Why aren't children re-evaluated for AAP annually?

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Nah. In Fairfax County, there are a lot of pyramids that are good schools, with lots of families who prioritize education, with townhouses and SFH in the very reasonable range of $300-600k. But people choose other areas for bigger houses and then complain about the schools. The GS score was right there, when you bought your house.

You're forgetting to account for reasonable work commutes. Many of the strong pyramids with reasonably priced townhouses don't have viable commutes.

Also, recommending that upper middle class people move away from poor people just leads to even more gentrification and an even bigger divide between "good" schools and "bad" schools. A county as wealthy as Fairfax should be able to educate kids without this level of segregation.

This. We live in a so so pyramid, couldn’t afford McLean when we bought our house ten years ago, probably still can’t. But that commute, or Burke or Springfield, would mean one of us rapid never see the kids during the week. We prioritized family time. And we would 100% send to private if DC wasn’t in AAP. It would still be more affordable than than buying a house in the neighborhood with the better ES down the way. And we’re saving for private HS.

SMH

Care to elaborate?

Fairfax high schools are good, even the not-so-good ones. Barring some special issue, there's no reason to send a DC to private high school in Fairfax County. Elementary schools are the problem, not high schools.

Yeah no. There are some terrible HS in Fairfax Co. Going private in certain parts of the county makes sense.

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Because risk of “failing out” is not appropriate for young children. Their parents can always decline if it’s not working.

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Anonymous wrote:Because risk of “failing out” is not appropriate for young children. Their parents can always decline if it’s not working.

Is it appropriate to tell young children that they're not smart and can't be educated in the same classroom as their friends? Is it appropriate for gen ed advanced math kids to "fail out" of advanced math if they don't get a pass advanced on the SOL? Is is appropriate for principal placed kids to lose their placement even if they're doing fine, simply because there isn't space? All of these are very common in FCPS. Why do you and FCPS only care about the emotional wellbeing of AAP kids and not the bright gen ed kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because risk of “failing out” is not appropriate for young children. Their parents can always decline if it’s not working.

Is it appropriate to tell young children that they're not smart and can't be educated in the same classroom as their friends? Is it appropriate for gen ed advanced math kids to "fail out" of advanced math if they don't get a pass advanced on the SOL? Is is appropriate for principal placed kids to lose their placement even if they're doing fine, simply because there isn't space? All of these are very common in FCPS. Why do you and FCPS only care about the emotional wellbeing of AAP kids and not the bright gen ed kids?

If you are so concerned about the fall out of Gen Ed kids, who is stopping them to take WISC, Cogat and any other IQ or eligibility tests? If they score how the AAP kids scored to get into the AAP program, they can join AAP classes. It’s not fair for AAP kids to be evaluated every year. If you don’t want to get evaluated every year, appeal and join AAP classroom.
In case of kids who are only advanced in math, I’m sure you can stop the fall out by excellent cogat quantitative scores and preforming well on math tests.

Why are you after AAP kids and trying to pull them and their parents down?

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Anonymous wrote:So I have a kid that was struggling in AAP, and I asked about moving him to GenEd. The school admin. said they usually don’t move the kids because of self-esteem issues and potential teasing about it from other kids. So we stuck with AAP, and this year he is doing fine.

How nice. They don’t seem to care at all about the self esteem issues or teasing of bright gen Ed kids who get rejected for AAP. My DD had a group of three girls tell her that she wasn’t smart enough to be their friend, since they were all heading off to the center. My DD had a 130 CogAT and 15 GBRS, and she was still teased because “she wasn’t smart”.

I totally get your point and feel for you and your daughter. Kids can be mean, especially girls.
It’s segregation in the center school, where kids from
AAP feel they are smarter than kids who are in Gen Ed. Even during recess AAP and Gen Ed kids don’t play together. I also know parents who prefer their AAP kid to play with, spend time with only AAP kids.
I would have liked if there was a separate school for Gifted / AAP kids so that they don’t have the superiority complex and they are grounded.

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Anonymous wrote:So I have a kid that was struggling in AAP, and I asked about moving him to GenEd. The school admin. said they usually don’t move the kids because of self-esteem issues and potential teasing about it from other kids. So we stuck with AAP, and this year he is doing fine.

How nice. They don’t seem to care at all about the self esteem issues or teasing of bright gen Ed kids who get rejected for AAP. My DD had a group of three girls tell her that she wasn’t smart enough to be their friend, since they were all heading off to the center. My DD had a 130 CogAT and 15 GBRS, and she was still teased because “she wasn’t smart”.

I totally get your point and feel for you and your daughter. Kids can be mean, especially girls.
It’s segregation in the center school, where kids from
AAP feel they are smarter than kids who are in Gen Ed. Even during recess AAP and Gen Ed kids don’t play together. I also know parents who prefer their AAP kid to play with, spend time with only AAP kids.
I would have liked if there was a separate school for Gifted / AAP kids so that they don’t have the superiority complex and they are grounded.

A separate school away from the masses definitely sounds like a great way to ground them

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because risk of “failing out” is not appropriate for young children. Their parents can always decline if it’s not working.

Is it appropriate to tell young children that they're not smart and can't be educated in the same classroom as their friends? Is it appropriate for gen ed advanced math kids to "fail out" of advanced math if they don't get a pass advanced on the SOL? Is is appropriate for principal placed kids to lose their placement even if they're doing fine, simply because there isn't space? All of these are very common in FCPS. Why do you and FCPS only care about the emotional wellbeing of AAP kids and not the bright gen ed kids?

If you are so concerned about the fall out of Gen Ed kids, who is stopping them to take WISC, Cogat and any other IQ or eligibility tests? If they score how the AAP kids scored to get into the AAP program, they can join AAP classes. It’s not fair for AAP kids to be evaluated every year. If you don’t want to get evaluated every year, appeal and join AAP classroom.
In case of kids who are only advanced in math, I’m sure you can stop the fall out by excellent cogat quantitative scores and preforming well on math tests.

Why are you after AAP kids and trying to pull them and their parents down?

So a gen Ed kid in advanced math who isn’t gifted, just a very good student, can be sent down if they slip and that’s fine, but an AAP kid who turns out to be a terrible student can’t because they might get sad and that ok somehow?

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Anonymous wrote:If they score how the AAP kids scored to get into the AAP program, they can join AAP classes. It’s not fair for AAP kids to be evaluated every year. If you don’t want to get evaluated every year, appeal and join AAP classroom.

It doesn’t work that way. There are kids with 99th percentile WISC scores who get rejected. The reality is that kids with high GBRS and high scores sometimes get rejected. Many of the kids who accepted score around a 120-130 CogAT and are only mildly advanced. It’s absurd that the first group constantly has to prove themselves and the second is guaranteed placement through 8th, no matter how poorly they perform

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Because risk of “failing out” is not appropriate for young children. Their parents can always decline if it’s not working.

Is it appropriate to tell young children that they're not smart and can't be educated in the same classroom as their friends? Is it appropriate for gen ed advanced math kids to "fail out" of advanced math if they don't get a pass advanced on the SOL? Is is appropriate for principal placed kids to lose their placement even if they're doing fine, simply because there isn't space? All of these are very common in FCPS. Why do you and FCPS only care about the emotional wellbeing of AAP kids and not the bright gen ed kids?

If you are so concerned about the fall out of Gen Ed kids, who is stopping them to take WISC, Cogat and any other IQ or eligibility tests? If they score how the AAP kids scored to get into the AAP program, they can join AAP classes. It’s not fair for AAP kids to be evaluated every year. If you don’t want to get evaluated every year, appeal and join AAP classroom.
In case of kids who are only advanced in math, I’m sure you can stop the fall out by excellent cogat quantitative scores and preforming well on math tests.

Why are you after AAP kids and trying to pull them and their parents down?

So a gen Ed kid in advanced math who isn’t gifted, just a very good student, can be sent down if they slip and that’s fine, but an AAP kid who turns out to be a terrible student can’t because they might get sad and that ok somehow?

No this is not ok. Kids who are underperforming in AAP should be kicked out too. Feelings and self esteem of ALL kids should be considered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they score how the AAP kids scored to get into the AAP program, they can join AAP classes. It’s not fair for AAP kids to be evaluated every year. If you don’t want to get evaluated every year, appeal and join AAP classroom.

It doesn’t work that way. There are kids with 99th percentile WISC scores who get rejected. The reality is that kids with high GBRS and high scores sometimes get rejected. Many of the kids who accepted score around a 120-130 CogAT and are only mildly advanced. It’s absurd that the first group constantly has to prove themselves and the second is guaranteed placement through 8th, no matter how poorly they perform

In center schools isn’t the cutoff score 132? Then why do they reject kids with 99% scores and admit kids with 120 to 130 scores? Please help me understand this. My child is in 2nd grade now and am waiting for cogat results.

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Anonymous wrote:If they score how the AAP kids scored to get into the AAP program, they can join AAP classes. It’s not fair for AAP kids to be evaluated every year. If you don’t want to get evaluated every year, appeal and join AAP classroom.

It doesn’t work that way. There are kids with 99th percentile WISC scores who get rejected. The reality is that kids with high GBRS and high scores sometimes get rejected. Many of the kids who accepted score around a 120-130 CogAT and are only mildly advanced. It’s absurd that the first group constantly has to prove themselves and the second is guaranteed placement through 8th, no matter how poorly they perform

That mostly doesn't happen. We hear about the 3 kids who it has happened to on this forum. But otherwise, that's not a thing.

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So a gen Ed kid in advanced math who isn’t gifted, just a very good student, can be sent down if they slip and that’s fine, but an AAP kid who turns out to be a terrible student can’t because they might get sad and that ok somehow?

No this is not ok. Kids who are underperforming in AAP should be kicked out too. Feelings and self esteem of ALL kids should be considered.
+1. The hypocrisy is stunning. If struggling AAP kids can’t be removed from the program because it might damage their self esteem, then level III, advanced math, and principal placement should likewise be permanent so they don’t feel bad.

I’m a fan of removing failing AAP students because they drastically slow down the program. My kid wasn’t able to receive much needed extensions because the teachers were too busy helping the struggling AAP students.

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That mostly doesn't happen. We hear about the 3 kids who it has happened to on this forum. But otherwise, that's not a thing.

It’s not quite the same, but my oldest child with a 130 CogAT, 15 GBRS, Level II since K, and above grade level in all subjects was rejected. My kid actually had higher stats all around than the majority of kids accepted from her school.

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Did you appeal with a higher cogat score or WISC later?

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For those posters that want to drop kids from AAP you should be happy that level IV AAP Is coming to your kid's school. That way they can be the big fish in a little pond and you too will have parental bragging rights!