The Atlantic on SF: is DC too a failed city or about to be one?

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True, but you know what happened when boy cried wolf too many times…

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Anonymous wrote:For a failed city, it pretty impossible to buy a house there. When do all these people fleeing actually flee?

When they have kids. There are very few kids in SF.

When does that reflected in real estate prices? For some wacky reason all of these places that people are fleeing seem to have incredible demand

SFH prices are high because they are a preferred housing type everywhere in the US and they are rare in SF and the quantity is decreasing.

Condo prices in SF haven’t increased since 2017.

source? Rent prices, including condos, is insane in a lot of CA. My parents own a tiny condo in a somewhat industrial area of SoCal. I was looking at renting it out at some point.


A 2br apt in that area will go for over $2300.
3 br condo will go for over $3000.

And these are not newly built, nice condos/apts.

That's less than DC

well yes, because my parents live in a no-name suburb, not the city of SF.

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Anonymous wrote:For a failed city, it pretty impossible to buy a house there. When do all these people fleeing actually flee?

When they have kids. There are very few kids in SF.

When does that reflected in real estate prices? For some wacky reason all of these places that people are fleeing seem to have incredible demand

SFH prices are high because they are a preferred housing type everywhere in the US and they are rare in SF and the quantity is decreasing.

Condo prices in SF haven’t increased since 2017.

source? Rent prices, including condos, is insane in a lot of CA. My parents own a tiny condo in a somewhat industrial area of SoCal. I was looking at renting it out at some point.


A 2br apt in that area will go for over $2300.
3 br condo will go for over $3000.

And these are not newly built, nice condos/apts.

You could just use Google or is that too difficult?

https://wolfstreet.com/2021/07/10/condos-v-houses-san-francisco-house-prices-do-holy-moly-spike-condo-prices-flat-for-3-years/

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Anonymous wrote:A big issue is SFPD. They stopped arresting for petty crime even before Chesa was elected. This is a theme throughout many cities in the US - the police work slowdown has been real, they stop arresting (except when there’s a gun, a body, or a protest), and that ends up leading to civilians feeling helpless.

A prediction: nothing will change with Chesa gone. SFPD is still pissed off at the Mayor, the council, and the citizens who ask for respect of their rights. How do you reign in a rogue police force?

+1. Police everywhere have pulled back from doing their jobs bc they don't like being criticized. I'm not sure how to fix it.

I think the solution is going to be setting different police forces. If the ones we have with their huge budgets and absurd pensions won’t work because they want all that and to never hear a single word of criticism, we need an entirely new police force.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The petty crime was frustrating, but it wasn’t what lit the city up for revolution. The housing crush is miserable, but it’s been that way for more than a decade now. The spark that lit this all on fire was the school board. And the population ready to rage was San Francisco’s parents.

The city’s schools were shut for most of the 2020–21 academic year—longer than schools in most other cities, and much longer than San Francisco’s private schools. In the middle of the pandemic, with no real reopening plan in sight, school-board meetings became major events, with audiences on Zoom of more than 1,000. The board didn’t have unilateral power to reopen schools even if it wanted to—that depended on negotiations between the district, the city, and the teachers’ union—but many parents were appalled to find that the board members didn’t even seem to want to talk much about getting kids back into classrooms. They didn’t want to talk about learning loss or issues with attendance and functionality. It seemed they couldn’t be bothered with topics like ventilation. Instead they wanted to talk about white supremacy.

Progressives are spoiled loons. Real average people need kids in school and the ability to safely walk down the street. I don’t understand what has happened to common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:A big issue is SFPD. They stopped arresting for petty crime even before Chesa was elected. This is a theme throughout many cities in the US - the police work slowdown has been real, they stop arresting (except when there’s a gun, a body, or a protest), and that ends up leading to civilians feeling helpless.

A prediction: nothing will change with Chesa gone. SFPD is still pissed off at the Mayor, the council, and the citizens who ask for respect of their rights. How do you reign in a rogue police force?

+1. Police everywhere have pulled back from doing their jobs bc they don't like being criticized. I'm not sure how to fix it.

I think some more sanctimonious chanting of defund the police would help. Calling them racist is a terrific morale booster, too. I’m sure everyone will be clamoring to be a police officer momentarily.

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+1. Police everywhere have pulled back from doing their jobs bc they don't like being criticized. I'm not sure how to fix it.


I think some more sanctimonious chanting of defund the police would help. Calling them racist is a terrific morale booster, too. I’m sure everyone will be clamoring to be a police officer momentarily.

The way to fix it---is---like most intractable issues in the US---going to need people to agree to compromise. What was going to happen to crime and lack of policing was completely predictable based upon the enormous vilification of police officers in 2020. Everyone posting about how that poor teacher at JR shouldn't have to endure epithets and abuse from students should stop and consider what the average police officer encounters day in/day out and maybe not make gross generalizations demonizing the people we depend upon to keep order. At the same time, police unions need to be a lot quicker to toss out bad apples.

You know, actually have some nuance and compromise in public policy discussions? Neither the progressive left nor the radical right have any talent or inclination to engage in that way and it is harming us all.

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Anonymous wrote:A big issue is SFPD. They stopped arresting for petty crime even before Chesa was elected. This is a theme throughout many cities in the US - the police work slowdown has been real, they stop arresting (except when there’s a gun, a body, or a protest), and that ends up leading to civilians feeling helpless.

A prediction: nothing will change with Chesa gone. SFPD is still pissed off at the Mayor, the council, and the citizens who ask for respect of their rights. How do you reign in a rogue police force?

+1. Police everywhere have pulled back from doing their jobs bc they don't like being criticized. I'm not sure how to fix it.

I think the solution is going to be setting different police forces. If the ones we have with their huge budgets and absurd pensions won’t work because they want all that and to never hear a single word of criticism, we need an entirely new police force.

Just what DC needs is another police force to add to the 40+ police forces in the city.

[Anonymous]

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+1. Police everywhere have pulled back from doing their jobs bc they don't like being criticized. I'm not sure how to fix it.


I think some more sanctimonious chanting of defund the police would help. Calling them racist is a terrific morale booster, too. I’m sure everyone will be clamoring to be a police officer momentarily.

The way to fix it---is---like most intractable issues in the US---going to need people to agree to compromise. What was going to happen to crime and lack of policing was completely predictable based upon the enormous vilification of police officers in 2020. Everyone posting about how that poor teacher at JR shouldn't have to endure epithets and abuse from students should stop and consider what the average police officer encounters day in/day out and maybe not make gross generalizations demonizing the people we depend upon to keep order. At the same time, police unions need to be a lot quicker to toss out bad apples.

You know, actually have some nuance and compromise in public policy discussions? Neither the progressive left nor the radical right have any talent or inclination to engage in that way and it is harming us all.

Most voters in progressive DC are far ahead of that — we want to fund and empower the police. Oh we do!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A big issue is SFPD. They stopped arresting for petty crime even before Chesa was elected. This is a theme throughout many cities in the US - the police work slowdown has been real, they stop arresting (except when there’s a gun, a body, or a protest), and that ends up leading to civilians feeling helpless.

A prediction: nothing will change with Chesa gone. SFPD is still pissed off at the Mayor, the council, and the citizens who ask for respect of their rights. How do you reign in a rogue police force?

+1. Police everywhere have pulled back from doing their jobs bc they don't like being criticized. I'm not sure how to fix it.

I think the solution is going to be setting different police forces. If the ones we have with their huge budgets and absurd pensions won’t work because they want all that and to never hear a single word of criticism, we need an entirely new police force.

If you can't stand criticism, if you can't possibly figure out how to do your job without excessive, unwarranted violence, you don't belong on the police force. I'm sure there are plenty of other folks who wouldn't mind that job and sweet benefits.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For a failed city, it pretty impossible to buy a house there. When do all these people fleeing actually flee?

When they have kids. There are very few kids in SF.

When does that reflected in real estate prices? For some wacky reason all of these places that people are fleeing seem to have incredible demand

SFH prices are high because they are a preferred housing type everywhere in the US and they are rare in SF and the quantity is decreasing.

Condo prices in SF haven’t increased since 2017.

source? Rent prices, including condos, is insane in a lot of CA. My parents own a tiny condo in a somewhat industrial area of SoCal. I was looking at renting it out at some point.


A 2br apt in that area will go for over $2300.
3 br condo will go for over $3000.

And these are not newly built, nice condos/apts.

You could just use Google or is that too difficult?

https://wolfstreet.com/2021/07/10/condos-v-houses-san-francisco-house-prices-do-holy-moly-spike-condo-prices-flat-for-3-years/

Yes, condo prices never keep up with SFH, anywhere. Shrug. It's not specific to SF.

Same source, btw. That wasn't difficult to find, either. But, I know you have a special in your heart for SF

[Anonymous]

You know this shows the opposite of what you claim, right? The colors change between the two graphs. Condos are green in SF and single-family homes are red. In the NY graph, it's the opposite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a failed city, it pretty impossible to buy a house there. When do all these people fleeing actually flee?

When they have kids. There are very few kids in SF.

When does that reflected in real estate prices? For some wacky reason all of these places that people are fleeing seem to have incredible demand

SFH prices are high because they are a preferred housing type everywhere in the US and they are rare in SF and the quantity is decreasing.

Condo prices in SF haven’t increased since 2017.

source? Rent prices, including condos, is insane in a lot of CA. My parents own a tiny condo in a somewhat industrial area of SoCal. I was looking at renting it out at some point.


A 2br apt in that area will go for over $2300.
3 br condo will go for over $3000.

And these are not newly built, nice condos/apts.

You could just use Google or is that too difficult?

https://wolfstreet.com/2021/07/10/condos-v-houses-san-francisco-house-prices-do-holy-moly-spike-condo-prices-flat-for-3-years/

Yes, condo prices never keep up with SFH, anywhere. Shrug. It's not specific to SF.

Same source, btw. That wasn't difficult to find, either. But, I know you have a special in your heart for SF

What’s your point? You’re just arguing for the sake of it without even a point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


I think the solution is going to be setting different police forces. If the ones we have with their huge budgets and absurd pensions won’t work because they want all that and to never hear a single word of criticism, we need an entirely new police force.


If you can't stand criticism, if you can't possibly figure out how to do your job without excessive, unwarranted violence, you don't belong on the police force. I'm sure there are plenty of other folks who wouldn't mind that job and sweet benefits.

Have you tried to hire lately? We are currently experiencing one of the lowest unemployment rates in decades. My company offers good benefits AND jobs that don't (a) involve a physically grueling training process; (b) potentially getting shot at and (c) having to deal with the criminal and the crazy. And we can't get people. Why do you think there is some long line of people waiting to become police officers?

By demonizing the entirety of the law enforcement profession---which is what happened in 2020---we are discouraging the very kind of people we most need to be police from wanting to apply.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This quote really resonates:

In February 2021, board members agreed that they would avoid the phrase learning loss to describe what was happening to kids locked out of their classrooms. Instead they would use the words learning change. Schools being shut just meant students were “having different learning experiences than the ones we currently measure,” Gabriela López, a member of the board at the time, said. “They are learning more about their families and their cultures.” Framing this as some kind of “deficit” was wrong, the board argued.

The gaslighting on the harms of the school closures from progressives is unreal.

Holy crap. That quote is pure insanity.

If i didn’t know better I would have thought it came from an article of The Onion.