It’s only incorrect if you have not studied the history of psychology. Lemming. |
Omg. Just end Montessori. Do 3-5 year olds and cancel the elementary program. It’s a scam that’s been bootstrapped by Monique o Grady and the Montessori lobby in Arlington. It’s not a high performing program and it doesn’t enroll the kids it professes to exist for after kindergarten. Cancel it! |
I'm perfectly fine with that! (as evident in my suggestion to eliminate the middle school program) But it isn't going to happen; so just responding to previous comments. |
No, she created it to serve underprivileged kids. But the bottom line sentiment is correct. It isn't really fulfilling her vision, the affluent parents use the fact that there are underprivileged kids in the program to justify its continuance, and we could just get rid of it. |
DP - no matter where you put MPSA or any option school, it eliminates a walkable neighborhood school for somebody and incurs transportation costs. Fleet is still "walkable" - but not as walkable as it was for as many as it was in its Henry location. |
DP - maybe you should look up the history of Montessori. It was not designed as a learning disabled special program. Its main intent was to serve underprivileged children. |
Yes! |
I guess you didn’t follow the last school limbed. It costs money to pack up entire schools, change all the signage, etc. In the millions. It’s stupid and wasteful. The CC site doesn’t have to be devoted to just HS. It’s not a neighborhood school and won’t have all the amenities of a neighborhood school. That’s been debated up and down and is DEAD, okay? And the housing plans for this area of CP do not include AH, so all those market rate condos and one bedroom apartments aren’t going to result in a ton of kids. We don’t need another neighborhood school here and won’t for decades, and APS isn’t going to make crazy neighborhood boundaries again, increasing bus routes and lengths, when they just unwound that. I am not saying I agree with all their decisions but this is all crazy talk because it’s all already been decided and was set in motion ages ago when they moved Montessori out of Drew. You’re late to the party. |
Okay? No one is denying that, but pp’s comment that it would easy to draw boundaries for those schools because they’re all a mile apart is demonstrably false. As between Nottingham, Discovery and Tuckhoe, there is no combination of two schools that could absorb the students from a third. It would require a refining of nearly every NA elementary, with lots of current walkers turned into bus riders. Yes, APS can do that if they’re willing to cut funding elsewhere and completely redo the bell review process they just completed, but let’s not lie and say it would be costless. |
Let's just agree that either option is going to cost millions. They are going to build MPSA a new playground if they keep it during the construction, they will change the field and bus loop after they knock it down (plus destroy that new playground), and construction is just plain easier if that building is not on the site. So, there is lots of money saved if you move it now, plus it gives the flexibility at the end to figure out the best use of the old building -- whether at that point we needs HS, MS, or ES seats, no one knows. But I see what you are saying. It costs some money to move the school now. It also costs money to keep it once we know they are going to knock it down eventually anyhow. |
NP and MPSA parent here: the proposal to move MPSA to NW is not from the Montessori community. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t want to stay at CC. There are a few neighborhood activists who want to move MPSA off site – see last school board meeting where one of them proposed moving to the NW.
Montessori haters just gonna hate, but one quick thing that may help others new to the issue: there are roughly 700 APS Montessori students now prek-8 across a half-dozen buildings. There were literally hundreds more applicants this year than open slots – go watch lottery videos for yourself. MPSA and Gunston program will grow more, as they have for years. Whoever said the demand stops after prek is wackadoo. As for shutting down options, that made me laugh. You want 1ks of kids suddenly flooding back into neighbor schools? |
A lot of the pre-K interest is driven by it being a full-day program, which many parents are seeking, that is open to more people than who qualify for VPI. Many of those pre-K students do not apply K-5. Pre-k slots are also all over the county, typically where APS has empty seats, vs one central building.
Isn't the MS program 30 students? |
I have no particular views in shutting down MPSA, but your numbers don’t make sense. If there are roughly 700 students total in MPSA, how does shutting it down result in thousands of kids returning to neighborhood schools. Also, over 100 of those students are pre-k who don’t need to be accommodated anywhere if there isn’t space to expand VPI. So really, we’re talking about a little less than 400 elementary students returning to neighborhood schools, and maybe 30 middle school students who aren’t zoned for Gunston to start with. |
Well, the neighborhood schools aren't so overcrowded now, so why not? And it's not thousands, or even one thousand - whatever you meant by "1ks." Montessori always presents stats to distort people's initial reactions to their favor. The increase in applicants is pre-K. There is high demand for preschool in general. You don't have hundreds more clamoring for middle school. Montessori likes to believe there's huge demand through high school. There isn't. So, tell us the % of preK kids who apply to continue? And tell us the % of 5th graders who continue into middle school. How many people are applying somewhere in the middle? https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/U-MEM_281-Membership-Summary-All.pdf "..700 APS Montessori students now prek-8 across a half-dozen buildings." Let's remind everyone that about 90(?) of those are the total # of middle schoolers and they are all in ONE building. Total preK = 230. 103 are at the MPSA building at the CC site. K-5 enrollment at the MPSA building is 390. Look at that: 103 in one grade level (preK) and 390 across 6 grade levels (K-5). PreK NOT at the MPSA site (230-103) = 127. That's 127 students in 6 different buildings. 70 of those are at Discovery (30) and Jamestown (40). Smallest prek is 8 - EIGHT - at Carlin Springs. So, it's 127 students across 6 buildings; 493 at one building; and about 90 (? enrollment not broken out by program on this document) at another building. Compare Montessori's 230 preschoolers to 474 VPI preschoolers across 16 schools, more evenly distributed with the outlier of Hoffman Boston with 58. Montessori's supposed to serve under-privileged kids. What % of the 230 Montessori preschoolers are underprivileged - and not Arlington Montessori's definition of low-income.... eligible for FRL low-income? I don't see MPSA and Gunston program enrollment having significantly grown over the years. Grew some this year to 493 at MPSA. Last year 455. Year before that 456. Don't know what it was when combined with Drew. |
Montessori parents are not known for being particularly saavy with numbers. |