Dooce

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think she is saying that her body dysmorphia from her anorexia nervosa is maybe the same as the body dysmorphia of trans people, and that no one's body dysmorphia should be validated.

I support trans people and I want people to live whatever gender they prefer to be. But I also guess I'm not sure what the difference is between bad anorexia nervosa body dysmorphia and trans body dysmorphia. I know I am saying this all wrong but if anyone can explain to me I think it would help me out.

I think dooce has a lot of problems and struggles with mental illness, so I'm worried that I can kind of see the point of what she is saying.

You are not the trans supporter you like people to think you are.

That might be a little harsh, I think PP is coming from a genuine place.

The way I understand it, body dysmorphia needs to be addressed and for a trans individual, that is dressing differently, makeup, puberty blockers, hormones, etc. The dysmorphia doesn’t mean the gender identity is off.

Anorexia is in part caused by a belief that the thinner you are, the more worth you have. So with anorexia, the belief behind the dysmorphia is what you address.

It’s late and I’m not articulating this well. But there is a lot of good information out there on it.

This is so wrong, and so ugly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she is saying that her body dysmorphia from her anorexia nervosa is maybe the same as the body dysmorphia of trans people, and that no one's body dysmorphia should be validated.

I support trans people and I want people to live whatever gender they prefer to be. But I also guess I'm not sure what the difference is between bad anorexia nervosa body dysmorphia and trans body dysmorphia. I know I am saying this all wrong but if anyone can explain to me I think it would help me out.

I think dooce has a lot of problems and struggles with mental illness, so I'm worried that I can kind of see the point of what she is saying.

You are not the trans supporter you like people to think you are.

That might be a little harsh, I think PP is coming from a genuine place.

The way I understand it, body dysmorphia needs to be addressed and for a trans individual, that is dressing differently, makeup, puberty blockers, hormones, etc. The dysmorphia doesn’t mean the gender identity is off.

Anorexia is in part caused by a belief that the thinner you are, the more worth you have. So with anorexia, the belief behind the dysmorphia is what you address.

It’s late and I’m not articulating this well. But there is a lot of good information out there on it.

I think there is some confusion here. This article might be a place to start. https://www.allianceforeatingdisorders.com/gender-dysphoria-body-dysmorphia/

You are conflating body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria. Trans persons have gender dysphoria. They are (accurately) perceiving a difference between their body and their gender identity. It is often appropriate, and helpful, to address the dysphoria by changing the body/appearance to match the gender identity.

Body dysmorphia is different. It is perceiving flaws/disfigurement that don't exist. Trying to fix this perception by changing the body doesn't help (think about Michael Jackson and his surgeries, and people with anorexia who believe that they are fat).

Transgender people may also have body dysmorphia, but not always. Just being a trans person doesn't automatically mean you have body dysphoria.

Finally, eating disorders are classified as mental illness. Being a trans person is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she is saying that her body dysmorphia from her anorexia nervosa is maybe the same as the body dysmorphia of trans people, and that no one's body dysmorphia should be validated.

I support trans people and I want people to live whatever gender they prefer to be. But I also guess I'm not sure what the difference is between bad anorexia nervosa body dysmorphia and trans body dysmorphia. I know I am saying this all wrong but if anyone can explain to me I think it would help me out.

I think dooce has a lot of problems and struggles with mental illness, so I'm worried that I can kind of see the point of what she is saying.

You are not the trans supporter you like people to think you are.

That might be a little harsh, I think PP is coming from a genuine place.

The way I understand it, body dysmorphia needs to be addressed and for a trans individual, that is dressing differently, makeup, puberty blockers, hormones, etc. The dysmorphia doesn’t mean the gender identity is off.

Anorexia is in part caused by a belief that the thinner you are, the more worth you have. So with anorexia, the belief behind the dysmorphia is what you address.

It’s late and I’m not articulating this well. But there is a lot of good information out there on it.

I think there is some confusion here. This article might be a place to start. https://www.allianceforeatingdisorders.com/gender-dysphoria-body-dysmorphia/

You are conflating body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria. Trans persons have gender dysphoria. They are (accurately) perceiving a difference between their body and their gender identity. It is often appropriate, and helpful, to address the dysphoria by changing the body/appearance to match the gender identity.

Body dysmorphia is different. It is perceiving flaws/disfigurement that don't exist. Trying to fix this perception by changing the body doesn't help (think about Michael Jackson and his surgeries, and people with anorexia who believe that they are fat).

Transgender people may also have body dysmorphia, but not always. Just being a trans person doesn't automatically mean you have body dysphoria.

Finally, eating disorders are classified as mental illness. Being a trans person is not.

NP. Agree. Also, having body dysphoria doesn't mean your trans.... except that a lot of middle school girls seem to think it does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she is saying that her body dysmorphia from her anorexia nervosa is maybe the same as the body dysmorphia of trans people, and that no one's body dysmorphia should be validated.

I support trans people and I want people to live whatever gender they prefer to be. But I also guess I'm not sure what the difference is between bad anorexia nervosa body dysmorphia and trans body dysmorphia. I know I am saying this all wrong but if anyone can explain to me I think it would help me out.

I think dooce has a lot of problems and struggles with mental illness, so I'm worried that I can kind of see the point of what she is saying.

You are not the trans supporter you like people to think you are.

That might be a little harsh, I think PP is coming from a genuine place.

The way I understand it, body dysmorphia needs to be addressed and for a trans individual, that is dressing differently, makeup, puberty blockers, hormones, etc. The dysmorphia doesn’t mean the gender identity is off.

Anorexia is in part caused by a belief that the thinner you are, the more worth you have. So with anorexia, the belief behind the dysmorphia is what you address.

It’s late and I’m not articulating this well. But there is a lot of good information out there on it.

I think there is some confusion here. This article might be a place to start. https://www.allianceforeatingdisorders.com/gender-dysphoria-body-dysmorphia/

You are conflating body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria. Trans persons have gender dysphoria. They are (accurately) perceiving a difference between their body and their gender identity. It is often appropriate, and helpful, to address the dysphoria by changing the body/appearance to match the gender identity.

Body dysmorphia is different. It is perceiving flaws/disfigurement that don't exist. Trying to fix this perception by changing the body doesn't help (think about Michael Jackson and his surgeries, and people with anorexia who believe that they are fat).

Transgender people may also have body dysmorphia, but not always. Just being a trans person doesn't automatically mean you have body dysphoria.

Finally, eating disorders are classified as mental illness. Being a trans person is not.

Thank you! You' are right I was conflating the two.

[Anonymous]

thank you from me also, the PP who PP was trying to help -- this truly helps me understand the situation better and it makes sense that there is a difference between people who do not feel comfortable in their bodies because of real physical characteristics that are there and people with anorexia who perceive flaws in their bodies which are not really there and need to be counseled through those preceived flaws.

I had understood Dooce to be saying that, basically, the two were the same, and that people shouldn't be "helping" trans people achieve their body desires since that would basically like people agreeing with her that it would be good if you could see all her ribs through her skin etc. But I see that it's two separate issues and I am grateful that you explained it to me because I didn't get it. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I loved Dooce in her hey-day. She was funny and irreverent and brilliant at handling a lot of the hate that came her way. She built an internet empire. She was messy in the best way, and was so relatable.

But after things fell apart with Jon, her posts made less and less sense. She started vague-blogging with clear messages to certain people, but it made it all confusing. I stopped reading her rambling blog posts that were no longer funny. But I followed her on IG for awhile. But even that became unbearable. She looked rail thin, was clearly suffering from SOMETHING but would deny deny deny. It just got...sad? And like the attention was not helping. She needed space and quiet perhaps to heal. I finally had to unfollow her because I could only take so many rambling posts with endless pictures of her looking like a skeleton while denying she had an eating disorder.

2008 Dooce was amazing. But she just seems to have lost her way so intensely. It makes me sad. I hope her kids are ok.

I think she's probably been mentally ill all along. And if the addiction stuff is true, then she was really good at hiding the train wreck that was going on.

Her early writing, particularly about what she was calling her then post partum depression, was very good and I suspect she helped a lot of people. Then she seemed better and I think a lot of us wanted to believe that's what it mostly was....she had a depression history and the biology of pregnancy and birth kicked her a@* through no fault of her own and a certain meds regime made her better. Of course it was not that simple and her issues are deeply complicated but in the early days, when still married (I remember her kitchen reno) she was a lot of fun to read. And she had a sense of humor about herself and a lot of gratitude. She was relatable. U Hope she stays in her treatment. Sending her the best wishes. Her story is a picture of what chronic mental illness is.

[Anonymous]

I meant to say *I hope she stays in her treatment

[Anonymous]

https://www.tmz.com/2023/05/10/heather-armstrong-queen-mommy-bloggers-dead-dies-suicide-dooce/

I gasped when I saw this. I followed her closely in her blogging heyday and checked up on her from time to time in the years since. I find this indescribably sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.tmz.com/2023/05/10/heather-armstrong-queen-mommy-bloggers-dead-dies-suicide-dooce/

I gasped when I saw this. I followed her closely in her blogging heyday and checked up on her from time to time in the years since. I find this indescribably sad.

There’s already a thread.