Breeder dogs are the goal, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really wish the southern states would legislate this problem away or even incentivize it.
If we all donated money so that gets in the south could pay you $50 cash on the barrel for slaying/neutering your pet, how much of an impact would that make? $100? $1000?
What about requiring all dogs to be chipped, and if your dog is found wandering around as a stray, you get a fine of $100? $200? It’s just ridiculous that people who are responsible pet owners are guilted into taking dogs where the problem is created by a set of irresponsible owners. Why can’t we just carrot and stick people into being more responsible?

Giving someone $50 to spay or neuter their pet is probably not going to work. Even low cost sterilization is a few hundred for a small dog (last dog I spayed was a small shih tzu and at a private clinic it cost me $750). I think most irresponsible pet owners who aren’t fixing their pets are doing it is because they don’t have the money to do so or think they will breed the animal in the future. The reality is the states should be stricter about licensing animals. The state should require heavy yearly licensing fees on unaltered pets to deter these owners but there’s probably not enough money to ensure compliance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if you achieved 100% spay/neuter in the pet population you would have full shelters because people abandon or give up their dogs all the time. It's not limited to "bully breeds" or greyhounds, either.

I think a situation where you have to really search or wait for a breeder puppy is healthy: if you work for it, maybe you're less likely to dump the dog in a year.

It is. 95-99% of the shelter dogs in my area are pit bulls. It’s time to re-normalize buying dogs from reputable breeders when shelters clearly have some weird obsession with foisting pit bulls on the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really wish the southern states would legislate this problem away or even incentivize it.
If we all donated money so that gets in the south could pay you $50 cash on the barrel for slaying/neutering your pet, how much of an impact would that make? $100? $1000?
What about requiring all dogs to be chipped, and if your dog is found wandering around as a stray, you get a fine of $100? $200? It’s just ridiculous that people who are responsible pet owners are guilted into taking dogs where the problem is created by a set of irresponsible owners. Why can’t we just carrot and stick people into being more responsible?

Giving someone $50 to spay or neuter their pet is probably not going to work. Even low cost sterilization is a few hundred for a small dog (last dog I spayed was a small shih tzu and at a private clinic it cost me $750). I think most irresponsible pet owners who aren’t fixing their pets are doing it is because they don’t have the money to do so or think they will breed the animal in the future. The reality is the states should be stricter about licensing animals. The state should require heavy yearly licensing fees on unaltered pets to deter these owners but there’s probably not enough money to ensure compliance.

It’s really just a pit bull problem at this point. About 80% of non-pit bull dogs are spayed/neutered; only about 20% of pit bulls are spayed and neutered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you achieved 100% spay/neuter in the pet population you would have full shelters because people abandon or give up their dogs all the time. It's not limited to "bully breeds" or greyhounds, either.

I think a situation where you have to really search or wait for a breeder puppy is healthy: if you work for it, maybe you're less likely to dump the dog in a year.

It is. 95-99% of the shelter dogs in my area are pit bulls. It’s time to re-normalize buying dogs from reputable breeders when shelters clearly have some weird obsession with foisting pit bulls on the world.

Yep, we're looking for a dog and all of our local spots have pits. After having been attacked by one I won't get them. They're not the type of dog we want for our family and I can't trust them. So, for us, there's nothing wrong with going to a breeder. I agree that it's completely fine to go to a reputable breeder.

[Anonymous]

The issue is that truly reputable breeders and few and far between. To be reputable, you’re health testing your dogs and not breeding any dogs with known issues (like hip issues for labs). You’re concerned about the health of the future line. You’re probably only breeding your females once or twice a year. You’re keeping the puppies for closer to 12 weeks and socializing them wrt people, strangers, other dogs, noises, etc. To make a profit, they have to charge more than most people are willing to pay. It’s more like an expensive hobby than a job.

The problem is, there are not enough of these types of breeders ^ to meet the demand for dogs. So most people selling pups are either backyard breeders or puppy mills. They’re breed8ng dogs Willy nilly and you end up with many dogs with health problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that truly reputable breeders and few and far between. To be reputable, you’re health testing your dogs and not breeding any dogs with known issues (like hip issues for labs). You’re concerned about the health of the future line. You’re probably only breeding your females once or twice a year. You’re keeping the puppies for closer to 12 weeks and socializing them wrt people, strangers, other dogs, noises, etc. To make a profit, they have to charge more than most people are willing to pay. It’s more like an expensive hobby than a job.

The problem is, there are not enough of these types of breeders ^ to meet the demand for dogs. So most people selling pups are either backyard breeders or puppy mills. They’re breed8ng dogs Willy nilly and you end up with many dogs with health problems.

+1

Plus temperament and behavior problems. This is especially prevalent among golden doodle breeders who can’t guarantee what % of traits the puppy will inherit from the golden retriever vs. the poodle. They say they can but they can’t. That’s a lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that truly reputable breeders and few and far between. To be reputable, you’re health testing your dogs and not breeding any dogs with known issues (like hip issues for labs). You’re concerned about the health of the future line. You’re probably only breeding your females once or twice a year. You’re keeping the puppies for closer to 12 weeks and socializing them wrt people, strangers, other dogs, noises, etc. To make a profit, they have to charge more than most people are willing to pay. It’s more like an expensive hobby than a job.

The problem is, there are not enough of these types of breeders ^ to meet the demand for dogs. So most people selling pups are either backyard breeders or puppy mills. They’re breed8ng dogs Willy nilly and you end up with many dogs with health problems.

and the amish mills have gotten smart enough to have people pretend to be the breeders complete with homes available to visit

[Anonymous]

Sure. But the alternative is pit bulls, which I won’t bring into my home. I trust myself to assess ethical breeders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m so confused by people who are anti-breeder. In theory, right, you want to reduce the unwanted dog supply through spay/neuter? Half the country is already there right?

So if you succeed in doing that, where will people get dogs? It seems like people range from:

All dogs from breeders are bad
to
Only reputable breeders are good, and they won’t call you back or if they do you should wait at least a year

So if the rescue groups make progress with the spay/neuter, and the supply of “rescue” dogs dips permanently below the demand for dogs, what’s the plan?

Humans have ruined dogs by overbreeding certain traits that are not beneficial for dogs. That's why mutts are better

https://www.dogingtonpost.com/how-100-years-of-breeding-ruined-ten-popular-dogs/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you achieved 100% spay/neuter in the pet population you would have full shelters because people abandon or give up their dogs all the time. It's not limited to "bully breeds" or greyhounds, either.

I think a situation where you have to really search or wait for a breeder puppy is healthy: if you work for it, maybe you're less likely to dump the dog in a year.

It is. 95-99% of the shelter dogs in my area are pit bulls. It’s time to re-normalize buying dogs from reputable breeders when shelters clearly have some weird obsession with foisting pit bulls on the world.

Yep, we're looking for a dog and all of our local spots have pits. After having been attacked by one I won't get them. They're not the type of dog we want for our family and I can't trust them. So, for us, there's nothing wrong with going to a breeder. I agree that it's completely fine to go to a reputable breeder.

so for you it’s either pitbull or breeder? This is the type of ignorance I find astounding. Do some research on rescue groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you achieved 100% spay/neuter in the pet population you would have full shelters because people abandon or give up their dogs all the time. It's not limited to "bully breeds" or greyhounds, either.

I think a situation where you have to really search or wait for a breeder puppy is healthy: if you work for it, maybe you're less likely to dump the dog in a year.

It is. 95-99% of the shelter dogs in my area are pit bulls. It’s time to re-normalize buying dogs from reputable breeders when shelters clearly have some weird obsession with foisting pit bulls on the world.

Yep, we're looking for a dog and all of our local spots have pits. After having been attacked by one I won't get them. They're not the type of dog we want for our family and I can't trust them. So, for us, there's nothing wrong with going to a breeder. I agree that it's completely fine to go to a reputable breeder.

so for you it’s either pitbull or breeder? This is the type of ignorance I find astounding. Do some research on rescue groups.

Wants to convince people not to use breeders, insults the intelligence of the very people she’s trying to convince.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you achieved 100% spay/neuter in the pet population you would have full shelters because people abandon or give up their dogs all the time. It's not limited to "bully breeds" or greyhounds, either.

I think a situation where you have to really search or wait for a breeder puppy is healthy: if you work for it, maybe you're less likely to dump the dog in a year.

It is. 95-99% of the shelter dogs in my area are pit bulls. It’s time to re-normalize buying dogs from reputable breeders when shelters clearly have some weird obsession with foisting pit bulls on the world.

Yep, we're looking for a dog and all of our local spots have pits. After having been attacked by one I won't get them. They're not the type of dog we want for our family and I can't trust them. So, for us, there's nothing wrong with going to a breeder. I agree that it's completely fine to go to a reputable breeder.

so for you it’s either pitbull or breeder? This is the type of ignorance I find astounding. Do some research on rescue groups.

I researched rescues in the DC area and reached out to several but after a long effort got a mix from a breeder.

The rescues either didn't respond or the conditions were roo burdensome - very long waits, home checks, nonrefundable deposits.

The only dogs available quickly were pit mixes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you achieved 100% spay/neuter in the pet population you would have full shelters because people abandon or give up their dogs all the time. It's not limited to "bully breeds" or greyhounds, either.

I think a situation where you have to really search or wait for a breeder puppy is healthy: if you work for it, maybe you're less likely to dump the dog in a year.

It is. 95-99% of the shelter dogs in my area are pit bulls. It’s time to re-normalize buying dogs from reputable breeders when shelters clearly have some weird obsession with foisting pit bulls on the world.

Yep, we're looking for a dog and all of our local spots have pits. After having been attacked by one I won't get them. They're not the type of dog we want for our family and I can't trust them. So, for us, there's nothing wrong with going to a breeder. I agree that it's completely fine to go to a reputable breeder.

so for you it’s either pitbull or breeder? This is the type of ignorance I find astounding. Do some research on rescue groups.

I researched rescues in the DC area and reached out to several but after a long effort got a mix from a breeder.
Which rescue groups in this area require a non refundable deposit? We’ve used 2 different ones and neither did this.
The rescues either didn't respond or the conditions were roo burdensome - very long waits, home checks, nonrefundable deposits.

The only dogs available quickly were pit mixes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you achieved 100% spay/neuter in the pet population you would have full shelters because people abandon or give up their dogs all the time. It's not limited to "bully breeds" or greyhounds, either.

I think a situation where you have to really search or wait for a breeder puppy is healthy: if you work for it, maybe you're less likely to dump the dog in a year.

It is. 95-99% of the shelter dogs in my area are pit bulls. It’s time to re-normalize buying dogs from reputable breeders when shelters clearly have some weird obsession with foisting pit bulls on the world.

Yep, we're looking for a dog and all of our local spots have pits. After having been attacked by one I won't get them. They're not the type of dog we want for our family and I can't trust them. So, for us, there's nothing wrong with going to a breeder. I agree that it's completely fine to go to a reputable breeder.

so for you it’s either pitbull or breeder? This is the type of ignorance I find astounding. Do some research on rescue groups.

I researched rescues in the DC area and reached out to several but after a long effort got a mix from a breeder.

The rescues either didn't respond or the conditions were roo burdensome - very long waits, home checks, nonrefundable deposits.

The only dogs available quickly were pit mixes.

which rescue groups in this area require a deposit that’s non refundable? I’ve used two and have a friend who fosters for another one and none of them do this…

[Anonymous]

How is a home check burdensome?