theoretically, the earliest they can retire would be hired at age 22 and then working until 56 with 33 years of continuous service.

Teachers work 192 days plus two required days in the middle of summer. In order to keep out certs we also have to take grad school courses, so lets say on average that is one or two weeks a summer at minimum. Then we basically get furloughed without pay for 5 to 6 weeks every summer.

Just curious what this means?

Not much- just that she doesn’t understand her retirement benefits. She’s probably a social studies or english teacher.

English teacher here. I understand my benefits and I understand the PP’s explanation of the 90 formula. I’m not sure you do?

Keep the nastiness coming. I’m one ridiculous parent away from quitting. I know I can walk into other professions with my skills and make twice what I make now. I stay because I like teaching, but this type of horrendous behavior is old and tiresome. I suppose the current teacher shortage isn’t enough for the PP to grasp that you can’t treat teachers like we’re inept anymore.

Sure… Education majors are obviously highly in-demand outside of education...

I’m able to manage 130 people a day. I can collect and analyze a tremendous amount of ever-changing data. I can create and deliver engaging presentations, and I can be prepared to do it again the following day. I can determine how to change delivery of content based on audience. I can communicate effectively in person and online. I can lead teams. I can access and interpret information quickly and accurately, then clearly communicate its meaning to others. I write well. I come prepared, but I’m able to shift course immediately. I’m also able to work 8 hours with few breaks.

I know plenty of teachers who have left the profession in the past 3-4 years. All have gone on to higher pay and less stress. Trust me when I say teachers aren’t thinking that they are trapped in the classroom.

No, they’re not trapped. But the vast majority wouldn’t be able to get the same pay and benefits in another field.

I see at least 3 different posters whose experience states otherwise.

I’m the PP. I know my worth and I’m able to articulate it. The nice thing about teaching is that it requires continuing education. I now have two advanced degrees and a ton of proven success managing data and people.

Don’t bother telling teachers that we won’t find a better deal elsewhere. We have former coworkers who have already done it. Instead of talking down to teachers, perhaps it’s time to respect us for what we provide. A good teacher is worth far more than society thinks, in pay but also in respect.

A masters in education isn’t a meaningful “advanced degree” outside of teaching. But go ahead and figure that out for yourself.

Don’t underestimate the long-term impact your unions had on the reputation of teachers by trying to keep schools closed.

You can’t even read because I said my degrees had nothing to do with teaching aka nothing to do with education. You’re just so sad. Pathetic.

Then go ahead and find out what life outside of MCPS is like. Again, no one is begging you to stay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Every educator I know who left the profession early was offered a better job immediately. Their common reaction was "Why didn't I do this sooner?"

Of course they’re getting job offers. Unemployment is incredibly low, and presumably there’s a disproportionate number of teachers with other marketable skills leaving the profession.

But how many of those other jobs have pensions? Or retiree health benefits? Or job security that makes the employees nearly impossible to fire? Or summers off? Or pay rates between $80-100k

You might be able to check a couple of those boxes, but not all of them.

All anti- teacher people focus on the summers off. I make 250k and I work six months a year. I’m sorry you weren’t able to secure a job that allows you to live your life but many of us have. It’s such a pathetic thing to fixate on.

And do you think your job is something the 13,000 teachers in MCPS could switch to if they simply quit their current jobs?

Absolutely. They have college educations. You just sound miserable with your life and didn’t look harder to find a better situation for yourself. I’m sorry you’re stuck but stop blaming other people with your 1970s rhetoric.

Thank you for your support and trust in teachers! It’s refreshing, especially on DCUM.
- a teacher

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What good are teachers that aren't willing to do their jobs? If MCEA keeps up with its behavior, MCPS will contract out more and more positions. In the short run that could be more expensive, but the district will be better off in the long run.

Are you joking? Teachers are doing their jobs! It's just that the jobs are getting harder and harder with less overall respect/job satisfaction.

For many people teaching is no longer a good work/life balance compared to other careers that offer more pay, work from home, respect, etc.

And you are somehow assuming the contracted positions are somehow better than MCPS employees. That may be true in some personal situations, but overall I highly doubt it.

Most teachers have to even work 180 days (not including sick days) and even get a pension after something like 20 years.

Closer to 30 to 35 years in order to retire with a pension equal to 40% of final salary. Maryland follows the age plus work years equal 90 formula. So, most retire around age 60 with at least 30 years of MD state service. Theoretically, the earliest they can retire would be hired at age 22 and then working until 56 with 33 years of continuous service.

Teachers work 192 days plus two required days in the middle of summer. In order to keep out certs we also have to take grad school courses, so lets say on average that is one or two weeks a summer at minimum. Then we basically get furloughed without pay for 5 to 6 weeks every summer.

Just curious what this means?

Not much- just that she doesn’t understand her retirement benefits. She’s probably a social studies or english teacher.

English teacher here. I understand my benefits and I understand the PP’s explanation of the 90 formula. I’m not sure you do?

Keep the nastiness coming. I’m one ridiculous parent away from quitting. I know I can walk into other professions with my skills and make twice what I make now. I stay because I like teaching, but this type of horrendous behavior is old and tiresome. I suppose the current teacher shortage isn’t enough for the PP to grasp that you can’t treat teachers like we’re inept anymore.

Sure… Education majors are obviously highly in-demand outside of education...

I’m able to manage 130 people a day. I can collect and analyze a tremendous amount of ever-changing data. I can create and deliver engaging presentations, and I can be prepared to do it again the following day. I can determine how to change delivery of content based on audience. I can communicate effectively in person and online. I can lead teams. I can access and interpret information quickly and accurately, then clearly communicate its meaning to others. I write well. I come prepared, but I’m able to shift course immediately. I’m also able to work 8 hours with few breaks.

I know plenty of teachers who have left the profession in the past 3-4 years. All have gone on to higher pay and less stress. Trust me when I say teachers aren’t thinking that they are trapped in the classroom.

No, they’re not trapped. But the vast majority wouldn’t be able to get the same pay and benefits in another field.

I see at least 3 different posters whose experience states otherwise.

I’m the PP. I know my worth and I’m able to articulate it. The nice thing about teaching is that it requires continuing education. I now have two advanced degrees and a ton of proven success managing data and people.

Don’t bother telling teachers that we won’t find a better deal elsewhere. We have former coworkers who have already done it. Instead of talking down to teachers, perhaps it’s time to respect us for what we provide. A good teacher is worth far more than society thinks, in pay but also in respect.

A masters in education isn’t a meaningful “advanced degree” outside of teaching. But go ahead and figure that out for yourself.

Don’t underestimate the long-term impact your unions had on the reputation of teachers by trying to keep schools closed.

Who said the masters degrees are in education? A teacher has a lot of flexibility in WHAT they study after their initial certification. I’m currently taking courses in a new language. And even if they were, think about the people in your profession who did not initially major in your field. A lot of professions simply care that you have advanced education in any form.

I am not the union. Many teachers don’t actually agree with their union’s actions. I was able and willing to teach in-person since 2020. As it stands, I did what teachers do best: I made something out of a bad situation. I had no idea what could be accomplished online, but I am very proud of my virtual classes.

You can continue to insult teachers. All you will accomplish is driving further nails into this profession. A more logical course would be to support those of us who haven’t left yet and help us rebuild. Perhaps you’re not up for that task.

You can’t rebuild before removing the rot. Maybe you’re not part of that rot, but you likely aren’t doing anything to get rid of it, either.

[Anonymous]

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What good are teachers that aren't willing to do their jobs? If MCEA keeps up with its behavior, MCPS will contract out more and more positions. In the short run that could be more expensive, but the district will be better off in the long run.

Are you joking? Teachers are doing their jobs! It's just that the jobs are getting harder and harder with less overall respect/job satisfaction.

For many people teaching is no longer a good work/life balance compared to other careers that offer more pay, work from home, respect, etc.

And you are somehow assuming the contracted positions are somehow better than MCPS employees. That may be true in some personal situations, but overall I highly doubt it.

Most teachers have to even work 180 days (not including sick days) and even get a pension after something like 20 years.

Closer to 30 to 35 years in order to retire with a pension equal to 40% of final salary. Maryland follows the age plus work years equal 90 formula. So, most retire around age 60 with at least 30 years of MD state service. Theoretically, the earliest they can retire would be hired at age 22 and then working until 56 with 33 years of continuous service.

Teachers work 192 days plus two required days in the middle of summer. In order to keep out certs we also have to take grad school courses, so lets say on average that is one or two weeks a summer at minimum. Then we basically get furloughed without pay for 5 to 6 weeks every summer.

Just curious what this means?

Not much- just that she doesn’t understand her retirement benefits. She’s probably a social studies or english teacher.

English teacher here. I understand my benefits and I understand the PP’s explanation of the 90 formula. I’m not sure you do?

Keep the nastiness coming. I’m one ridiculous parent away from quitting. I know I can walk into other professions with my skills and make twice what I make now. I stay because I like teaching, but this type of horrendous behavior is old and tiresome. I suppose the current teacher shortage isn’t enough for the PP to grasp that you can’t treat teachers like we’re inept anymore.

Sure… Education majors are obviously highly in-demand outside of education...

I’m able to manage 130 people a day. I can collect and analyze a tremendous amount of ever-changing data. I can create and deliver engaging presentations, and I can be prepared to do it again the following day. I can determine how to change delivery of content based on audience. I can communicate effectively in person and online. I can lead teams. I can access and interpret information quickly and accurately, then clearly communicate its meaning to others. I write well. I come prepared, but I’m able to shift course immediately. I’m also able to work 8 hours with few breaks.

I know plenty of teachers who have left the profession in the past 3-4 years. All have gone on to higher pay and less stress. Trust me when I say teachers aren’t thinking that they are trapped in the classroom.

No, they’re not trapped. But the vast majority wouldn’t be able to get the same pay and benefits in another field.

I see at least 3 different posters whose experience states otherwise.

I’m the PP. I know my worth and I’m able to articulate it. The nice thing about teaching is that it requires continuing education. I now have two advanced degrees and a ton of proven success managing data and people.

Don’t bother telling teachers that we won’t find a better deal elsewhere. We have former coworkers who have already done it. Instead of talking down to teachers, perhaps it’s time to respect us for what we provide. A good teacher is worth far more than society thinks, in pay but also in respect.

A masters in education isn’t a meaningful “advanced degree” outside of teaching. But go ahead and figure that out for yourself.

Don’t underestimate the long-term impact your unions had on the reputation of teachers by trying to keep schools closed.

You can’t even read because I said my degrees had nothing to do with teaching aka nothing to do with education. You’re just so sad. Pathetic.

Then go ahead and find out what life outside of MCPS is like. Again, no one is begging you to stay.

DP but it’s absolutely insane you keep doubling down in the middle of an actual teacher shortage. You sound like you have some real issues. No wonder teachers are quitting.

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Anonymous wrote:Every educator I know who left the profession early was offered a better job immediately. Their common reaction was "Why didn't I do this sooner?"

Of course they’re getting job offers. Unemployment is incredibly low, and presumably there’s a disproportionate number of teachers with other marketable skills leaving the profession.

But how many of those other jobs have pensions? Or retiree health benefits? Or job security that makes the employees nearly impossible to fire? Or summers off? Or pay rates between $80-100k

You might be able to check a couple of those boxes, but not all of them.

All anti- teacher people focus on the summers off. I make 250k and I work six months a year. I’m sorry you weren’t able to secure a job that allows you to live your life but many of us have. It’s such a pathetic thing to fixate on.

And do you think your job is something the 13,000 teachers in MCPS could switch to if they simply quit their current jobs?

Absolutely. They have college educations. You just sound miserable with your life and didn’t look harder to find a better situation for yourself. I’m sorry you’re stuck but stop blaming other people with your 1970s rhetoric.

Then it seems like you have a moral obligation to tell MCEA about this magical job that they can all switch to.

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What good are teachers that aren't willing to do their jobs? If MCEA keeps up with its behavior, MCPS will contract out more and more positions. In the short run that could be more expensive, but the district will be better off in the long run.

Are you joking? Teachers are doing their jobs! It's just that the jobs are getting harder and harder with less overall respect/job satisfaction.

For many people teaching is no longer a good work/life balance compared to other careers that offer more pay, work from home, respect, etc.

And you are somehow assuming the contracted positions are somehow better than MCPS employees. That may be true in some personal situations, but overall I highly doubt it.

Most teachers have to even work 180 days (not including sick days) and even get a pension after something like 20 years.

Closer to 30 to 35 years in order to retire with a pension equal to 40% of final salary. Maryland follows the age plus work years equal 90 formula. So, most retire around age 60 with at least 30 years of MD state service. Theoretically, the earliest they can retire would be hired at age 22 and then working until 56 with 33 years of continuous service.

Teachers work 192 days plus two required days in the middle of summer. In order to keep out certs we also have to take grad school courses, so lets say on average that is one or two weeks a summer at minimum. Then we basically get furloughed without pay for 5 to 6 weeks every summer.

Just curious what this means?

Not much- just that she doesn’t understand her retirement benefits. She’s probably a social studies or english teacher.

English teacher here. I understand my benefits and I understand the PP’s explanation of the 90 formula. I’m not sure you do?

Keep the nastiness coming. I’m one ridiculous parent away from quitting. I know I can walk into other professions with my skills and make twice what I make now. I stay because I like teaching, but this type of horrendous behavior is old and tiresome. I suppose the current teacher shortage isn’t enough for the PP to grasp that you can’t treat teachers like we’re inept anymore.

Sure… Education majors are obviously highly in-demand outside of education...

I’m able to manage 130 people a day. I can collect and analyze a tremendous amount of ever-changing data. I can create and deliver engaging presentations, and I can be prepared to do it again the following day. I can determine how to change delivery of content based on audience. I can communicate effectively in person and online. I can lead teams. I can access and interpret information quickly and accurately, then clearly communicate its meaning to others. I write well. I come prepared, but I’m able to shift course immediately. I’m also able to work 8 hours with few breaks.

I know plenty of teachers who have left the profession in the past 3-4 years. All have gone on to higher pay and less stress. Trust me when I say teachers aren’t thinking that they are trapped in the classroom.

No, they’re not trapped. But the vast majority wouldn’t be able to get the same pay and benefits in another field.

I see at least 3 different posters whose experience states otherwise.

I’m the PP. I know my worth and I’m able to articulate it. The nice thing about teaching is that it requires continuing education. I now have two advanced degrees and a ton of proven success managing data and people.

Don’t bother telling teachers that we won’t find a better deal elsewhere. We have former coworkers who have already done it. Instead of talking down to teachers, perhaps it’s time to respect us for what we provide. A good teacher is worth far more than society thinks, in pay but also in respect.

A masters in education isn’t a meaningful “advanced degree” outside of teaching. But go ahead and figure that out for yourself.

Don’t underestimate the long-term impact your unions had on the reputation of teachers by trying to keep schools closed.

You can’t even read because I said my degrees had nothing to do with teaching aka nothing to do with education. You’re just so sad. Pathetic.

Then go ahead and find out what life outside of MCPS is like. Again, no one is begging you to stay.

DP but it’s absolutely insane you keep doubling down in the middle of an actual teacher shortage. You sound like you have some real issues. No wonder teachers are quitting.

There’s not a shortage. There’s a market failure because teachers unions won’t allow pay scales to float based on supply and demand for particular positions.

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What good are teachers that aren't willing to do their jobs? If MCEA keeps up with its behavior, MCPS will contract out more and more positions. In the short run that could be more expensive, but the district will be better off in the long run.

Are you joking? Teachers are doing their jobs! It's just that the jobs are getting harder and harder with less overall respect/job satisfaction.

For many people teaching is no longer a good work/life balance compared to other careers that offer more pay, work from home, respect, etc.

And you are somehow assuming the contracted positions are somehow better than MCPS employees. That may be true in some personal situations, but overall I highly doubt it.

Most teachers have to even work 180 days (not including sick days) and even get a pension after something like 20 years.

Closer to 30 to 35 years in order to retire with a pension equal to 40% of final salary. Maryland follows the age plus work years equal 90 formula. So, most retire around age 60 with at least 30 years of MD state service. Theoretically, the earliest they can retire would be hired at age 22 and then working until 56 with 33 years of continuous service.

Teachers work 192 days plus two required days in the middle of summer. In order to keep out certs we also have to take grad school courses, so lets say on average that is one or two weeks a summer at minimum. Then we basically get furloughed without pay for 5 to 6 weeks every summer.

Just curious what this means?

Not much- just that she doesn’t understand her retirement benefits. She’s probably a social studies or english teacher.

English teacher here. I understand my benefits and I understand the PP’s explanation of the 90 formula. I’m not sure you do?

Keep the nastiness coming. I’m one ridiculous parent away from quitting. I know I can walk into other professions with my skills and make twice what I make now. I stay because I like teaching, but this type of horrendous behavior is old and tiresome. I suppose the current teacher shortage isn’t enough for the PP to grasp that you can’t treat teachers like we’re inept anymore.

Sure… Education majors are obviously highly in-demand outside of education...

I’m able to manage 130 people a day. I can collect and analyze a tremendous amount of ever-changing data. I can create and deliver engaging presentations, and I can be prepared to do it again the following day. I can determine how to change delivery of content based on audience. I can communicate effectively in person and online. I can lead teams. I can access and interpret information quickly and accurately, then clearly communicate its meaning to others. I write well. I come prepared, but I’m able to shift course immediately. I’m also able to work 8 hours with few breaks.

I know plenty of teachers who have left the profession in the past 3-4 years. All have gone on to higher pay and less stress. Trust me when I say teachers aren’t thinking that they are trapped in the classroom.

No, they’re not trapped. But the vast majority wouldn’t be able to get the same pay and benefits in another field.

I see at least 3 different posters whose experience states otherwise.

I’m the PP. I know my worth and I’m able to articulate it. The nice thing about teaching is that it requires continuing education. I now have two advanced degrees and a ton of proven success managing data and people.

Don’t bother telling teachers that we won’t find a better deal elsewhere. We have former coworkers who have already done it. Instead of talking down to teachers, perhaps it’s time to respect us for what we provide. A good teacher is worth far more than society thinks, in pay but also in respect.

A masters in education isn’t a meaningful “advanced degree” outside of teaching. But go ahead and figure that out for yourself.

Don’t underestimate the long-term impact your unions had on the reputation of teachers by trying to keep schools closed.

Who said the masters degrees are in education? A teacher has a lot of flexibility in WHAT they study after their initial certification. I’m currently taking courses in a new language. And even if they were, think about the people in your profession who did not initially major in your field. A lot of professions simply care that you have advanced education in any form.

I am not the union. Many teachers don’t actually agree with their union’s actions. I was able and willing to teach in-person since 2020. As it stands, I did what teachers do best: I made something out of a bad situation. I had no idea what could be accomplished online, but I am very proud of my virtual classes.

You can continue to insult teachers. All you will accomplish is driving further nails into this profession. A more logical course would be to support those of us who haven’t left yet and help us rebuild. Perhaps you’re not up for that task.

You can’t rebuild before removing the rot. Maybe you’re not part of that rot, but you likely aren’t doing anything to get rid of it, either.

And that’s where your wrong. Teachers tend to think about people other than themselves, so I’m still sticking this out because I sincerely want to help our students. The situation right now within schools is BAD. We don’t have enough adults to adequately provide services for our students, so the remaining few work extra to fill in the gaps. I do that. I provide far more of my time and expertise than I get paid for. That may not be “removing the rot,” as you do aptly say, but it is filling the colossal craters caused by that rot. As a teacher, I can’t make grand-sweeping changes without taking a stand. That stand would look like me quitting. That’s what you see right now from so many others. Don’t get me wrong: I don’t fault them AT ALL for leaving and I’m actually grateful for the statement they are making. It does make my job harder, though.