The entire AAP program should be eliminated

[Anonymous]

As an old, old, old parent of 20-somethings, it seems that the AAP kids really haven’t done anything more post-high school, than the kids who didn’t have a center based education.

I know center kids who dropped out of college and seem to be stagnating.

The kids “left behind” figured out what it took to be successful in college and the job market.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an old, old, old parent of 20-somethings, it seems that the AAP kids really haven’t done anything more post-high school, than the kids who didn’t have a center based education.

I know center kids who dropped out of college and seem to be stagnating.

The kids “left behind” figured out what it took to be successful in college and the job market.

It's good if AAP allows kids to succeed in high school, college, and beyond, obviously. But it's mostly about preventing kids from stagnating in elementary school.

[Anonymous]

Can someone tell me if AAP is different for any other subject other than math. My child is in AAP in a center school and every Friday the teacher sends out a weekly agenda for the following week. The only thing different is the AAP math and GE math. Everything else is the pretty much the same and they cover the same topics in Reading, science and social studies. So why is there a need for AAP when the only thing different is advanced math.

I do agree that math is indeed quite accelerated and they have a unit test every two weeks. They have already covered a lot in the past 6 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me if AAP is different for any other subject other than math. My child is in AAP in a center school and every Friday the teacher sends out a weekly agenda for the following week. The only thing different is the AAP math and GE math. Everything else is the pretty much the same and they cover the same topics in Reading, science and social studies. So why is there a need for AAP when the only thing different is advanced math.

I do agree that math is indeed quite accelerated and they have a unit test every two weeks. They have already covered a lot in the past 6 weeks.

The content is the same but materials and certain curriculum is not. It also is a faster pace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me if AAP is different for any other subject other than math. My child is in AAP in a center school and every Friday the teacher sends out a weekly agenda for the following week. The only thing different is the AAP math and GE math. Everything else is the pretty much the same and they cover the same topics in Reading, science and social studies. So why is there a need for AAP when the only thing different is advanced math.

I do agree that math is indeed quite accelerated and they have a unit test every two weeks. They have already covered a lot in the past 6 weeks.

Some center schools teach the gen ed LA/S/SS curriculum to all students, some teach the AAP LA/S/SS curriculum to all students, and some teach the gen ed curriculum to the gen ed students and the AAP curriculum to the AAP students.

So it depends on the school.

[Anonymous]

“ The Gen Ed program needs revamping. How we deal with ESOL and SPED needs revamping as well. I personally believe should be self contained offerings in ES. In middle school ESOL level 1-3 have ESOL classes in all core subject areas. Kids in ES are lucky to meet for 15 mins with a teacher. The rest often falls on teacher. SPED students should be able to be in class if it is the least restrictive environment but sometimes it is not, but parents can choose to avoid self contained placement. It is really hard for a kid with severe behavior to be removed from GenEd and into a different placement or school. ”

+1
I think this is the main problem eliminating AAP will not fix it.

[Anonymous]

Those who are anti AAP are usually those whose kid didnt get in and want everyone to miss out on advanced instruction. Instead they should focus on improving general ed or just go private.

[Anonymous]

Starting with the first point on this chain, NYC's likely next mayor, Eric Adams, has already said G&T will continue in NY.

As someone who was a product of a specialized/honors high school in NYC, many of my fellow students were lifted to incredible heights by the honors education they received. It opened doors, allowed them to start college with 12-18 college credits (saving them thousands of dollars).

The answer to equality is not telling everyone to sit down. The answer is finding ways to lift folks up and giving them a chance to achieve more than they would have otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those who are anti AAP are usually those whose kid didnt get in and want everyone to miss out on advanced instruction. Instead they should focus on improving general ed or just go private.

I'm anti-AAP, and my kids did get in. The program is so watered down and so mildly advanced that it doesn't seem to serve a purpose. I'm in favor of a real gifted program. I'm not in favor of mildly advanced programs serving somewhat above average kids with pushy parents and leaving behind equally talented kids with parents who don't work the system. Advanced math and somewhat above grade level reading groups should be able to be handled in gen ed. AAP should be for kids beyond that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who are anti AAP are usually those whose kid didnt get in and want everyone to miss out on advanced instruction. Instead they should focus on improving general ed or just go private.

I'm anti-AAP, and my kids did get in. The program is so watered down and so mildly advanced that it doesn't seem to serve a purpose. I'm in favor of a real gifted program. I'm not in favor of mildly advanced programs serving somewhat above average kids with pushy parents and leaving behind equally talented kids with parents who don't work the system. Advanced math and somewhat above grade level reading groups should be able to be handled in gen ed. AAP should be for kids beyond that.

Correction to the first PP here - there are TWO types of people who are anti AAP. Those whose kids didn't get in & the people like this PP here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who are anti AAP are usually those whose kid didnt get in and want everyone to miss out on advanced instruction. Instead they should focus on improving general ed or just go private.

I'm anti-AAP, and my kids did get in. The program is so watered down and so mildly advanced that it doesn't seem to serve a purpose. I'm in favor of a real gifted program. I'm not in favor of mildly advanced programs serving somewhat above average kids with pushy parents and leaving behind equally talented kids with parents who don't work the system. Advanced math and somewhat above grade level reading groups should be able to be handled in gen ed. AAP should be for kids beyond that.

Correction to the first PP here - there are TWO types of people who are anti AAP. Those whose kids didn't get in & the people like this PP here.

Yep, and the percentage of AAP parents who think their own kids fall in the "real gifted" or "truly gifted" category is likely well over 50%. Just wait until their kids are the ones who don't make the cut for the pared-back program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those who are anti AAP are usually those whose kid didnt get in and want everyone to miss out on advanced instruction. Instead they should focus on improving general ed or just go private.

Really? Well, I felt those who were for it were the same people that miss segregation since that's about all AAP is these days.

[Anonymous]

Last year DC's teacher told me in writing that she hadn't been able to do a reading group with him (or others in his group) for FIVE WEEKS. Because she had to "focus where the need is."

In what world is this a free and appropriate education for my child or others in his group? This happened after they finally were able to resume inperson learning.

Meanwhile, in gen ed, the lower reading groups received daily meetings as well as help from an interventionist or reading specialist.

For those arguing that AAP should be tossed for bestowing special attention on some, you feel the same way about remedial services, which also result in special privileges to the detriment of others?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is classist, racist, and inequitable.

We need to follow NYC’s lead and get rid of AAP:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1006426.page

Stop calling racist to anyone or anything just because it is white or there is a majority of people from other race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who are anti AAP are usually those whose kid didnt get in and want everyone to miss out on advanced instruction. Instead they should focus on improving general ed or just go private.

Really? Well, I felt those who were for it were the same people that miss segregation since that's about all AAP is these days.

No - I have a 2E kid who it’s good for but hey holier than thou - news flash - with your attitude - you don’t care about special needs!