Wisconsin-Madison?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't attend UW but I went to a SLAC in the general area and have spent some time in Madison and the surrounding area. That being said, I know of the academics/student life experience only through conversations with other students and reputation. I also went to grad school at OSU (which, if you like UW, you should also consider for a few reasons I'll articulate).

Pros: Excellent reputation nationally and regionally. Wisconsinites in particular are extremely proud of UW. It has a huge alumni network. Madison is a lively mid-sized city, and a state capitol, so it's well situated for students to get internships (I interned in the state house). You don't need a car to get around -- there are busses and most of the useful places are close to campus. That part of Wisconsin is quite pretty, with rolling hills and lots of trees, and Madison itself is also very pretty -- the campus is located between two lakes (more on that later). School spirit is amazing. State street has all of the college big hits (Urban Outfitters, small noodle restaurants, bookstores, etc) and is basically on campus.

Cons: My stereotype of Wisconsin education is that some of the lectures can be absolutely massive. This is fairly standard for big flagships, though. The physical campus is very large and you definitely need a bus to get from one end of it to the other, particularly if you're going to one of the special centers that are further from the central core. I live in Chicago and grew up in an even colder part of the country so weather is not a huge issue for me but the way the winds howl off of the lakes during the winter can be absolutely brutal. When I think of Madison -- and, remember, I went to college near Madison, I think of my eyelashes freezing as I walked from the bus stop to the Capitol. Someone said they don't get the lake effect snow... maybe that's right, but Madison definitely gets more snow than Chicago annually.

Also, Madison itself is nice, but kind of isolated. Yes, they have an airport. But... it's not a big one. You could fly out of Milwaukee or Chicago, but those are a bit of a trek to Madison. In any case, it's a healthy distance from the next major metro area. That being said, it has most everything you'd need. Bands do stop there.

Oh, and read about the Wisconsin state war on education. I know that hit UW hard, and faculty morale may not have recovered. There's quite a bit of anger.

There have been other threads comparing the two, but Columbus improves on Madison IMO in a few ways. The biggest is that Columbus (and Ohio) are much more diverse. Columbus is a larger city, although it doesn't feel huge. Columbus has milder weather generally AND the airport is much larger and better connected than Madison. You also can drive to it fairly easily from DC but it's definitely "a different part of the country." Columbus' area around OSU is definitely NOT as nice as Madison's, but Columbus is also a state capitol and has several large corporations based in town so has more job/internship opportunities.

Now, this info is out of date since I was in college ages ago, but I found OSU's facilities to be better than UW. The student center at UW is quite old, although it has a beautiful view of the lake. OSU has a brand new student center (2010) while UW has two (one around the same age and one much older) -- and the older one is undergoing renovation, which might mean it's not usable during your kid's time there. The gyms are comparable, but the libraries are not -- OSU's is also new and lovely, while Memorial Library at UW is an ancient, dark, somewhat terrifying building. It may have been renovated since I used it, but it doesn't look like it. That being said, I can't compare the dorms (no knowledge of either although I have heard OSU's suck) and I suspect most of the other facilities are similar.

I *think* OSU is easier to get into, so it could be a safety if you're considering UW.

Anyway. My two cents. UW is a great school and don't let DCUM people make you think it's a backwater that will doom your daughter to living in Wisconsin for the rest of her life.

Bands stop in Madison? Really???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't attend UW but I went to a SLAC in the general area and have spent some time in Madison and the surrounding area. That being said, I know of the academics/student life experience only through conversations with other students and reputation. I also went to grad school at OSU (which, if you like UW, you should also consider for a few reasons I'll articulate).

Pros: Excellent reputation nationally and regionally. Wisconsinites in particular are extremely proud of UW. It has a huge alumni network. Madison is a lively mid-sized city, and a state capitol, so it's well situated for students to get internships (I interned in the state house). You don't need a car to get around -- there are busses and most of the useful places are close to campus. That part of Wisconsin is quite pretty, with rolling hills and lots of trees, and Madison itself is also very pretty -- the campus is located between two lakes (more on that later). School spirit is amazing. State street has all of the college big hits (Urban Outfitters, small noodle restaurants, bookstores, etc) and is basically on campus.

Cons: My stereotype of Wisconsin education is that some of the lectures can be absolutely massive. This is fairly standard for big flagships, though. The physical campus is very large and you definitely need a bus to get from one end of it to the other, particularly if you're going to one of the special centers that are further from the central core. I live in Chicago and grew up in an even colder part of the country so weather is not a huge issue for me but the way the winds howl off of the lakes during the winter can be absolutely brutal. When I think of Madison -- and, remember, I went to college near Madison, I think of my eyelashes freezing as I walked from the bus stop to the Capitol. Someone said they don't get the lake effect snow... maybe that's right, but Madison definitely gets more snow than Chicago annually.

Also, Madison itself is nice, but kind of isolated. Yes, they have an airport. But... it's not a big one. You could fly out of Milwaukee or Chicago, but those are a bit of a trek to Madison. In any case, it's a healthy distance from the next major metro area. That being said, it has most everything you'd need. Bands do stop there.

Oh, and read about the Wisconsin state war on education. I know that hit UW hard, and faculty morale may not have recovered. There's quite a bit of anger.

There have been other threads comparing the two, but Columbus improves on Madison IMO in a few ways. The biggest is that Columbus (and Ohio) are much more diverse. Columbus is a larger city, although it doesn't feel huge. Columbus has milder weather generally AND the airport is much larger and better connected than Madison. You also can drive to it fairly easily from DC but it's definitely "a different part of the country." Columbus' area around OSU is definitely NOT as nice as Madison's, but Columbus is also a state capitol and has several large corporations based in town so has more job/internship opportunities.

Now, this info is out of date since I was in college ages ago, but I found OSU's facilities to be better than UW. The student center at UW is quite old, although it has a beautiful view of the lake. OSU has a brand new student center (2010) while UW has two (one around the same age and one much older) -- and the older one is undergoing renovation, which might mean it's not usable during your kid's time there. The gyms are comparable, but the libraries are not -- OSU's is also new and lovely, while Memorial Library at UW is an ancient, dark, somewhat terrifying building. It may have been renovated since I used it, but it doesn't look like it. That being said, I can't compare the dorms (no knowledge of either although I have heard OSU's suck) and I suspect most of the other facilities are similar.

I *think* OSU is easier to get into, so it could be a safety if you're considering UW.

Anyway. My two cents. UW is a great school and don't let DCUM people make you think it's a backwater that will doom your daughter to living in Wisconsin for the rest of her life.

First, there is nothing wrong with living in Wisconsin, and I wish that people would stop characterizing it that way. It is a beautiful state with wonderful people and a lot to do. We moved back after many years in DC and we are loving it and have never looked back. Also, the “old union” you talk about is an absolutely gorgeous 1920s building that was just fully renovated, so you are giving a bit of a false impression there.

That was said facetiously to address other commenters. Based on my many positive comments about UW and Wisconsin and Madison, I thought that was clear, but apparently not.

When I was there, Memorial Union was old. The website for it now does not talk about the renovations as though they were completed (nor does Wikipedia), but apparently they are according to you, so sorry, my bad.

How is an Ohio State facility built in 2010 “brand new.” That’s 11 years ago. Not to mention, Ohio State’s campus is one of the ugliest I have ever seen.

[Anonymous]

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Cons: My stereotype of Wisconsin education is that some of the lectures can be absolutely massive. This is fairly standard for big flagships, though. The physical campus is very large and you definitely need a bus to get from one end of it to the other, particularly if you're going to one of the special centers that are further from the central core. I live in Chicago and grew up in an even colder part of the country so weather is not a huge issue for me but the way the winds howl off of the lakes during the winter can be absolutely brutal. When I think of Madison -- and, remember, I went to college near Madison, I think of my eyelashes freezing as I walked from the bus stop to the Capitol. Someone said they don't get the lake effect snow... maybe that's right, but Madison definitely gets more snow than Chicago annually.

Freshmen classes at any flagship are going to be huge. But they have TA led discussion sections and the professor and TA's hold office hours.

You don't need a bus to get from one end of campus to another, and the fact is, a student is generally in the L&S area or the Engineering area. There isn't a lot of back and forth between the two.

Madison doesn't have the persistent winds and lakeshore effect that Chicago enjoys. It can get cold, but it is Wisconsin, not Mississippi.

Also, Madison itself is nice, but kind of isolated. Yes, they have an airport. But... it's not a big one. You could fly out of Milwaukee or Chicago, but those are a bit of a trek to Madison. In any case, it's a healthy distance from the next major metro area. That being said, it has most everything you'd need. Bands do stop there.

There are buses that go from the Union or downtown Madison to O'Hare and Milwaukee that cost like $10. It is pretty easy. Or you can fly from Madison through Detroit or Chicago to DC or any other city in the world.

Now, this info is out of date since I was in college ages ago, but I found OSU's facilities to be better than UW. The student center at UW is quite old, although it has a beautiful view of the lake. OSU has a brand new student center (2010) while UW has two (one around the same age and one much older) -- and the older one is undergoing renovation, which might mean it's not usable during your kid's time there. The gyms are comparable, but the libraries are not -- OSU's is also new and lovely, while Memorial Library at UW is an ancient, dark, somewhat terrifying building. It may have been renovated since I used it, but it doesn't look like it. That being said, I can't compare the dorms (no knowledge of either although I have heard OSU's suck) and I suspect most of the other facilities are similar.

The Memorial Union has been totally renovated and is a crown jewel on campus. Suggesting it is old and thus a negative is to miss its prominence on campus, the beauty of the building and the backdrop for the Terrace.

Memorial Library is dark and terrifying? Since when? And it is one of like 20 libraries on campus.

All of the dorms at US have been renovated or built new in the last 5 or so years.

I live in Chicago and went to college in Wisconsin and totally disagree. Chicago is milder than Madison.

That being said, I think that weather is kind of a dumb reason to choose a college.

As for the bus to O'Hare -- the Van Galder. Yes, I am *very* familiar with the Van Galder. Just as a note, since 10$ makes it sound like it's just a hop, skip, and jump from the airport, that's a 2 hour one way journey from O'Hare to Madison. In no traffic. Yes, you can fly. But, since this was when I was talking about a "negative" aspect of Madison, I do think it's fair to point out that UW is not particularly well connected by air -- it just isn't.

And as for Memorial Library -- I spent *many* hours studying for the GRE there in essentially a cage, and a piece of ceiling fell on me. It is not a nice library, particularly when compared to OSU's brand new library.
https://www.library.wisc.edu/memorial/spaces/study-places/carrels/

Yes, there are other libraries. But that's the main one.

And, again, I *like* UW. I would encourage smart students interested in a big school to consider it. But, I'm allowed to have different reactions to some aspects of the university and city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't attend UW but I went to a SLAC in the general area and have spent some time in Madison and the surrounding area. That being said, I know of the academics/student life experience only through conversations with other students and reputation. I also went to grad school at OSU (which, if you like UW, you should also consider for a few reasons I'll articulate).

Pros: Excellent reputation nationally and regionally. Wisconsinites in particular are extremely proud of UW. It has a huge alumni network. Madison is a lively mid-sized city, and a state capitol, so it's well situated for students to get internships (I interned in the state house). You don't need a car to get around -- there are busses and most of the useful places are close to campus. That part of Wisconsin is quite pretty, with rolling hills and lots of trees, and Madison itself is also very pretty -- the campus is located between two lakes (more on that later). School spirit is amazing. State street has all of the college big hits (Urban Outfitters, small noodle restaurants, bookstores, etc) and is basically on campus.

Cons: My stereotype of Wisconsin education is that some of the lectures can be absolutely massive. This is fairly standard for big flagships, though. The physical campus is very large and you definitely need a bus to get from one end of it to the other, particularly if you're going to one of the special centers that are further from the central core. I live in Chicago and grew up in an even colder part of the country so weather is not a huge issue for me but the way the winds howl off of the lakes during the winter can be absolutely brutal. When I think of Madison -- and, remember, I went to college near Madison, I think of my eyelashes freezing as I walked from the bus stop to the Capitol. Someone said they don't get the lake effect snow... maybe that's right, but Madison definitely gets more snow than Chicago annually.

Also, Madison itself is nice, but kind of isolated. Yes, they have an airport. But... it's not a big one. You could fly out of Milwaukee or Chicago, but those are a bit of a trek to Madison. In any case, it's a healthy distance from the next major metro area. That being said, it has most everything you'd need. Bands do stop there.

Oh, and read about the Wisconsin state war on education. I know that hit UW hard, and faculty morale may not have recovered. There's quite a bit of anger.

There have been other threads comparing the two, but Columbus improves on Madison IMO in a few ways. The biggest is that Columbus (and Ohio) are much more diverse. Columbus is a larger city, although it doesn't feel huge. Columbus has milder weather generally AND the airport is much larger and better connected than Madison. You also can drive to it fairly easily from DC but it's definitely "a different part of the country." Columbus' area around OSU is definitely NOT as nice as Madison's, but Columbus is also a state capitol and has several large corporations based in town so has more job/internship opportunities.

Now, this info is out of date since I was in college ages ago, but I found OSU's facilities to be better than UW. The student center at UW is quite old, although it has a beautiful view of the lake. OSU has a brand new student center (2010) while UW has two (one around the same age and one much older) -- and the older one is undergoing renovation, which might mean it's not usable during your kid's time there. The gyms are comparable, but the libraries are not -- OSU's is also new and lovely, while Memorial Library at UW is an ancient, dark, somewhat terrifying building. It may have been renovated since I used it, but it doesn't look like it. That being said, I can't compare the dorms (no knowledge of either although I have heard OSU's suck) and I suspect most of the other facilities are similar.

I *think* OSU is easier to get into, so it could be a safety if you're considering UW.

Anyway. My two cents. UW is a great school and don't let DCUM people make you think it's a backwater that will doom your daughter to living in Wisconsin for the rest of her life.

First, there is nothing wrong with living in Wisconsin, and I wish that people would stop characterizing it that way. It is a beautiful state with wonderful people and a lot to do. We moved back after many years in DC and we are loving it and have never looked back. Also, the “old union” you talk about is an absolutely gorgeous 1920s building that was just fully renovated, so you are giving a bit of a false impression there.

That was said facetiously to address other commenters. Based on my many positive comments about UW and Wisconsin and Madison, I thought that was clear, but apparently not.

When I was there, Memorial Union was old. The website for it now does not talk about the renovations as though they were completed (nor does Wikipedia), but apparently they are according to you, so sorry, my bad.

How is an Ohio State facility built in 2010 “brand new.” That’s 11 years ago. Not to mention, Ohio State’s campus is one of the ugliest I have ever seen.

Defensive much?

I don't understand why you're taking such issue with my comments. In the world of University buildings, a facility completed a decade ago is new.

And, if you were to actually read my comments and not try to eviscerate anything I said that was even vaguely negative about UW, you'd see that I said that the area of Columbus around the university is much less nice than the area around UW. Also, if you want me to go into more detail about the ways I view UW as "superior" -- I think it's national academic reputation is better. I think that part of Wisconsin is much prettier than any part of Ohio. I do not think that OSU's central campus is particularly ugly and tend to think most Big 10 campuses look similar with some nice new buildings and some brutalist buildings, all of which are interspersed around grassy quads.

But fact of the matter is OP is seeking out a school like UW. I gave feedback. I offered an alternative school and pointed out some of its pros and cons (in my experience) as well. They're peer schools, and I think that's fair.

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UW is less than 3 percent black - both student and faculty. It’s pathetic. Even Iowa, the whitest state in America - has a larger percentage. No university in the US can call itself “diverse” with such a low percentage of AAs. A university that has rich white folks from all 50 states isn’t “diverse.” It’s white.

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Anonymous wrote:Most African-Americans in state prefer to attend UW-Milwaukee.

It isn't for lack of trying.

Why do you think they “prefer” UW-M? Maybe because UW-Madison isn’t welcoming to their kind? Even thought of that? Geez.

[Anonymous]

Lots of Nazis there...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of Nazis there...

Go away troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UW is less than 3 percent black - both student and faculty. It’s pathetic. Even Iowa, the whitest state in America - has a larger percentage. No university in the US can call itself “diverse” with such a low percentage of AAs. A university that has rich white folks from all 50 states isn’t “diverse.” It’s white.

Because all white people are exactly the same, right? Just one big white blob with nothing unique to offer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most African-Americans in state prefer to attend UW-Milwaukee.

It isn't for lack of trying.

Why do you think they “prefer” UW-M? Maybe because UW-Madison isn’t welcoming to their kind? Even thought of that? Geez.

“Their kind?”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't attend UW but I went to a SLAC in the general area and have spent some time in Madison and the surrounding area. That being said, I know of the academics/student life experience only through conversations with other students and reputation. I also went to grad school at OSU (which, if you like UW, you should also consider for a few reasons I'll articulate).

Pros: Excellent reputation nationally and regionally. Wisconsinites in particular are extremely proud of UW. It has a huge alumni network. Madison is a lively mid-sized city, and a state capitol, so it's well situated for students to get internships (I interned in the state house). You don't need a car to get around -- there are busses and most of the useful places are close to campus. That part of Wisconsin is quite pretty, with rolling hills and lots of trees, and Madison itself is also very pretty -- the campus is located between two lakes (more on that later). School spirit is amazing. State street has all of the college big hits (Urban Outfitters, small noodle restaurants, bookstores, etc) and is basically on campus.

Cons: My stereotype of Wisconsin education is that some of the lectures can be absolutely massive. This is fairly standard for big flagships, though. The physical campus is very large and you definitely need a bus to get from one end of it to the other, particularly if you're going to one of the special centers that are further from the central core. I live in Chicago and grew up in an even colder part of the country so weather is not a huge issue for me but the way the winds howl off of the lakes during the winter can be absolutely brutal. When I think of Madison -- and, remember, I went to college near Madison, I think of my eyelashes freezing as I walked from the bus stop to the Capitol. Someone said they don't get the lake effect snow... maybe that's right, but Madison definitely gets more snow than Chicago annually.

Also, Madison itself is nice, but kind of isolated. Yes, they have an airport. But... it's not a big one. You could fly out of Milwaukee or Chicago, but those are a bit of a trek to Madison. In any case, it's a healthy distance from the next major metro area. That being said, it has most everything you'd need. Bands do stop there.

Oh, and read about the Wisconsin state war on education. I know that hit UW hard, and faculty morale may not have recovered. There's quite a bit of anger.

There have been other threads comparing the two, but Columbus improves on Madison IMO in a few ways. The biggest is that Columbus (and Ohio) are much more diverse. Columbus is a larger city, although it doesn't feel huge. Columbus has milder weather generally AND the airport is much larger and better connected than Madison. You also can drive to it fairly easily from DC but it's definitely "a different part of the country." Columbus' area around OSU is definitely NOT as nice as Madison's, but Columbus is also a state capitol and has several large corporations based in town so has more job/internship opportunities.

Now, this info is out of date since I was in college ages ago, but I found OSU's facilities to be better than UW. The student center at UW is quite old, although it has a beautiful view of the lake. OSU has a brand new student center (2010) while UW has two (one around the same age and one much older) -- and the older one is undergoing renovation, which might mean it's not usable during your kid's time there. The gyms are comparable, but the libraries are not -- OSU's is also new and lovely, while Memorial Library at UW is an ancient, dark, somewhat terrifying building. It may have been renovated since I used it, but it doesn't look like it. That being said, I can't compare the dorms (no knowledge of either although I have heard OSU's suck) and I suspect most of the other facilities are similar.

I *think* OSU is easier to get into, so it could be a safety if you're considering UW.

Anyway. My two cents. UW is a great school and don't let DCUM people make you think it's a backwater that will doom your daughter to living in Wisconsin for the rest of her life.

First, there is nothing wrong with living in Wisconsin, and I wish that people would stop characterizing it that way. It is a beautiful state with wonderful people and a lot to do. We moved back after many years in DC and we are loving it and have never looked back. Also, the “old union” you talk about is an absolutely gorgeous 1920s building that was just fully renovated, so you are giving a bit of a false impression there.

That was said facetiously to address other commenters. Based on my many positive comments about UW and Wisconsin and Madison, I thought that was clear, but apparently not.

When I was there, Memorial Union was old. The website for it now does not talk about the renovations as though they were completed (nor does Wikipedia), but apparently they are according to you, so sorry, my bad.

How is an Ohio State facility built in 2010 “brand new.” That’s 11 years ago. Not to mention, Ohio State’s campus is one of the ugliest I have ever seen.

Well, then you’ve never seen George Mason.

[Anonymous]

DD is at UWmad now and is a POC. Although the school is much more white than she's used to, she has never felt uncomfortable yet (only a freshman). There are lots of programs geared for students of color and the diversity office provides many activities for students to help them have a smooth transition into university life.

DD seems to really enjoy her experience there so far. Academics seem pretty rigorous and there is a wide range of classes for every conceivable interest.

Her classes are a mix of huge lecture halls (with small discussions) and small classes. Huge lectures in auditorium don't seem to bother her as she can still get her questions answered during discussions or office hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD is at UWmad now and is a POC. Although the school is much more white than she's used to, she has never felt uncomfortable yet (only a freshman). There are lots of programs geared for students of color and the diversity office provides many activities for students to help them have a smooth transition into university life.

DD seems to really enjoy her experience there so far. Academics seem pretty rigorous and there is a wide range of classes for every conceivable interest.

Her classes are a mix of huge lecture halls (with small discussions) and small classes. Huge lectures in auditorium don't seem to bother her as she can still get her questions answered during discussions or office hours.

Glad she is enjoying her time there!

[Anonymous]

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I live in Chicago and went to college in Wisconsin and totally disagree. Chicago is milder than Madison.

That being said, I think that weather is kind of a dumb reason to choose a college.

As for the bus to O'Hare -- the Van Galder. Yes, I am *very* familiar with the Van Galder. Just as a note, since 10$ makes it sound like it's just a hop, skip, and jump from the airport, that's a 2 hour one way journey from O'Hare to Madison. In no traffic. Yes, you can fly. But, since this was when I was talking about a "negative" aspect of Madison, I do think it's fair to point out that UW is not particularly well connected by air -- it just isn't.

And as for Memorial Library -- I spent *many* hours studying for the GRE there in essentially a cage, and a piece of ceiling fell on me. It is not a nice library, particularly when compared to OSU's brand new library.
https://www.library.wisc.edu/memorial/spaces/study-places/carrels/

Yes, there are other libraries. But that's the main one.

And, again, I *like* UW. I would encourage smart students interested in a big school to consider it. But, I'm allowed to have different reactions to some aspects of the university and city.

You might like it but you clearly have a bone to pick.

1) Madison is just as connected as Columbus to the various hub airports.
2) Van Galder bus is super easy, has wifi and yes, it is 2 hours. No one suggested anything different.
3) Chicago has lake effect weather. Madison doesn't. Minor nit.
4) You chose to study in the cages. They are cages for a reason. There are big study rooms, small study rooms and lots of options. I am not sure why you would complain about a conscious choice to study in the stacks on half floors.

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Anonymous wrote:Most African-Americans in state prefer to attend UW-Milwaukee.

It isn't for lack of trying.

Why do you think they “prefer” UW-M? Maybe because UW-Madison isn’t welcoming to their kind? Even thought of that? Geez.

Their kind? WTF

Maybe because it is cheaper to be in a commuter situation for school?