HHI for Country club membership?

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Anonymous wrote:Full service CC's tend to be very expensive with golf, tennis, swim etc etc plus food minimums. Unless you really use it it's a waste of money. If a lot of your friends are members that's a good reason to join but again only if you really use it. Don't do a cost/benefit analysis (# rounds of golf etc) because the numbers will say no.

If you pay for a pool for the summer throw that cost in. You can throw gym cost in. Tennis and then Golf. 25% of your eat out budget. It makes it look a little better but certainly not cost effective. I have been a member for almost 20 years. Near our house. Love it. We use it. If you will then it is great.

In terms of HHI. I really don't see how a non-rich family could pull it off below 250k. I was 350k when we joined but was almost 20 years ago. To fit into the lifestyle and be in the same conversations I would think we are talking 400k minimum.

HHI $600+ and this mentality is why you couldn't pay me to join one. Couldn't possibly imagine being stuck in a foursome with someone making $375k, what on earth would they have to talk about?!

375 and 600 don't live in the same world. You would have lots to talk about but what you are probably not talking about is private school for multiple kids. 1 or more vacation homes. Going on multiple expensive vacations a year. The issue is not with the 600k talking to the 375k. It is the 375k feeling comfortable in the conversation.

We don’t talk about money related matters. That’s low brow.

This. We belong to one. I suspect I have friends from all ranges of HHI. Suspect because I have no clue. I don't ask because I don't care. We don't talk about money. At all. Some are social members, some are junior members and some are full golf members. We find things to talk about that aren't at all money related.

We are approaching 7 figures in HHI but that's only a number. If you're a nice person and we get along IDGAF how much you make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no HHI at which I would consider joining a country club.

Such a constructive contribution to this thread.

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I was invited to an event at congressional a while back . One of the things that struck me was how poorly dressed so many men were .It looked as though most of these men had never heard of made-to-measure . It was obvious these people had never been to a tailor , given the sheer number of baggy, drab , ill fitting suits worn by the majority. The place looked like someone in the trailer park hit the lottery and somehow rented the place for a day . Who knows ? Maybe that was the goal : Trailer park chic .

As for the clubs themselves, my opinion is pretty straightforward: I see no reason(s) to join but I wouldn't begrudge those who do .

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Anonymous wrote:How much are country club memberships? I think that is the only question that needs to be asked.

It depends on the club. One near us is $100K to join and $1500 monthly use it/lose it. $15K to get on the 7 year wait list. We are very financially comfortable and have CC member money, but DH 'doesn't need to buy friends'. I can see his point, but we get invited to go all the time with various friends. DH never goes, but I enjoy it for the both of us.

$100K lump sum plus $1500/month???? That is insanity. No, never. We are at $600-700HHI and would never in a million years consider it. I'd rather buy an investment property, or save for college, or retirement, or vacation, or donate that $100K to various non-profits. There are an infinite amount of things that I could think of as better options for that $100K than the country club. Our summer pool membership was $675. We'll stay there and pay for our poolside chicken fingers in cash. Ridiculous.

For clubs like this, very few people are coming out of pocket for the initial cost. And for those that are, that $100K doesn’t stop them from doing all of the other financial things you mentioned. That’s the difference, and why their calculus is 180 degrees different from yours. IYKYK.

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Anonymous wrote:Full service CC's tend to be very expensive with golf, tennis, swim etc etc plus food minimums. Unless you really use it it's a waste of money. If a lot of your friends are members that's a good reason to join but again only if you really use it. Don't do a cost/benefit analysis (# rounds of golf etc) because the numbers will say no.

If you pay for a pool for the summer throw that cost in. You can throw gym cost in. Tennis and then Golf. 25% of your eat out budget. It makes it look a little better but certainly not cost effective. I have been a member for almost 20 years. Near our house. Love it. We use it. If you will then it is great.

In terms of HHI. I really don't see how a non-rich family could pull it off below 250k. I was 350k when we joined but was almost 20 years ago. To fit into the lifestyle and be in the same conversations I would think we are talking 400k minimum.

HHI $600+ and this mentality is why you couldn't pay me to join one. Couldn't possibly imagine being stuck in a foursome with someone making $375k, what on earth would they have to talk about?!

375 and 600 don't live in the same world. You would have lots to talk about but what you are probably not talking about is private school for multiple kids. 1 or more vacation homes. Going on multiple expensive vacations a year. The issue is not with the 600k talking to the 375k. It is the 375k feeling comfortable in the conversation.

I've been both and am now $750K and let me tell you, there is nothing I detest more than the "conversations" that consist of people one-upping each other with their latest hotel or vacation destination and seeing who whips out the more prestigious credit card when the bill comes. These are not conversations. They are status displays for social jockeying. I prefer my friends (of any income) any day.

So I have not been in a one upping conversation. But if you got five guys together drinking each of whom makes 750 plus in their 40s and 50s the conversation is on women, sports, investments, retirement plans, vacation plans, vacation house location ideas. And not always in that order.

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Anonymous wrote:Full service CC's tend to be very expensive with golf, tennis, swim etc etc plus food minimums. Unless you really use it it's a waste of money. If a lot of your friends are members that's a good reason to join but again only if you really use it. Don't do a cost/benefit analysis (# rounds of golf etc) because the numbers will say no.

If you pay for a pool for the summer throw that cost in. You can throw gym cost in. Tennis and then Golf. 25% of your eat out budget. It makes it look a little better but certainly not cost effective. I have been a member for almost 20 years. Near our house. Love it. We use it. If you will then it is great.

In terms of HHI. I really don't see how a non-rich family could pull it off below 250k. I was 350k when we joined but was almost 20 years ago. To fit into the lifestyle and be in the same conversations I would think we are talking 400k minimum.

HHI $600+ and this mentality is why you couldn't pay me to join one. Couldn't possibly imagine being stuck in a foursome with someone making $375k, what on earth would they have to talk about?!

375 and 600 don't live in the same world. You would have lots to talk about but what you are probably not talking about is private school for multiple kids. 1 or more vacation homes. Going on multiple expensive vacations a year. The issue is not with the 600k talking to the 375k. It is the 375k feeling comfortable in the conversation.

We don’t talk about money related matters. That’s low brow.

Went to the club today. These were our discussion topics:
- reading lists for the kids and how far along they are
- extracurriculars for the kids and how we plan to fit it all in
- vacations this summer and what we recommend when doing these places (Hawaii, Japan, Paris, Germany)
- trips to see aging parents
- how we all indulged too much and are looking forward to the structure school brings.

None of it was about money, politics or religion. Taboo topics.

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Anonymous wrote:Full service CC's tend to be very expensive with golf, tennis, swim etc etc plus food minimums. Unless you really use it it's a waste of money. If a lot of your friends are members that's a good reason to join but again only if you really use it. Don't do a cost/benefit analysis (# rounds of golf etc) because the numbers will say no.

If you pay for a pool for the summer throw that cost in. You can throw gym cost in. Tennis and then Golf. 25% of your eat out budget. It makes it look a little better but certainly not cost effective. I have been a member for almost 20 years. Near our house. Love it. We use it. If you will then it is great.

In terms of HHI. I really don't see how a non-rich family could pull it off below 250k. I was 350k when we joined but was almost 20 years ago. To fit into the lifestyle and be in the same conversations I would think we are talking 400k minimum.

HHI $600+ and this mentality is why you couldn't pay me to join one. Couldn't possibly imagine being stuck in a foursome with someone making $375k, what on earth would they have to talk about?!

375 and 600 don't live in the same world. You would have lots to talk about but what you are probably not talking about is private school for multiple kids. 1 or more vacation homes. Going on multiple expensive vacations a year. The issue is not with the 600k talking to the 375k. It is the 375k feeling comfortable in the conversation.

We don’t talk about money related matters. That’s low brow.

Went to the club today. These were our discussion topics:
- reading lists for the kids and how far along they are
- extracurriculars for the kids and how we plan to fit it all in
- vacations this summer and what we recommend when doing these places (Hawaii, Japan, Paris, Germany)
- trips to see aging parents
- how we all indulged too much and are looking forward to the structure school brings.

None of it was about money, politics or religion. Taboo topics.

This is a mom, correct. Other than vacations these are not guy topics. Ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How much are country club memberships? I think that is the only question that needs to be asked.

It depends on the club. One near us is $100K to join and $1500 monthly use it/lose it. $15K to get on the 7 year wait list. We are very financially comfortable and have CC member money, but DH 'doesn't need to buy friends'. I can see his point, but we get invited to go all the time with various friends. DH never goes, but I enjoy it for the both of us.

$100K lump sum plus $1500/month???? That is insanity. No, never. We are at $600-700HHI and would never in a million years consider it. I'd rather buy an investment property, or save for college, or retirement, or vacation, or donate that $100K to various non-profits. There are an infinite amount of things that I could think of as better options for that $100K than the country club. Our summer pool membership was $675. We'll stay there and pay for our poolside chicken fingers in cash. Ridiculous.

For clubs like this, very few people are coming out of pocket for the initial cost. And for those that are, that $100K doesn’t stop them from doing all of the other financial things you mentioned. That’s the difference, and why their calculus is 180 degrees different from yours. IYKYK.

Or they play golf..hence the primary purpose of a country club. If you play 5 times a month it easily pays for itself and more

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Anonymous wrote:Full service CC's tend to be very expensive with golf, tennis, swim etc etc plus food minimums. Unless you really use it it's a waste of money. If a lot of your friends are members that's a good reason to join but again only if you really use it. Don't do a cost/benefit analysis (# rounds of golf etc) because the numbers will say no.

If you pay for a pool for the summer throw that cost in. You can throw gym cost in. Tennis and then Golf. 25% of your eat out budget. It makes it look a little better but certainly not cost effective. I have been a member for almost 20 years. Near our house. Love it. We use it. If you will then it is great.

In terms of HHI. I really don't see how a non-rich family could pull it off below 250k. I was 350k when we joined but was almost 20 years ago. To fit into the lifestyle and be in the same conversations I would think we are talking 400k minimum.

HHI $600+ and this mentality is why you couldn't pay me to join one. Couldn't possibly imagine being stuck in a foursome with someone making $375k, what on earth would they have to talk about?!

375 and 600 don't live in the same world. You would have lots to talk about but what you are probably not talking about is private school for multiple kids. 1 or more vacation homes. Going on multiple expensive vacations a year. The issue is not with the 600k talking to the 375k. It is the 375k feeling comfortable in the conversation.

We don’t talk about money related matters. That’s low brow.

Went to the club today. These were our discussion topics:
- reading lists for the kids and how far along they are
- extracurriculars for the kids and how we plan to fit it all in
- vacations this summer and what we recommend when doing these places (Hawaii, Japan, Paris, Germany)
- trips to see aging parents
- how we all indulged too much and are looking forward to the structure school brings.

None of it was about money, politics or religion. Taboo topics.

This is a mom, correct. Other than vacations these are not guy topics. Ever.

What are guy topics? What a PP said above? And what does talking about “women” mean?

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What confuses me is why private golf in the US is so expensive! My wife is English (suburban Liverpool), and every summer we go over for a few weeks. This is the course she played as a child and is fantastic! https://www.formbygolfclub.co.uk The members were somewhat shocked when their yearly fee broke 1500£ a while back! Granted, fairways aren't watered, no pool/tennis and largish membership (think about 500, not a problem though). But still, the golf is superb! I can't think of any place in the DMV i'd rather play. These yearly fees are the rule rather than the exception in the UK. Mighty pricey for visitors though.

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Anonymous wrote:Full service CC's tend to be very expensive with golf, tennis, swim etc etc plus food minimums. Unless you really use it it's a waste of money. If a lot of your friends are members that's a good reason to join but again only if you really use it. Don't do a cost/benefit analysis (# rounds of golf etc) because the numbers will say no.

If you pay for a pool for the summer throw that cost in. You can throw gym cost in. Tennis and then Golf. 25% of your eat out budget. It makes it look a little better but certainly not cost effective. I have been a member for almost 20 years. Near our house. Love it. We use it. If you will then it is great.

In terms of HHI. I really don't see how a non-rich family could pull it off below 250k. I was 350k when we joined but was almost 20 years ago. To fit into the lifestyle and be in the same conversations I would think we are talking 400k minimum.

HHI $600+ and this mentality is why you couldn't pay me to join one. Couldn't possibly imagine being stuck in a foursome with someone making $375k, what on earth would they have to talk about?!

375 and 600 don't live in the same world. You would have lots to talk about but what you are probably not talking about is private school for multiple kids. 1 or more vacation homes. Going on multiple expensive vacations a year. The issue is not with the 600k talking to the 375k. It is the 375k feeling comfortable in the conversation.

We don’t talk about money related matters. That’s low brow.

Went to the club today. These were our discussion topics:
- reading lists for the kids and how far along they are
- extracurriculars for the kids and how we plan to fit it all in
- vacations this summer and what we recommend when doing these places (Hawaii, Japan, Paris, Germany)
- trips to see aging parents
- how we all indulged too much and are looking forward to the structure school brings.

None of it was about money, politics or religion. Taboo topics.

This is a mom, correct. Other than vacations these are not guy topics. Ever.

What are guy topics? What a PP said above? And what does talking about “women” mean?

Talking mostly about wives. I leave every conversation on this very very happy with the one that I have.

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Playing golf on public courses can be very expensive. My DH and I play golf about 2x/week each - We would easily spend more money at public courses than our CC. We also play tennis a few times a month and use the pool during the summer. There is also a nice gym that we can use. For us it's a good value and where we choose to spend our money. We don't buy expensive clothing, cars,do fancy dinners out, etc... everyone has different priorities and our liesure sports are ours. We like that we can play whenever and as much as we want at a fixed rate. To answer your question- we made about $200K/yr when we joined (many years ago) and now make about $500K.

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Country club memberships, especially in this area, will rarely make financial sense. It's a lifestyle decision, pure and simple. Anybody who's a member will be the first to tell you that.

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Anonymous wrote:Playing golf on public courses can be very expensive. My DH and I play golf about 2x/week each - We would easily spend more money at public courses than our CC. We also play tennis a few times a month and use the pool during the summer. There is also a nice gym that we can use. For us it's a good value and where we choose to spend our money. We don't buy expensive clothing, cars,do fancy dinners out, etc... everyone has different priorities and our liesure sports are ours. We like that we can play whenever and as much as we want at a fixed rate. To answer your question- we made about $200K/yr when we joined (many years ago) and now make about $500K.

What club are you a member of?

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Anonymous wrote:I have always thought it would be so nice to be a member of a CC because you have a "third place" to go (outside of your home and office), to work out, play tennis, have dinner, and maybe golf (but granted we are not golfers). Over the years, our kids (or DH and I) have been invited to events at Congressional, Kenwood, Chevy Chase, Columbia, Manor, Army Navy, and Bethesda Country Club. They all seem great! (Of course, I know that there are differences among them for sure.)

Our HHI is $600+, but that is a recent development, and so it would not be prudent for us to join, as we are squirreling away money now. Also my DH is reluctant to join at CC because he does not think he would use it. We're in our early 50's and I wonder if it's too late. Still, if I joined, I am pretty sure I'd enjoy it because I like to work out, play tennis, and socialize.

Here's the point of my post (if anyone is still with me)! I was chatting with friends from college recently at a girls' weekend. They are all more successful people -- ER doctor, engineering business owner, and college professor. My friends said that their DH's would never be willing to join a country club, even though they can easily afford it. I was kind of surprised, since it seems like it would be a lot of fun to join a CC. But it seems like there are people out there who would not join, regardless of net worth or HHI.

I am not a country club personal at all. Our country club facilities are quite nice and our family uses the club often. I don’t. My 3 kids swim, play on the tennis and golf teams, etc.

We were members of the local pool and a racquet club but the country club facilities are so much better.

We have a $2m+ HHI. I don’t think I would consider joining if we had a lower income.