Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not think Baldoni's "receipts" disprove Blake's allegations. In some cases, they actually confirm them. Others aren't addressed at all. The video they released shows a visibly uncomfortable Lively repeatedly asking for their characters to be talking and dancing while Baldoni insists more physical closeness than is scripted or than Lively is comfortable with. The voice memo he released is a rambling Baldoni who clearly knows he's crossed lines and been inappropriate, apologizing but also continuing to overshare and say weird things, sent at 2am. His timeline repeatedly confirms some of her allegations.

There are some details where they allege different facts, but he does NOT have receipts for them, or at least hasn't shared them. Yet repeatedly people take his word over her even though neither has released video footage or pictures or other evidence that would prove one or the other wrong.

It's really fascinating to me. It's fairly obvious that he was inappropriate on the set -- he admits it himself multiple times, his publicist (Jen Abel) confirms it in text messages to others, he cycles through a variety of excuses for his behavior (neurodivergence, being intimidated by Lively's fame, misunderstandings) but when discussing the details of the allegations, he rarely offers a clear "no I didn't do that." Instead it will be contextualization that muddies the waters.

There also are apparently allegations from Slate and potential one or more other actresses on set. This might just be Robyn Lively, Blake's sister, but might include Isabella Ferrer. We don't know for sure and it might be a bit before we find out. But that's 3-4 different women on the set with complaints about Baldoni's or Heath's behavior. If 3-4 women in your workplace had told you that a man you work with was inappropriate and made them uncomfortable, would you assume he was 100% innocent and being wrongly accused? Or would you think "huh, even if these individual incidents don't each sound that bad, together maybe this guy has an issue"? I would think the latter.

I don't know if all Lively's allegations together will add up to whatever the legal definition of sexual harassment is. I think the alleged retaliation is more clearcut and looks bad. She could still lose though, I don't. I think it's always a risk bringing a case like this unless the allegations are REALLY bad. Whereas this sounds more run of the mill and a jury might decide there's no liability. I think that's possible. I really don't feel I have all the facts.

But based on what we do know, I don't understand the people caping for Baldoni like he's some wronged victim. He clearly mismanaged this set, did some weird and inappropriate things, and made several women uncomfortable. He might not be a sexual harasser but he is, at a minimum, not a great director and maybe shouldn't be in charge of big sets like this. Some people do not have the people skills for a job like that. He might be one of them. And I do think he put himself in this situation by promoting himself as an advocate for women and someone who listens to women, and deciding to direct a movie with domestic violence and women's empowerment themes. Even if he's not a sexual harasser, he strikes me as tone deaf, arrogant, and a bad boss. It's not like the allegations against him have been totally made up. This stuff happened, they just exist in this gray area where it's not clear if it constitutes harassment or not. A jury will have to figure that out.

Baldoni is not an innocent victim, it is so wild to me that some people see it that way. Were it not for his own bad and weird choices, he would not be in this situation regardless of Blake's actions.

No other victims have come forward. That’s all speculation. Sources close to Isabella said Blake wanted to drag her into this to back up her allegations, but she couldn’t do that because she didn’t see it with her own eyes. Those sources say she feels shafted by Blake and removing her pictures was no accident. Jenny Slate hasn’t come forward, and if the rumors are true, her alleged complaint does not equal SH. If you go to someone playing the mother card and asking for a better apartment for your toddler, you cannot then cry sexual harassment when they give you the money for the new apartment while emphasizing the importance of motherhood. These allegations are absolutely outrageous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not think Baldoni's "receipts" disprove Blake's allegations. In some cases, they actually confirm them. Others aren't addressed at all. The video they released shows a visibly uncomfortable Lively repeatedly asking for their characters to be talking and dancing while Baldoni insists more physical closeness than is scripted or than Lively is comfortable with. The voice memo he released is a rambling Baldoni who clearly knows he's crossed lines and been inappropriate, apologizing but also continuing to overshare and say weird things, sent at 2am. His timeline repeatedly confirms some of her allegations.

There are some details where they allege different facts, but he does NOT have receipts for them, or at least hasn't shared them. Yet repeatedly people take his word over her even though neither has released video footage or pictures or other evidence that would prove one or the other wrong.

It's really fascinating to me. It's fairly obvious that he was inappropriate on the set -- he admits it himself multiple times, his publicist (Jen Abel) confirms it in text messages to others, he cycles through a variety of excuses for his behavior (neurodivergence, being intimidated by Lively's fame, misunderstandings) but when discussing the details of the allegations, he rarely offers a clear "no I didn't do that." Instead it will be contextualization that muddies the waters.

There also are apparently allegations from Slate and potential one or more other actresses on set. This might just be Robyn Lively, Blake's sister, but might include Isabella Ferrer. We don't know for sure and it might be a bit before we find out. But that's 3-4 different women on the set with complaints about Baldoni's or Heath's behavior. If 3-4 women in your workplace had told you that a man you work with was inappropriate and made them uncomfortable, would you assume he was 100% innocent and being wrongly accused? Or would you think "huh, even if these individual incidents don't each sound that bad, together maybe this guy has an issue"? I would think the latter.

I don't know if all Lively's allegations together will add up to whatever the legal definition of sexual harassment is. I think the alleged retaliation is more clearcut and looks bad. She could still lose though, I don't. I think it's always a risk bringing a case like this unless the allegations are REALLY bad. Whereas this sounds more run of the mill and a jury might decide there's no liability. I think that's possible. I really don't feel I have all the facts.

But based on what we do know, I don't understand the people caping for Baldoni like he's some wronged victim. He clearly mismanaged this set, did some weird and inappropriate things, and made several women uncomfortable. He might not be a sexual harasser but he is, at a minimum, not a great director and maybe shouldn't be in charge of big sets like this. Some people do not have the people skills for a job like that. He might be one of them. And I do think he put himself in this situation by promoting himself as an advocate for women and someone who listens to women, and deciding to direct a movie with domestic violence and women's empowerment themes. Even if he's not a sexual harasser, he strikes me as tone deaf, arrogant, and a bad boss. It's not like the allegations against him have been totally made up. This stuff happened, they just exist in this gray area where it's not clear if it constitutes harassment or not. A jury will have to figure that out.

Baldoni is not an innocent victim, it is so wild to me that some people see it that way. Were it not for his own bad and weird choices, he would not be in this situation regardless of Blake's actions.

I don’t understand why you (and maybe one other poster?) keep posting as if Baldoni supporters love him or think he did nothing wrong.

It’s pretty clear he let Blake walk all over him and was way too passive. He has a lot to learn as a director. But that doesn’t change that he clearly, and with receipts, did not SH her. And it doesn’t change the fact that he was clearly a victim of harassment, extortion, and bullying by Blake and her husband.

This is one of the most public celebrity couples in Hollywood, and other than SNL and a few selfies, they have laid low because they know what is going on and they know the public is very against them. They don’t have any public supporters, including Bestie Taylor, who is known to stand up for women who are going through a tough time.

She and the Jonas brother’s ex were not even that close and hadn’t been photographed together in years. But when she was having a tough time during the divorce announcement, Taylor purposely was seen in public with her. Taylor is Blake’s kids godmother, and nothing. And we are at eight months and counting.

They’ve lost. Sorry, but they’ve lost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder that your hero Justin Baldoni was sued by a black man after luring him to work on his podcast and then fired him when he would not make black guests perform their blackness on the podcast as Wayfarer wanted them to do. This is another case where your guy Baldoni talks big about supporting a class of people like women or minorities (of victims of cystic fibrosis, who have also sued him) in his book or in his podcast but then in reality does not understand how to actually behave and mistreats them in a way that is illegal.

Red herring. No one knows what you’re even rambling about, and as a black person, I’m offended. You’re trying to distract from an otherwise important conversation about how white women have weaponized society’s tendency to believe anything they say. This bias has harmed many black men.

What are you talking about? Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer were sued by a former employee, who was black, who they hired with promises of a long term position, where apparently Steve Sarowitz (yup, that guy!) told him “we need somebody here who looks like you.” Then he objected to the issues that Wayfarer wanted a black guest on the podcast to discuss, because it treated that guest as a token. Then he got demoted, fired, and denied severance even though non-black people who had been fired by Wayfarer were provided severance. His discrimination lawsuit against Baldoni and Wayfarer alleged that they had showed “a pattern of sidelining and tokenizing people of color.” The case was apparently settled when they paid him off with $150,000.

Wayfarer has also been sued by a man who died of cystic fibrosis, Travis Flores. Flores was represented in his suit by Bryan Freedman. Flores had written a screenplay called Three Feet Apart which was also a love story about two people with cystic fibrosis, just like the screenplay Baldoni used in Five Feet Apart! Freedman convinced Flores he didn’t have a case, and he died, and within six months of that Freedman became Baldoni’s lawyer! It’s such a strange coincidence.

In this way, Baldoni shows a pattern of caring about people, but actually just wants to use them, and doesn’t really understand the rules of fair treatment, and then gets caught.

Guess you don’t know the definition of red herring

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not think Baldoni's "receipts" disprove Blake's allegations. In some cases, they actually confirm them. Others aren't addressed at all. The video they released shows a visibly uncomfortable Lively repeatedly asking for their characters to be talking and dancing while Baldoni insists more physical closeness than is scripted or than Lively is comfortable with. The voice memo he released is a rambling Baldoni who clearly knows he's crossed lines and been inappropriate, apologizing but also continuing to overshare and say weird things, sent at 2am. His timeline repeatedly confirms some of her allegations.

There are some details where they allege different facts, but he does NOT have receipts for them, or at least hasn't shared them. Yet repeatedly people take his word over her even though neither has released video footage or pictures or other evidence that would prove one or the other wrong.

It's really fascinating to me. It's fairly obvious that he was inappropriate on the set -- he admits it himself multiple times, his publicist (Jen Abel) confirms it in text messages to others, he cycles through a variety of excuses for his behavior (neurodivergence, being intimidated by Lively's fame, misunderstandings) but when discussing the details of the allegations, he rarely offers a clear "no I didn't do that." Instead it will be contextualization that muddies the waters.

There also are apparently allegations from Slate and potential one or more other actresses on set. This might just be Robyn Lively, Blake's sister, but might include Isabella Ferrer. We don't know for sure and it might be a bit before we find out. But that's 3-4 different women on the set with complaints about Baldoni's or Heath's behavior. If 3-4 women in your workplace had told you that a man you work with was inappropriate and made them uncomfortable, would you assume he was 100% innocent and being wrongly accused? Or would you think "huh, even if these individual incidents don't each sound that bad, together maybe this guy has an issue"? I would think the latter.

I don't know if all Lively's allegations together will add up to whatever the legal definition of sexual harassment is. I think the alleged retaliation is more clearcut and looks bad. She could still lose though, I don't. I think it's always a risk bringing a case like this unless the allegations are REALLY bad. Whereas this sounds more run of the mill and a jury might decide there's no liability. I think that's possible. I really don't feel I have all the facts.

But based on what we do know, I don't understand the people caping for Baldoni like he's some wronged victim. He clearly mismanaged this set, did some weird and inappropriate things, and made several women uncomfortable. He might not be a sexual harasser but he is, at a minimum, not a great director and maybe shouldn't be in charge of big sets like this. Some people do not have the people skills for a job like that. He might be one of them. And I do think he put himself in this situation by promoting himself as an advocate for women and someone who listens to women, and deciding to direct a movie with domestic violence and women's empowerment themes. Even if he's not a sexual harasser, he strikes me as tone deaf, arrogant, and a bad boss. It's not like the allegations against him have been totally made up. This stuff happened, they just exist in this gray area where it's not clear if it constitutes harassment or not. A jury will have to figure that out.

Baldoni is not an innocent victim, it is so wild to me that some people see it that way. Were it not for his own bad and weird choices, he would not be in this situation regardless of Blake's actions.

Yes. I agree with all of this, but especially the last two paragraphs. A certain view on this board is that Lively and Reynolds are evil villains that are cruelly mistreating Prince Baldoni. That is not reality. Baldoni made mistakes on set, and then he doubled down in hiring this PR firm that he was concerned wasn’t going far enough to protect him. Those were mistakes by him. He is not some hero to women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder that your hero Justin Baldoni was sued by a black man after luring him to work on his podcast and then fired him when he would not make black guests perform their blackness on the podcast as Wayfarer wanted them to do. This is another case where your guy Baldoni talks big about supporting a class of people like women or minorities (of victims of cystic fibrosis, who have also sued him) in his book or in his podcast but then in reality does not understand how to actually behave and mistreats them in a way that is illegal.

Red herring. No one knows what you’re even rambling about, and as a black person, I’m offended. You’re trying to distract from an otherwise important conversation about how white women have weaponized society’s tendency to believe anything they say. This bias has harmed many black men.

What are you talking about? Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer were sued by a former employee, who was black, who they hired with promises of a long term position, where apparently Steve Sarowitz (yup, that guy!) told him “we need somebody here who looks like you.” Then he objected to the issues that Wayfarer wanted a black guest on the podcast to discuss, because it treated that guest as a token. Then he got demoted, fired, and denied severance even though non-black people who had been fired by Wayfarer were provided severance. His discrimination lawsuit against Baldoni and Wayfarer alleged that they had showed “a pattern of sidelining and tokenizing people of color.” The case was apparently settled when they paid him off with $150,000.

Wayfarer has also been sued by a man who died of cystic fibrosis, Travis Flores. Flores was represented in his suit by Bryan Freedman. Flores had written a screenplay called Three Feet Apart which was also a love story about two people with cystic fibrosis, just like the screenplay Baldoni used in Five Feet Apart! Freedman convinced Flores he didn’t have a case, and he died, and within six months of that Freedman became Baldoni’s lawyer! It’s such a strange coincidence.

In this way, Baldoni shows a pattern of caring about people, but actually just wants to use them, and doesn’t really understand the rules of fair treatment, and then gets caught.

Guess you don’t know the definition of red herring

Baldoni was sued for racial discrimination. The case was settled for $150,000. As far as I am aware, Lively has not been sued, much less paid out a settlement, for racial discrimination. Wave around a small fish if you like. These are just the facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder that your hero Justin Baldoni was sued by a black man after luring him to work on his podcast and then fired him when he would not make black guests perform their blackness on the podcast as Wayfarer wanted them to do. This is another case where your guy Baldoni talks big about supporting a class of people like women or minorities (of victims of cystic fibrosis, who have also sued him) in his book or in his podcast but then in reality does not understand how to actually behave and mistreats them in a way that is illegal.

Red herring. No one knows what you’re even rambling about, and as a black person, I’m offended. You’re trying to distract from an otherwise important conversation about how white women have weaponized society’s tendency to believe anything they say. This bias has harmed many black men.

What are you talking about? Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer were sued by a former employee, who was black, who they hired with promises of a long term position, where apparently Steve Sarowitz (yup, that guy!) told him “we need somebody here who looks like you.” Then he objected to the issues that Wayfarer wanted a black guest on the podcast to discuss, because it treated that guest as a token. Then he got demoted, fired, and denied severance even though non-black people who had been fired by Wayfarer were provided severance. His discrimination lawsuit against Baldoni and Wayfarer alleged that they had showed “a pattern of sidelining and tokenizing people of color.” The case was apparently settled when they paid him off with $150,000.

Wayfarer has also been sued by a man who died of cystic fibrosis, Travis Flores. Flores was represented in his suit by Bryan Freedman. Flores had written a screenplay called Three Feet Apart which was also a love story about two people with cystic fibrosis, just like the screenplay Baldoni used in Five Feet Apart! Freedman convinced Flores he didn’t have a case, and he died, and within six months of that Freedman became Baldoni’s lawyer! It’s such a strange coincidence.

In this way, Baldoni shows a pattern of caring about people, but actually just wants to use them, and doesn’t really understand the rules of fair treatment, and then gets caught.

Guess you don’t know the definition of red herring

Baldoni was sued for racial discrimination. The case was settled for $150,000. As far as I am aware, Lively has not been sued, much less paid out a settlement, for racial discrimination. Wave around a small fish if you like. These are just the facts.

Indeed, even Wayfarer's pleadings and motions, which grasp at straws on conspiracy, don't even allege Lively had racial motives in accusing Heath. Maybe it will be added to the road map.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder that your hero Justin Baldoni was sued by a black man after luring him to work on his podcast and then fired him when he would not make black guests perform their blackness on the podcast as Wayfarer wanted them to do. This is another case where your guy Baldoni talks big about supporting a class of people like women or minorities (of victims of cystic fibrosis, who have also sued him) in his book or in his podcast but then in reality does not understand how to actually behave and mistreats them in a way that is illegal.

Red herring. No one knows what you’re even rambling about, and as a black person, I’m offended. You’re trying to distract from an otherwise important conversation about how white women have weaponized society’s tendency to believe anything they say. This bias has harmed many black men.

What are you talking about? Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer were sued by a former employee, who was black, who they hired with promises of a long term position, where apparently Steve Sarowitz (yup, that guy!) told him “we need somebody here who looks like you.” Then he objected to the issues that Wayfarer wanted a black guest on the podcast to discuss, because it treated that guest as a token. Then he got demoted, fired, and denied severance even though non-black people who had been fired by Wayfarer were provided severance. His discrimination lawsuit against Baldoni and Wayfarer alleged that they had showed “a pattern of sidelining and tokenizing people of color.” The case was apparently settled when they paid him off with $150,000.

Wayfarer has also been sued by a man who died of cystic fibrosis, Travis Flores. Flores was represented in his suit by Bryan Freedman. Flores had written a screenplay called Three Feet Apart which was also a love story about two people with cystic fibrosis, just like the screenplay Baldoni used in Five Feet Apart! Freedman convinced Flores he didn’t have a case, and he died, and within six months of that Freedman became Baldoni’s lawyer! It’s such a strange coincidence.

In this way, Baldoni shows a pattern of caring about people, but actually just wants to use them, and doesn’t really understand the rules of fair treatment, and then gets caught.

Guess you don’t know the definition of red herring

DP. IMO the red herring is making something of Heath's race when Lively has similar complaints about several other men who are not black.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not think Baldoni's "receipts" disprove Blake's allegations. In some cases, they actually confirm them. Others aren't addressed at all. The video they released shows a visibly uncomfortable Lively repeatedly asking for their characters to be talking and dancing while Baldoni insists more physical closeness than is scripted or than Lively is comfortable with. The voice memo he released is a rambling Baldoni who clearly knows he's crossed lines and been inappropriate, apologizing but also continuing to overshare and say weird things, sent at 2am. His timeline repeatedly confirms some of her allegations.

There are some details where they allege different facts, but he does NOT have receipts for them, or at least hasn't shared them. Yet repeatedly people take his word over her even though neither has released video footage or pictures or other evidence that would prove one or the other wrong.

It's really fascinating to me. It's fairly obvious that he was inappropriate on the set -- he admits it himself multiple times, his publicist (Jen Abel) confirms it in text messages to others, he cycles through a variety of excuses for his behavior (neurodivergence, being intimidated by Lively's fame, misunderstandings) but when discussing the details of the allegations, he rarely offers a clear "no I didn't do that." Instead it will be contextualization that muddies the waters.

There also are apparently allegations from Slate and potential one or more other actresses on set. This might just be Robyn Lively, Blake's sister, but might include Isabella Ferrer. We don't know for sure and it might be a bit before we find out. But that's 3-4 different women on the set with complaints about Baldoni's or Heath's behavior. If 3-4 women in your workplace had told you that a man you work with was inappropriate and made them uncomfortable, would you assume he was 100% innocent and being wrongly accused? Or would you think "huh, even if these individual incidents don't each sound that bad, together maybe this guy has an issue"? I would think the latter.

I don't know if all Lively's allegations together will add up to whatever the legal definition of sexual harassment is. I think the alleged retaliation is more clearcut and looks bad. She could still lose though, I don't. I think it's always a risk bringing a case like this unless the allegations are REALLY bad. Whereas this sounds more run of the mill and a jury might decide there's no liability. I think that's possible. I really don't feel I have all the facts.

But based on what we do know, I don't understand the people caping for Baldoni like he's some wronged victim. He clearly mismanaged this set, did some weird and inappropriate things, and made several women uncomfortable. He might not be a sexual harasser but he is, at a minimum, not a great director and maybe shouldn't be in charge of big sets like this. Some people do not have the people skills for a job like that. He might be one of them. And I do think he put himself in this situation by promoting himself as an advocate for women and someone who listens to women, and deciding to direct a movie with domestic violence and women's empowerment themes. Even if he's not a sexual harasser, he strikes me as tone deaf, arrogant, and a bad boss. It's not like the allegations against him have been totally made up. This stuff happened, they just exist in this gray area where it's not clear if it constitutes harassment or not. A jury will have to figure that out.

Baldoni is not an innocent victim, it is so wild to me that some people see it that way. Were it not for his own bad and weird choices, he would not be in this situation regardless of Blake's actions.

Yes. I agree with all of this, but especially the last two paragraphs. A certain view on this board is that Lively and Reynolds are evil villains that are cruelly mistreating Prince Baldoni. That is not reality. Baldoni made mistakes on set, and then he doubled down in hiring this PR firm that he was concerned wasn’t going far enough to protect him. Those were mistakes by him. He is not some hero to women.

And by the same token, neither is Blake. For a handful of women, perhaps. But for the majority of us, nah.

Blake Lively created and stepped into this mess. The constant barking of “it was not a totally professionally run set!” Can someone please explain to me the standards of a professionally run set, and then show me how Baldoni’s set was the only set that has ever shown any signs of not being complete to standard?

Im sure that every set has some challenges. It seems like par for the course. But you Lively supporters (or that one supporter) makes it seem like negligence was at every turn and that sexual harassment was occurring all over the set. That’s more like an unprofessionally run set, not an ambiguous glance or unscripted kiss (not kisses, but kiss) without an intimacy coordinator there watching it all.

Or being “clearly uncomfortable” when rehearsing a scene. For all we know she was experiencing post partum symptoms or had gas or something probably unrelated to the acting moment. But from the way Blake flat out exaggerates or lies about happenings, anything could have been the cause of her discomfort. I wouldn’t put it past her to weave another false tale to hint a causation by Baldoni.

In my eyes, as for many, there is just no redemption for Blake Lively.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not think Baldoni's "receipts" disprove Blake's allegations. In some cases, they actually confirm them. Others aren't addressed at all. The video they released shows a visibly uncomfortable Lively repeatedly asking for their characters to be talking and dancing while Baldoni insists more physical closeness than is scripted or than Lively is comfortable with. The voice memo he released is a rambling Baldoni who clearly knows he's crossed lines and been inappropriate, apologizing but also continuing to overshare and say weird things, sent at 2am. His timeline repeatedly confirms some of her allegations.

There are some details where they allege different facts, but he does NOT have receipts for them, or at least hasn't shared them. Yet repeatedly people take his word over her even though neither has released video footage or pictures or other evidence that would prove one or the other wrong.

It's really fascinating to me. It's fairly obvious that he was inappropriate on the set -- he admits it himself multiple times, his publicist (Jen Abel) confirms it in text messages to others, he cycles through a variety of excuses for his behavior (neurodivergence, being intimidated by Lively's fame, misunderstandings) but when discussing the details of the allegations, he rarely offers a clear "no I didn't do that." Instead it will be contextualization that muddies the waters.

There also are apparently allegations from Slate and potential one or more other actresses on set. This might just be Robyn Lively, Blake's sister, but might include Isabella Ferrer. We don't know for sure and it might be a bit before we find out. But that's 3-4 different women on the set with complaints about Baldoni's or Heath's behavior. If 3-4 women in your workplace had told you that a man you work with was inappropriate and made them uncomfortable, would you assume he was 100% innocent and being wrongly accused? Or would you think "huh, even if these individual incidents don't each sound that bad, together maybe this guy has an issue"? I would think the latter.

I don't know if all Lively's allegations together will add up to whatever the legal definition of sexual harassment is. I think the alleged retaliation is more clearcut and looks bad. She could still lose though, I don't. I think it's always a risk bringing a case like this unless the allegations are REALLY bad. Whereas this sounds more run of the mill and a jury might decide there's no liability. I think that's possible. I really don't feel I have all the facts.

But based on what we do know, I don't understand the people caping for Baldoni like he's some wronged victim. He clearly mismanaged this set, did some weird and inappropriate things, and made several women uncomfortable. He might not be a sexual harasser but he is, at a minimum, not a great director and maybe shouldn't be in charge of big sets like this. Some people do not have the people skills for a job like that. He might be one of them. And I do think he put himself in this situation by promoting himself as an advocate for women and someone who listens to women, and deciding to direct a movie with domestic violence and women's empowerment themes. Even if he's not a sexual harasser, he strikes me as tone deaf, arrogant, and a bad boss. It's not like the allegations against him have been totally made up. This stuff happened, they just exist in this gray area where it's not clear if it constitutes harassment or not. A jury will have to figure that out.

Baldoni is not an innocent victim, it is so wild to me that some people see it that way. Were it not for his own bad and weird choices, he would not be in this situation regardless of Blake's actions.

I don’t understand why you (and maybe one other poster?) keep posting as if Baldoni supporters love him or think he did nothing wrong.

It’s pretty clear he let Blake walk all over him and was way too passive. He has a lot to learn as a director. But that doesn’t change that he clearly, and with receipts, did not SH her. And it doesn’t change the fact that he was clearly a victim of harassment, extortion, and bullying by Blake and her husband.

This is one of the most public celebrity couples in Hollywood, and other than SNL and a few selfies, they have laid low because they know what is going on and they know the public is very against them. They don’t have any public supporters, including Bestie Taylor, who is known to stand up for women who are going through a tough time.

She and the Jonas brother’s ex were not even that close and hadn’t been photographed together in years. But when she was having a tough time during the divorce announcement, Taylor purposely was seen in public with her. Taylor is Blake’s kids godmother, and nothing. And we are at eight months and counting.

They’ve lost. Sorry, but they’ve lost.

This just seems scattered. Who care's about Taylor Swift's relationship with a Jonas brother's ex? It's irrelevant. Also, I know this might shock some people, but I don't actually view Taylor Swift's opinion on this case as important. I don't really care about her friendship with Blake. This stuff is just idle gossip to me.

If you can look at this case and see that obviously Baldoni did some stuff that is not great, even if it falls short of sexual harassment, I simply don't understand the die hard posts in his favor, people saying that Blake is crazy not to settle (like, pay him money? for what exactly? she directly contests all of his allegations against her) or that "she's lost," I'm honestly confused.

Is Blake Lively a terrific person who deserves nothing but flowers and rainbows? No, not at all. She also did some weird stuff in this case and I think is not entirely innocent. But it also seems like Baldoni did some inappropriate things and that Blake's anger with him is genuine -- I truly do not think she is just making up stories to "steal" a movie, especially when the movie actually still belongs to Wayfarer and they made a metric ton of money off of it, so that theory makes no sense whatsoever.

So we have two imperfect people, a really intriguing set of facts that might come down to perceptions of behavior and what third parties say and a lot of context, most of which I honestly do not think we have yet. That's interesting! But I simply don't get the Team JB or Team BL approach, and I definitely don't get why people are talking about this random gossip about people who are, at best, barely involved in this case. Like Swift or Hugh Jackman. The whole Harvey Weinstein commentary this last week was also dumb -- who cares what that old sh*tstain thinks about literally anything?

[Anonymous]

I don’t think anyone here is arguing the case because they are an actual Blake Lively fan. I never watched gossip girl. I thought simple favor was fine. I mostly dislike Freedman a lot because I know other lawyers with his qualities and they are the absolute worst.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not think Baldoni's "receipts" disprove Blake's allegations. In some cases, they actually confirm them. Others aren't addressed at all. The video they released shows a visibly uncomfortable Lively repeatedly asking for their characters to be talking and dancing while Baldoni insists more physical closeness than is scripted or than Lively is comfortable with. The voice memo he released is a rambling Baldoni who clearly knows he's crossed lines and been inappropriate, apologizing but also continuing to overshare and say weird things, sent at 2am. His timeline repeatedly confirms some of her allegations.

There are some details where they allege different facts, but he does NOT have receipts for them, or at least hasn't shared them. Yet repeatedly people take his word over her even though neither has released video footage or pictures or other evidence that would prove one or the other wrong.

It's really fascinating to me. It's fairly obvious that he was inappropriate on the set -- he admits it himself multiple times, his publicist (Jen Abel) confirms it in text messages to others, he cycles through a variety of excuses for his behavior (neurodivergence, being intimidated by Lively's fame, misunderstandings) but when discussing the details of the allegations, he rarely offers a clear "no I didn't do that." Instead it will be contextualization that muddies the waters.

There also are apparently allegations from Slate and potential one or more other actresses on set. This might just be Robyn Lively, Blake's sister, but might include Isabella Ferrer. We don't know for sure and it might be a bit before we find out. But that's 3-4 different women on the set with complaints about Baldoni's or Heath's behavior. If 3-4 women in your workplace had told you that a man you work with was inappropriate and made them uncomfortable, would you assume he was 100% innocent and being wrongly accused? Or would you think "huh, even if these individual incidents don't each sound that bad, together maybe this guy has an issue"? I would think the latter.

I don't know if all Lively's allegations together will add up to whatever the legal definition of sexual harassment is. I think the alleged retaliation is more clearcut and looks bad. She could still lose though, I don't. I think it's always a risk bringing a case like this unless the allegations are REALLY bad. Whereas this sounds more run of the mill and a jury might decide there's no liability. I think that's possible. I really don't feel I have all the facts.

But based on what we do know, I don't understand the people caping for Baldoni like he's some wronged victim. He clearly mismanaged this set, did some weird and inappropriate things, and made several women uncomfortable. He might not be a sexual harasser but he is, at a minimum, not a great director and maybe shouldn't be in charge of big sets like this. Some people do not have the people skills for a job like that. He might be one of them. And I do think he put himself in this situation by promoting himself as an advocate for women and someone who listens to women, and deciding to direct a movie with domestic violence and women's empowerment themes. Even if he's not a sexual harasser, he strikes me as tone deaf, arrogant, and a bad boss. It's not like the allegations against him have been totally made up. This stuff happened, they just exist in this gray area where it's not clear if it constitutes harassment or not. A jury will have to figure that out.

Baldoni is not an innocent victim, it is so wild to me that some people see it that way. Were it not for his own bad and weird choices, he would not be in this situation regardless of Blake's actions.

Yes. I agree with all of this, but especially the last two paragraphs. A certain view on this board is that Lively and Reynolds are evil villains that are cruelly mistreating Prince Baldoni. That is not reality. Baldoni made mistakes on set, and then he doubled down in hiring this PR firm that he was concerned wasn’t going far enough to protect him. Those were mistakes by him. He is not some hero to women.

And by the same token, neither is Blake. For a handful of women, perhaps. But for the majority of us, nah.

Blake Lively created and stepped into this mess. The constant barking of “it was not a totally professionally run set!” Can someone please explain to me the standards of a professionally run set, and then show me how Baldoni’s set was the only set that has ever shown any signs of not being complete to standard?

Im sure that every set has some challenges. It seems like par for the course. But you Lively supporters (or that one supporter) makes it seem like negligence was at every turn and that sexual harassment was occurring all over the set. That’s more like an unprofessionally run set, not an ambiguous glance or unscripted kiss (not kisses, but kiss) without an intimacy coordinator there watching it all.

Or being “clearly uncomfortable” when rehearsing a scene. For all we know she was experiencing post partum symptoms or had gas or something probably unrelated to the acting moment. But from the way Blake flat out exaggerates or lies about happenings, anything could have been the cause of her discomfort. I wouldn’t put it past her to weave another false tale to hint a causation by Baldoni.

In my eyes, as for many, there is just no redemption for Blake Lively.

But there is redemption for Baldoni? That's the part I don't get.

Also, yeah, it does sound like this was an unusually disorganized and unprofessional set. Multiple reports that it was disorganized, that he was a bad communicator who was indecisive and deferred to other people too much (something backed up by the main emails and texts of him doing just that, not just with Lively but with everyone from producers to editors to the screenwriter to other actors). Plus reports of how having all these people with this shared religious background and culture on a set with a lot of people who were NOT from that culture led to culture clash, with lots of hugging that sounds like it made various people uncomfortable, frank discussions of sexual history that they didn't necessarily think to ask for consent for, etc.

Yes, lots of movies have screwed up sets. That doesn't mean it's fine and that employees on those sets have to just suck it up. I'm a big proponent of employee rights and I'd love to see people in Hollywood and other artistic workplaces feel empowered to speak up when their workplace is unsafe, toxic, harassing, etc. I used to work in a creative field and often people have this attitude like "well what do you expect, you're a performer/writer/musician, that's just what it's like." Well... why? It's wrong. Everyone deserves an appropriate, respectful workplace. Why does doing creative work mean you have to put up with horrible working conditions?

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Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder that your hero Justin Baldoni was sued by a black man after luring him to work on his podcast and then fired him when he would not make black guests perform their blackness on the podcast as Wayfarer wanted them to do. This is another case where your guy Baldoni talks big about supporting a class of people like women or minorities (of victims of cystic fibrosis, who have also sued him) in his book or in his podcast but then in reality does not understand how to actually behave and mistreats them in a way that is illegal.

Red herring. No one knows what you’re even rambling about, and as a black person, I’m offended. You’re trying to distract from an otherwise important conversation about how white women have weaponized society’s tendency to believe anything they say. This bias has harmed many black men.

What are you talking about? Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer were sued by a former employee, who was black, who they hired with promises of a long term position, where apparently Steve Sarowitz (yup, that guy!) told him “we need somebody here who looks like you.” Then he objected to the issues that Wayfarer wanted a black guest on the podcast to discuss, because it treated that guest as a token. Then he got demoted, fired, and denied severance even though non-black people who had been fired by Wayfarer were provided severance. His discrimination lawsuit against Baldoni and Wayfarer alleged that they had showed “a pattern of sidelining and tokenizing people of color.” The case was apparently settled when they paid him off with $150,000.

Wayfarer has also been sued by a man who died of cystic fibrosis, Travis Flores. Flores was represented in his suit by Bryan Freedman. Flores had written a screenplay called Three Feet Apart which was also a love story about two people with cystic fibrosis, just like the screenplay Baldoni used in Five Feet Apart! Freedman convinced Flores he didn’t have a case, and he died, and within six months of that Freedman became Baldoni’s lawyer! It’s such a strange coincidence.

In this way, Baldoni shows a pattern of caring about people, but actually just wants to use them, and doesn’t really understand the rules of fair treatment, and then gets caught.

Guess you don’t know the definition of red herring

DP. IMO the red herring is making something of Heath's race when Lively has similar complaints about several other men who are not black.

There are a few people chiming in on this topic, but I’m actually focused on Lively’s privilege as a white woman and our troubling history as a country with white women making false accusations against black men that has in the worst cases cost them their lives. As I said, this is the first time we’re seeing this play out publicly between a white woman and a white man, but our society’s tendency to believe white women no matter what runs very deep.

Blake knows this. Her claims are lacking in seriousness, and when I read posts from her supporters, even they seem to concede this point. Yet she still has supporters b/c as pp said earlier, people are invested in keeping a certain narrative in tact. For them, this isn’t about Blake or the facts, and Baldoni is just collateral damage.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not think Baldoni's "receipts" disprove Blake's allegations. In some cases, they actually confirm them. Others aren't addressed at all. The video they released shows a visibly uncomfortable Lively repeatedly asking for their characters to be talking and dancing while Baldoni insists more physical closeness than is scripted or than Lively is comfortable with. The voice memo he released is a rambling Baldoni who clearly knows he's crossed lines and been inappropriate, apologizing but also continuing to overshare and say weird things, sent at 2am. His timeline repeatedly confirms some of her allegations.

There are some details where they allege different facts, but he does NOT have receipts for them, or at least hasn't shared them. Yet repeatedly people take his word over her even though neither has released video footage or pictures or other evidence that would prove one or the other wrong.

It's really fascinating to me. It's fairly obvious that he was inappropriate on the set -- he admits it himself multiple times, his publicist (Jen Abel) confirms it in text messages to others, he cycles through a variety of excuses for his behavior (neurodivergence, being intimidated by Lively's fame, misunderstandings) but when discussing the details of the allegations, he rarely offers a clear "no I didn't do that." Instead it will be contextualization that muddies the waters.

There also are apparently allegations from Slate and potential one or more other actresses on set. This might just be Robyn Lively, Blake's sister, but might include Isabella Ferrer. We don't know for sure and it might be a bit before we find out. But that's 3-4 different women on the set with complaints about Baldoni's or Heath's behavior. If 3-4 women in your workplace had told you that a man you work with was inappropriate and made them uncomfortable, would you assume he was 100% innocent and being wrongly accused? Or would you think "huh, even if these individual incidents don't each sound that bad, together maybe this guy has an issue"? I would think the latter.

I don't know if all Lively's allegations together will add up to whatever the legal definition of sexual harassment is. I think the alleged retaliation is more clearcut and looks bad. She could still lose though, I don't. I think it's always a risk bringing a case like this unless the allegations are REALLY bad. Whereas this sounds more run of the mill and a jury might decide there's no liability. I think that's possible. I really don't feel I have all the facts.

But based on what we do know, I don't understand the people caping for Baldoni like he's some wronged victim. He clearly mismanaged this set, did some weird and inappropriate things, and made several women uncomfortable. He might not be a sexual harasser but he is, at a minimum, not a great director and maybe shouldn't be in charge of big sets like this. Some people do not have the people skills for a job like that. He might be one of them. And I do think he put himself in this situation by promoting himself as an advocate for women and someone who listens to women, and deciding to direct a movie with domestic violence and women's empowerment themes. Even if he's not a sexual harasser, he strikes me as tone deaf, arrogant, and a bad boss. It's not like the allegations against him have been totally made up. This stuff happened, they just exist in this gray area where it's not clear if it constitutes harassment or not. A jury will have to figure that out.

Baldoni is not an innocent victim, it is so wild to me that some people see it that way. Were it not for his own bad and weird choices, he would not be in this situation regardless of Blake's actions.

Yes. I agree with all of this, but especially the last two paragraphs. A certain view on this board is that Lively and Reynolds are evil villains that are cruelly mistreating Prince Baldoni. That is not reality. Baldoni made mistakes on set, and then he doubled down in hiring this PR firm that he was concerned wasn’t going far enough to protect him. Those were mistakes by him. He is not some hero to women.

And by the same token, neither is Blake. For a handful of women, perhaps. But for the majority of us, nah.

Blake Lively created and stepped into this mess. The constant barking of “it was not a totally professionally run set!” Can someone please explain to me the standards of a professionally run set, and then show me how Baldoni’s set was the only set that has ever shown any signs of not being complete to standard?

Im sure that every set has some challenges. It seems like par for the course. But you Lively supporters (or that one supporter) makes it seem like negligence was at every turn and that sexual harassment was occurring all over the set. That’s more like an unprofessionally run set, not an ambiguous glance or unscripted kiss (not kisses, but kiss) without an intimacy coordinator there watching it all.

Or being “clearly uncomfortable” when rehearsing a scene. For all we know she was experiencing post partum symptoms or had gas or something probably unrelated to the acting moment. But from the way Blake flat out exaggerates or lies about happenings, anything could have been the cause of her discomfort. I wouldn’t put it past her to weave another false tale to hint a causation by Baldoni.

In my eyes, as for many, there is just no redemption for Blake Lively.

Everyone apparently makes Blake uncomfortable. Look at any interview she gives. She doesn't interpret questions they way most normal humans would, twists everything in knots and then attacks. She's also wildly unprofessional herself. I find her to be a very unreliable narrator. I don't really know much about Baldoni but many people have been on the receiving end of Blake’s mean girl shenanigans so I give him more of the benefit of the doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:When I found out Heath was black, it all made sense to me. I knew the doctor tied to the delivery allegations would be a man of color. When I saw a clip of the scene, I was correct. Blake went pure ghetto profiling.

And when receipts were produced by Baldoni, more people realized that she had lied. She did not expect for receipts to be on hand.

I am a pro Baldoni poster who was not aware of this. That’s really shameful. I also saw a TikTok recently where the doctor actor confirmed that Blake was wearing short in the birth scene.