Breeder dogs are the goal, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I definitely judge people who buy their pets. You don't actually "love" dogs or cats if you buy and order them.

My sister bought a cat from a breeder. It's had frequent accidents, plays very aggressively, and is an all around tough cat. Your designer pets can have loads of issues.

My DSH shelter cat has never had an accident, doesn't play aggressively, and is a cuddly sweetheart. He's just the best.

I have bought dogs from breeders, and I love them with all my heart. My family had two Scottish terriers when I was growing up, and I'm drawn to the terrier personality. They're quirky, smart, independent. All dogs are wonderful! I just happen to love Scottish terriers, and I've had three who were amazing dogs and lived happy, healthy lives. (And yes, I did my research and found breeders who bred healthy, well-socialized dogs.)

You're making a generalization based on your sister's cat and your own experience. I'm sure you have the best cat ever, but I'm also sure that there are cats from shelters who have accidents, may be a little aggressive, and aren't always that cuddly. At the same time, I bet they also have owners who love them and think they're the best.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We rescued a miniature pincher from a large rescue in northern MD that turned out to be extremely aggressive to men and boys. He tried to bite my husband and would snap at 3 sons if they tried to get near me. We suspect the poor guy lived with a woman and a man who abused her. He literally would sit behind me on the couch, around the back of my neck. After several weeks of not being able to modify his behavior, we contacted the rescue, per our contract, and they told us to bring him back, which we sadly did. It was heartbreaking. We saw later, though, that the poor pup was back on the rescue's website being advertised as a dog fit for a family with children. This made me question the rescue's good reputation because I have no doubt that poor dog would bite a boy or young man who came between him and a female in the family.

Last year, we adopted an elderly (15 or 16 year old) shih tzu from a friend of a friend. She'd taken the little guy after one of her elderly patients died and left him, but she was being transferred across the country and couldn't take him. He's been such a little love and nice addition to our family. We just hope he feels loved and comfort in his final days.

I'd have a hard time adopting from another rescue unless the dog had been fostered in a family similar to mine.

+1 we fostered a Great Pyrenees/brittany spaniel. he was a resource guarder and extremely protective of me. he went after and bit my teenage daughter (she has a scar on her leg and it was 6 months ago) as she hugged me and the rescue told us to "keep introducing him to new situations and people." um, what? He was returned to the rescue, I believe is being fostered by someone else, and as of today is listed as "engaging in some guarding behaviors, as is typical of Great Pyrenees." That's it.

Yeah, it’s like a game of pass the hot potato, only with animals. The other thing that gets me is when a mixed breed with clear pit background is listed as the secondary breed. C’mon! It’s one thing to say pit plus collie, but don’t list it as a Collie!

Unless you do the dna test how can you say that you are correct? What if it was 27 percent pit and 35 percent Collie and the rest supermut. You are saying it is still pit-collie?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m so confused by people who are anti-breeder. In theory, right, you want to reduce the unwanted dog supply through spay/neuter? Half the country is already there right?

So if you succeed in doing that, where will people get dogs? It seems like people range from:

All dogs from breeders are bad
to
Only reputable breeders are good, and they won’t call you back or if they do you should wait at least a year

So if the rescue groups make progress with the spay/neuter, and the supply of “rescue” dogs dips permanently below the demand for dogs, what’s the plan?

This will never be a problem. Sigh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We rescued a miniature pincher from a large rescue in northern MD that turned out to be extremely aggressive to men and boys. He tried to bite my husband and would snap at 3 sons if they tried to get near me. We suspect the poor guy lived with a woman and a man who abused her. He literally would sit behind me on the couch, around the back of my neck. After several weeks of not being able to modify his behavior, we contacted the rescue, per our contract, and they told us to bring him back, which we sadly did. It was heartbreaking. We saw later, though, that the poor pup was back on the rescue's website being advertised as a dog fit for a family with children. This made me question the rescue's good reputation because I have no doubt that poor dog would bite a boy or young man who came between him and a female in the family.

Last year, we adopted an elderly (15 or 16 year old) shih tzu from a friend of a friend. She'd taken the little guy after one of her elderly patients died and left him, but she was being transferred across the country and couldn't take him. He's been such a little love and nice addition to our family. We just hope he feels loved and comfort in his final days.

I'd have a hard time adopting from another rescue unless the dog had been fostered in a family similar to mine.

+1 we fostered a Great Pyrenees/brittany spaniel. he was a resource guarder and extremely protective of me. he went after and bit my teenage daughter (she has a scar on her leg and it was 6 months ago) as she hugged me and the rescue told us to "keep introducing him to new situations and people." um, what? He was returned to the rescue, I believe is being fostered by someone else, and as of today is listed as "engaging in some guarding behaviors, as is typical of Great Pyrenees." That's it.

Yeah, it’s like a game of pass the hot potato, only with animals. The other thing that gets me is when a mixed breed with clear pit background is listed as the secondary breed. C’mon! It’s one thing to say pit plus collie, but don’t list it as a Collie!

Unless you do the dna test how can you say that you are correct? What if it was 27 percent pit and 35 percent Collie and the rest supermut. You are saying it is still pit-collie?

Because pit mixes always look like pit mixes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most breeds in the US are oberbred and live short lives plagued by illnesses. I’ve yet to meet someone with a boxer, German shepherd, lab, Golden retriever, pug or a bulldog who has lived past age 10! My friend’s doodle died at age 9 from sudden heart failure. It was unexpected and traumatic.
Meanwhile my mom’s medium-sized mutt is nearing 16 and still going strong!
We have a pure bred lesser known breed, and she is 14 (also medium size) and has never had any major medical issues.

My Lab lived to be almost 16.
My BF's Golden Retriever lived to age 15.
My neighbor's German Shepherd is 12.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We rescued a miniature pincher from a large rescue in northern MD that turned out to be extremely aggressive to men and boys. He tried to bite my husband and would snap at 3 sons if they tried to get near me. We suspect the poor guy lived with a woman and a man who abused her. He literally would sit behind me on the couch, around the back of my neck. After several weeks of not being able to modify his behavior, we contacted the rescue, per our contract, and they told us to bring him back, which we sadly did. It was heartbreaking. We saw later, though, that the poor pup was back on the rescue's website being advertised as a dog fit for a family with children. This made me question the rescue's good reputation because I have no doubt that poor dog would bite a boy or young man who came between him and a female in the family.

Last year, we adopted an elderly (15 or 16 year old) shih tzu from a friend of a friend. She'd taken the little guy after one of her elderly patients died and left him, but she was being transferred across the country and couldn't take him. He's been such a little love and nice addition to our family. We just hope he feels loved and comfort in his final days.

I'd have a hard time adopting from another rescue unless the dog had been fostered in a family similar to mine.

+1 we fostered a Great Pyrenees/brittany spaniel. he was a resource guarder and extremely protective of me. he went after and bit my teenage daughter (she has a scar on her leg and it was 6 months ago) as she hugged me and the rescue told us to "keep introducing him to new situations and people." um, what? He was returned to the rescue, I believe is being fostered by someone else, and as of today is listed as "engaging in some guarding behaviors, as is typical of Great Pyrenees." That's it.

Yeah, it’s like a game of pass the hot potato, only with animals. The other thing that gets me is when a mixed breed with clear pit background is listed as the secondary breed. C’mon! It’s one thing to say pit plus collie, but don’t list it as a Collie!

Unless you do the dna test how can you say that you are correct? What if it was 27 percent pit and 35 percent Collie and the rest supermut. You are saying it is still pit-collie?

Because pit mixes always look like pit mixes.

You're going to euthanize thousands of dogs based on what they look like?

You're a sadist, but let's move past that to what features you're going to use for this massive culling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We rescued a miniature pincher from a large rescue in northern MD that turned out to be extremely aggressive to men and boys. He tried to bite my husband and would snap at 3 sons if they tried to get near me. We suspect the poor guy lived with a woman and a man who abused her. He literally would sit behind me on the couch, around the back of my neck. After several weeks of not being able to modify his behavior, we contacted the rescue, per our contract, and they told us to bring him back, which we sadly did. It was heartbreaking. We saw later, though, that the poor pup was back on the rescue's website being advertised as a dog fit for a family with children. This made me question the rescue's good reputation because I have no doubt that poor dog would bite a boy or young man who came between him and a female in the family.

Last year, we adopted an elderly (15 or 16 year old) shih tzu from a friend of a friend. She'd taken the little guy after one of her elderly patients died and left him, but she was being transferred across the country and couldn't take him. He's been such a little love and nice addition to our family. We just hope he feels loved and comfort in his final days.

I'd have a hard time adopting from another rescue unless the dog had been fostered in a family similar to mine.

+1 we fostered a Great Pyrenees/brittany spaniel. he was a resource guarder and extremely protective of me. he went after and bit my teenage daughter (she has a scar on her leg and it was 6 months ago) as she hugged me and the rescue told us to "keep introducing him to new situations and people." um, what? He was returned to the rescue, I believe is being fostered by someone else, and as of today is listed as "engaging in some guarding behaviors, as is typical of Great Pyrenees." That's it.

Yeah, it’s like a game of pass the hot potato, only with animals. The other thing that gets me is when a mixed breed with clear pit background is listed as the secondary breed. C’mon! It’s one thing to say pit plus collie, but don’t list it as a Collie!

Unless you do the dna test how can you say that you are correct? What if it was 27 percent pit and 35 percent Collie and the rest supermut. You are saying it is still pit-collie?

Because pit mixes always look like pit mixes.

+1, also if it's around 30% pit and around 30% collie but the insist on calling it a collie, we all know what you are doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We rescued a miniature pincher from a large rescue in northern MD that turned out to be extremely aggressive to men and boys. He tried to bite my husband and would snap at 3 sons if they tried to get near me. We suspect the poor guy lived with a woman and a man who abused her. He literally would sit behind me on the couch, around the back of my neck. After several weeks of not being able to modify his behavior, we contacted the rescue, per our contract, and they told us to bring him back, which we sadly did. It was heartbreaking. We saw later, though, that the poor pup was back on the rescue's website being advertised as a dog fit for a family with children. This made me question the rescue's good reputation because I have no doubt that poor dog would bite a boy or young man who came between him and a female in the family.

Last year, we adopted an elderly (15 or 16 year old) shih tzu from a friend of a friend. She'd taken the little guy after one of her elderly patients died and left him, but she was being transferred across the country and couldn't take him. He's been such a little love and nice addition to our family. We just hope he feels loved and comfort in his final days.

I'd have a hard time adopting from another rescue unless the dog had been fostered in a family similar to mine.

+1 we fostered a Great Pyrenees/brittany spaniel. he was a resource guarder and extremely protective of me. he went after and bit my teenage daughter (she has a scar on her leg and it was 6 months ago) as she hugged me and the rescue told us to "keep introducing him to new situations and people." um, what? He was returned to the rescue, I believe is being fostered by someone else, and as of today is listed as "engaging in some guarding behaviors, as is typical of Great Pyrenees." That's it.

Yeah, it’s like a game of pass the hot potato, only with animals. The other thing that gets me is when a mixed breed with clear pit background is listed as the secondary breed. C’mon! It’s one thing to say pit plus collie, but don’t list it as a Collie!

Unless you do the dna test how can you say that you are correct? What if it was 27 percent pit and 35 percent Collie and the rest supermut. You are saying it is still pit-collie?

Because pit mixes always look like pit mixes.

You're going to euthanize thousands of dogs based on what they look like?

You're a sadist, but let's move past that to what features you're going to use for this massive culling.

No one said euthanize, good Lord! But the whole thing with dog breeds is they have different temperaments. Trying to hide that dog has substantial pit in him is sketchy at best. Especially if you are like "he's a collie!" A breed known for being calm and kid-friendly.

I am a "rescues only" pet owner but I get really frustrated when shelters are dishonest about dogs, whether claiming the are socialized or family friendly when they are not, or trying to hide the presence of more aggressive breeds in their mix. Adoption only works if adoptive families know what they are getting into, and are ready for it. You increase the likelihood of dogs coming back to the shelter, getting rehomed, or getting abandoned when you are dishonest.

[Anonymous]

Breeds have different tendencies, but there are no guarantees.

There is no way to know which elements of a mutt's genetic makeup are going to predominate. It doesn't go by percentages.

So how do you pick which ones are a threat?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Breeds have different tendencies, but there are no guarantees.

There is no way to know which elements of a mutt's genetic makeup are going to predominate. It doesn't go by percentages.

So how do you pick which ones are a threat?

Exactly, my mutt is only 13% beagle but if you heard her bark you'd think it was 300%.