'LatinX' backfires on the Democrats

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Anonymous wrote:No one I know uses this term. It is yet again a right wing pushed tripe that people buy into.

Joe Biden used it. Here it is in the Whitehouse transcript in case someone is tempted to delete this as "misinformation."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/06/24/remarks-by-president-biden-highlighting-the-importance-of-getting-vaccinated-and-kicking-off-a-community-canvassing-event/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are "white Hispanics" included in BIPOC?

White Latina here and no, I do not consider myself BIPOC. Technically I do have some indigenous ancestry (more than Elizabeth Warren), so I think it is a bit of a gray area. But most people who don't know me see me as White and treat me as such which is different from how my friends and family who are BIPOC are treated.

Your employer considers you Hispanic in its calculations of diversity. Absolutely no doubt about it. Your appearance and language make no difference. If you have a Latin sound name they will assume it. OTOH, if you have an Anglo sounding name and everything else is the same, they won't. If you look at employer or school data, there is a reason that institutions that used to have 5-10 percent diversity suddenty have 30-40 percent. They are looking for people who can check different boxes regardless of whether that is reflected in anything else about the person.

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Anonymous wrote:I was at a college presentation and tour the other day with my senior and the world language chair used the term "LatinX." Immediately, you could see the parents (and students) shaking their heads and rolling their eyes. Funny how people who use that term are so oblivious to how dopey they look.

I could see the parents, but I don't believe you when you talk about the students. It's common enough among young people that students would not bat an eye.

Sure maybe in the pottery department at Emily Dickinson College, Latinx would be used, but not in the.math department at Carnegie Mellon

Watch out for the kiln, Fawn! I’ve got a baaaaaaddddd feeling about it!

I actually know a professor from Carnegie Mellon. She uses the term. She's in the English department. The point is that some people use it and some don't. It's not a big deal. All of a sudden, Rs care about Latinos. Interesting.

of course they care now. they see it is helping them convince hispanics to vote republican.

Shocker. I know. Some Hispanic people like low taxes for their business, and to refute the soft bigotry of low expectations offered by the democrats. It’s crazy.

And some want to pull up the ladder and not pass DACA

Especially the ones who followed the law and immigrated legally. It's insulting (btw) to treat all hispanics as though they are illegal immigrants.

Who exactly is doing that?

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Anonymous wrote:The Spanish language itself is steeped in gender. English-speaking people trying to change and neutralize another culture’s language to suit their politically motivated worldview is deeply offensive to native Spanish speakers.

Duh.

This. So stupid. White liberals trample every minority in their genuine but misguided efforts to “help”.

Except this is a falsehood. The term was created by Spanish-speaking Latin-American/Hispanic academics in the 2000s and has been greatly amplified on social media in recent years.

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Anonymous wrote:Are "white Hispanics" included in BIPOC?

White Latina here and no, I do not consider myself BIPOC. Technically I do have some indigenous ancestry (more than Elizabeth Warren), so I think it is a bit of a gray area. But most people who don't know me see me as White and treat me as such which is different from how my friends and family who are BIPOC are treated.

Your employer considers you Hispanic in its calculations of diversity. Absolutely no doubt about it. Your appearance and language make no difference. If you have a Latin sound name they will assume it. OTOH, if you have an Anglo sounding name and everything else is the same, they won't. If you look at employer or school data, there is a reason that institutions that used to have 5-10 percent diversity suddenty have 30-40 percent. They are looking for people who can check different boxes regardless of whether that is reflected in anything else about the person.

Are you suggesting I'm not as qualified as my White coworkers because I'm Latina?

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Anonymous wrote:I was at a college presentation and tour the other day with my senior and the world language chair used the term "LatinX." Immediately, you could see the parents (and students) shaking their heads and rolling their eyes. Funny how people who use that term are so oblivious to how dopey they look.

I could see the parents, but I don't believe you when you talk about the students. It's common enough among young people that students would not bat an eye.

Oh, but they did. Parents and kids were all exchanging the side eye. It was pretty funny, and doesn't concern (or surprise) me in the least that you don't believe it.

LOL. Sure they did.

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Anonymous wrote:Are "white Hispanics" included in BIPOC?

White Latina here and no, I do not consider myself BIPOC. Technically I do have some indigenous ancestry (more than Elizabeth Warren), so I think it is a bit of a gray area. But most people who don't know me see me as White and treat me as such which is different from how my friends and family who are BIPOC are treated.

Your employer considers you Hispanic in its calculations of diversity. Absolutely no doubt about it. Your appearance and language make no difference. If you have a Latin sound name they will assume it. OTOH, if you have an Anglo sounding name and everything else is the same, they won't. If you look at employer or school data, there is a reason that institutions that used to have 5-10 percent diversity suddenty have 30-40 percent. They are looking for people who can check different boxes regardless of whether that is reflected in anything else about the person.

Are you suggesting I'm not as qualified as my White coworkers because I'm Latina?

Absolutely not. NO. I am saying that even it your race/gender had nothing to do with your hiring, it is still something you company wants to make reference to in its data about its employees. Companies are expected to show a significant percentage of employees are diverse. So, for example, in the Federal government we are asked tons of questions about our demographics. We are now asked what gender we were "assigned" at birth and also how we identify today. No one cared about that 10 years ago and e already work there but the government wants to gather data on race, gender etc so it can describe how diverse its workforce is today.

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Anonymous wrote:Are "white Hispanics" included in BIPOC?

White Latina here and no, I do not consider myself BIPOC. Technically I do have some indigenous ancestry (more than Elizabeth Warren), so I think it is a bit of a gray area. But most people who don't know me see me as White and treat me as such which is different from how my friends and family who are BIPOC are treated.

Your employer considers you Hispanic in its calculations of diversity. Absolutely no doubt about it. Your appearance and language make no difference. If you have a Latin sound name they will assume it. OTOH, if you have an Anglo sounding name and everything else is the same, they won't. If you look at employer or school data, there is a reason that institutions that used to have 5-10 percent diversity suddenty have 30-40 percent. They are looking for people who can check different boxes regardless of whether that is reflected in anything else about the person.

Are you suggesting I'm not as qualified as my White coworkers because I'm Latina?

Absolutely not. NO. I am saying that even it your race/gender had nothing to do with your hiring, it is still something you company wants to make reference to in its data about its employees. Companies are expected to show a significant percentage of employees are diverse. So, for example, in the Federal government we are asked tons of questions about our demographics. We are now asked what gender we were "assigned" at birth and also how we identify today. No one cared about that 10 years ago and e already work there but the government wants to gather data on race, gender etc so it can describe how diverse its workforce is today.

Okay, what's the big deal then? I am Latina/Hispanic. I speak Spanish. It's not incorrect to categorize me as Hispanic.

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Anonymous wrote:Are "white Hispanics" included in BIPOC?

White Latina here and no, I do not consider myself BIPOC. Technically I do have some indigenous ancestry (more than Elizabeth Warren), so I think it is a bit of a gray area. But most people who don't know me see me as White and treat me as such which is different from how my friends and family who are BIPOC are treated.

Your employer considers you Hispanic in its calculations of diversity. Absolutely no doubt about it. Your appearance and language make no difference. If you have a Latin sound name they will assume it. OTOH, if you have an Anglo sounding name and everything else is the same, they won't. If you look at employer or school data, there is a reason that institutions that used to have 5-10 percent diversity suddenty have 30-40 percent. They are looking for people who can check different boxes regardless of whether that is reflected in anything else about the person.

You are confusing ethnicity and race.

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Democrats didn’t come up with LatinX??

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Anonymous wrote:Are "white Hispanics" included in BIPOC?

White Latina here and no, I do not consider myself BIPOC. Technically I do have some indigenous ancestry (more than Elizabeth Warren), so I think it is a bit of a gray area. But most people who don't know me see me as White and treat me as such which is different from how my friends and family who are BIPOC are treated.

Your employer considers you Hispanic in its calculations of diversity. Absolutely no doubt about it. Your appearance and language make no difference. If you have a Latin sound name they will assume it. OTOH, if you have an Anglo sounding name and everything else is the same, they won't. If you look at employer or school data, there is a reason that institutions that used to have 5-10 percent diversity suddenty have 30-40 percent. They are looking for people who can check different boxes regardless of whether that is reflected in anything else about the person.

Are you suggesting I'm not as qualified as my White coworkers because I'm Latina?

Absolutely not. NO. I am saying that even it your race/gender had nothing to do with your hiring, it is still something you company wants to make reference to in its data about its employees. Companies are expected to show a significant percentage of employees are diverse. So, for example, in the Federal government we are asked tons of questions about our demographics. We are now asked what gender we were "assigned" at birth and also how we identify today. No one cared about that 10 years ago and e already work there but the government wants to gather data on race, gender etc so it can describe how diverse its workforce is today.

Okay, what's the big deal then? I am Latina/Hispanic. I speak Spanish. It's not incorrect to categorize me as Hispanic.

There is no big deal. I thought you asked if White Latina would considered Hispanic. I would say yes based on the majority survey questions regarding race thst I have seen.

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Anonymous wrote:Are "white Hispanics" included in BIPOC?

White Latina here and no, I do not consider myself BIPOC. Technically I do have some indigenous ancestry (more than Elizabeth Warren), so I think it is a bit of a gray area. But most people who don't know me see me as White and treat me as such which is different from how my friends and family who are BIPOC are treated.

Your employer considers you Hispanic in its calculations of diversity. Absolutely no doubt about it. Your appearance and language make no difference. If you have a Latin sound name they will assume it. OTOH, if you have an Anglo sounding name and everything else is the same, they won't. If you look at employer or school data, there is a reason that institutions that used to have 5-10 percent diversity suddenty have 30-40 percent. They are looking for people who can check different boxes regardless of whether that is reflected in anything else about the person.

You are confusing ethnicity and race.

I’m not though. Lots of surveys break Hispanics into a two categories of different races. So Hispanic typically applies to both non white and white.

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Anonymous wrote:Gee, you wonder why the Trump, of all people, made huge headways with Latino voters?

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017d-81be-dee4-a5ff-efbe74ec0000

Only 2% of Hispanic voters chose the term 'LatinX' to describe their ethnic background.


Seriously, the Democrats spend so much time flailing around about whatever GOP does that Democrats fail to realize that they are overwhelmingly their own worst enemies the vast majority of the time. Thank god we have white progressives telling Hispanic voters that LatinX is the new appropriate term to use. The Democrats are making very dangerous assumptions that the growing Hispanic vote will be theirs. Judging by the LatinX fiasco, the Democrats are doing a good job drumming up votes for the GOP.

This is a dumb take. Read again:
Their ethnic background. Individually.
OF COURSE they don't refer to themselves as 'Latinx' - if male, 'Latino' or if female, 'Latina'
"Latinx" is just shorthand for "Latinos and Latinas' in aggregate. But do go on typing 13 extra characters every time if you insist.

Do you speak Spanish? Or do you just assign yourself the authority as a white English speaker to tell Spanish speakers how you feel they should speak their native tongue?

Because in Spanish, the term for describing that aggregation of men and women automatically defers to the masculine noun: Latinos. There is no shorthand.

Latinx is a phony word made up by phony white people.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bored, navel-gazing, mostly white UMC boutique pseudo-progressives have to be the most annoying and tedious folks in the world. When will they get around to fixing other languages? Any Chinese characters have problematic derivations? Can you fix that for them? After of course you fix the Spanish language for its speakers.

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Don't forget the professor who was actually investigated and placed on leave when he said a Chinese word that sounded an awful lot like the n-word. It's like the Twilight Zone come to life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am so sure that 99% of the people on this forum don't even have a Latino friend they can ask.

I have 17 Latino employees. When I ask them a question, they always have the same response: "Do I get overtime for it."