Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And I agree with one of the above posters. Ryan and Blake won’t be banished or blacklisted. But then and their friends will fade. Not sure if Blake will ever gain whatever star power she had, ever again. Ryan has a few deals left in him. He’ll weather it better. Baldoni will probably do smaller stuff going forward. But I already see TS appeal fading a bit. I think most people are ready for something big and new in music.

All they had to do was apologize and pay.

Those Baldoni receipts were a game changer.

I was tired of Ryan's smug self congratulatory demeanor even before this. I am curious to see whether he is capable of any type of serious acting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Baldoni supporter here. That will not change. I firmly believe in his innocence and that there was no SH.

But recently it occurred to me that Blake may become the victor here, but only if she can sway public opinion. And that’s what her team is working very hard to do.

Blake has played the victim/damsel in distress card to walk herself out of a bad situation. I sense it was an attraction to Baldoni, and Ryan found out. On one hand, he his ego thrives on the fact that other men think his wife is hot. By the same token, he doesn’t want her straying. He needs to keep her in check, but still loves the fact that he caught a real catch that other guys can’t even dream of.

Cue the Crucible…Blake knows the rules and so she created her scapegoat and her way out. She’s a damsel who was “looked at the wrong way by a moral!” Or something to that effect. She was attracted to him, teased him and an openness to something, but always saw him as beneath her. It could have been discrete and all would have proceeded with the movie. But Ryan saw the writing on the wall. Blake needed a way out. Every way that they punished Baldoni points to this fact. Ryan was unhinged.

Cue the Crucible. Blake the victim. Baldoni the really bad boy from the wrong side of town, who got her in trouble with her meal ticket. The bad boy has to suffer so that the princess can remain the princess. Cue the exaggerated truths and lies. Everyone will support the story because a whole lot of people gain $ if Blake remains the princess in this story. So the whole thing is being rigged for her to win to keep the order of the narrative. It keeps the money flowing!

*+++

Not a new story at all.
Hope that I am wrong, but this is a narrative that plays out all of the time. Hoping that Baldoni has a second act lined up because it’s really not about his innocence. It’s about keeping the princess/damsel narrative alive.

And it’s funny watching Blake take on these different personas to keep Ryan happy and to keep her narrative going.


Baldoni may lose, but he is so much better than this. He will have fans like me forever. Hard to beat the fairytale though. Just a bad break for him.

It’s not new at all for black men, who have faced death throughout history when white women have lied on them. This is the first time I think people are seeing it play out in a very public way between a white woman and a white man, but it’s a tale as old as time. Remember that video where the white woman in the park threatened to call the police and lie on the black man, but luckily for him it was all on camera? People have a bias to believing the things certain people say, and frankly it’s dangerous and always has been.

Blake made her allegations and Baldoni was immediately canceled, and now that he’s fighting back, she’s playing the damsel in distress. She’s using privileges from an aggressively overreaching me too law that was meant to protect the vulnerable, and she’s trying very hard to flip the narrative to convince people to believe that includes her, when it’s clear she was by far the most powerful person on that set. Blake’s supporters want people to be dispassionate in their advocacy for Baldoni but people are disgusted by what Blake is trying to do and it has real implications for our culture and society and how we treat these sorts of cases in the future. That’s why there’s so much interest in this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Baldoni supporter here. That will not change. I firmly believe in his innocence and that there was no SH.

But recently it occurred to me that Blake may become the victor here, but only if she can sway public opinion. And that’s what her team is working very hard to do.

Blake has played the victim/damsel in distress card to walk herself out of a bad situation. I sense it was an attraction to Baldoni, and Ryan found out. On one hand, he his ego thrives on the fact that other men think his wife is hot. By the same token, he doesn’t want her straying. He needs to keep her in check, but still loves the fact that he caught a real catch that other guys can’t even dream of.

Cue the Crucible…Blake knows the rules and so she created her scapegoat and her way out. She’s a damsel who was “looked at the wrong way by a moral!” Or something to that effect. She was attracted to him, teased him and an openness to something, but always saw him as beneath her. It could have been discrete and all would have proceeded with the movie. But Ryan saw the writing on the wall. Blake needed a way out. Every way that they punished Baldoni points to this fact. Ryan was unhinged.

Cue the Crucible. Blake the victim. Baldoni the really bad boy from the wrong side of town, who got her in trouble with her meal ticket. The bad boy has to suffer so that the princess can remain the princess. Cue the exaggerated truths and lies. Everyone will support the story because a whole lot of people gain $ if Blake remains the princess in this story. So the whole thing is being rigged for her to win to keep the order of the narrative. It keeps the money flowing!

*+++

Not a new story at all.
Hope that I am wrong, but this is a narrative that plays out all of the time. Hoping that Baldoni has a second act lined up because it’s really not about his innocence. It’s about keeping the princess/damsel narrative alive.

And it’s funny watching Blake take on these different personas to keep Ryan happy and to keep her narrative going.


Baldoni may lose, but he is so much better than this. He will have fans like me forever. Hard to beat the fairytale though. Just a bad break for him.

It’s not new at all for black men, who have faced death throughout history when white women have lied on them. This is the first time I think people are seeing it play out in a very public way between a white woman and a white man, but it’s a tale as old as time. Remember that video where the white woman in the park threatened to call the police and lie on the black man, but luckily for him it was all on camera? People have a bias to believing the things certain people say, and frankly it’s dangerous and always has been.

Blake made her allegations and Baldoni was immediately canceled, and now that he’s fighting back, she’s playing the damsel in distress. She’s using privileges from an aggressively overreaching me too law that was meant to protect the vulnerable, and she’s trying very hard to flip the narrative to convince people to believe that includes her, when it’s clear she was by far the most powerful person on that set. Blake’s supporters want people to be dispassionate in their advocacy for Baldoni but people are disgusted by what Blake is trying to do and it has real implications for our culture and society and how we treat these sorts of cases in the future. That’s why there’s so much interest in this case.

Bingo. You read my words clearly. I agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Baldoni supporter here. That will not change. I firmly believe in his innocence and that there was no SH.

But recently it occurred to me that Blake may become the victor here, but only if she can sway public opinion. And that’s what her team is working very hard to do.

Blake has played the victim/damsel in distress card to walk herself out of a bad situation. I sense it was an attraction to Baldoni, and Ryan found out. On one hand, he his ego thrives on the fact that other men think his wife is hot. By the same token, he doesn’t want her straying. He needs to keep her in check, but still loves the fact that he caught a real catch that other guys can’t even dream of.

Cue the Crucible…Blake knows the rules and so she created her scapegoat and her way out. She’s a damsel who was “looked at the wrong way by a moral!” Or something to that effect. She was attracted to him, teased him and an openness to something, but always saw him as beneath her. It could have been discrete and all would have proceeded with the movie. But Ryan saw the writing on the wall. Blake needed a way out. Every way that they punished Baldoni points to this fact. Ryan was unhinged.

Cue the Crucible. Blake the victim. Baldoni the really bad boy from the wrong side of town, who got her in trouble with her meal ticket. The bad boy has to suffer so that the princess can remain the princess. Cue the exaggerated truths and lies. Everyone will support the story because a whole lot of people gain $ if Blake remains the princess in this story. So the whole thing is being rigged for her to win to keep the order of the narrative. It keeps the money flowing!

*+++

Not a new story at all.
Hope that I am wrong, but this is a narrative that plays out all of the time. Hoping that Baldoni has a second act lined up because it’s really not about his innocence. It’s about keeping the princess/damsel narrative alive.

And it’s funny watching Blake take on these different personas to keep Ryan happy and to keep her narrative going.


Baldoni may lose, but he is so much better than this. He will have fans like me forever. Hard to beat the fairytale though. Just a bad break for him.

It’s not new at all for black men, who have faced death throughout history when white women have lied on them. This is the first time I think people are seeing it play out in a very public way between a white woman and a white man, but it’s a tale as old as time. Remember that video where the white woman in the park threatened to call the police and lie on the black man, but luckily for him it was all on camera? People have a bias to believing the things certain people say, and frankly it’s dangerous and always has been.

Blake made her allegations and Baldoni was immediately canceled, and now that he’s fighting back, she’s playing the damsel in distress. She’s using privileges from an aggressively overreaching me too law that was meant to protect the vulnerable, and she’s trying very hard to flip the narrative to convince people to believe that includes her, when it’s clear she was by far the most powerful person on that set. Blake’s supporters want people to be dispassionate in their advocacy for Baldoni but people are disgusted by what Blake is trying to do and it has real implications for our culture and society and how we treat these sorts of cases in the future. That’s why there’s so much interest in this case.

Bingo. You read my words clearly. I agree.

And let’s not forget Jamie Heath is in fact, a black man. Who showed her porn on set of all things! I mean the audacity! Oh wait it was actually just his wife after giving birth to their child, never mind.

I mean, who among us has not seen a black man pull out their phone and immediately figured they were going show us porn? Totally normal reaction. Nothing to see here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for either of the two lawyers who said that of course Judge Liman obviously would be granting Baldoni’s motion for an extension, and this was simple stuff, to come back and explain how you managed to get it so wrong. Please explain this from the mind of a litigator so that I can begin to understand your ways.

It’s just that you’re consistently so scornful and demeaning to people who disagree with you. And yet you are also so very wrong. It’s difficult to reconcile those two things.

You find it strange that no one wants to engage with someone who writes 2 pages of posts at 10 pm on a Friday gloating about, of all things, the denial of an extension request.

Just explain how it was that you typed all of those wrong things, and in such a snotty tone, when you are actually such experienced attorneys and/or litigators. It’s so simple!

[Anonymous]

Just a reminder that your hero Justin Baldoni was sued by a black man after luring him to work on his podcast and then fired him when he would not make black guests perform their blackness on the podcast as Wayfarer wanted them to do. This is another case where your guy Baldoni talks big about supporting a class of people like women or minorities (of victims of cystic fibrosis, who have also sued him) in his book or in his podcast but then in reality does not understand how to actually behave and mistreats them in a way that is illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder that your hero Justin Baldoni was sued by a black man after luring him to work on his podcast and then fired him when he would not make black guests perform their blackness on the podcast as Wayfarer wanted them to do. This is another case where your guy Baldoni talks big about supporting a class of people like women or minorities (of victims of cystic fibrosis, who have also sued him) in his book or in his podcast but then in reality does not understand how to actually behave and mistreats them in a way that is illegal.

Red herring. No one knows what you’re even rambling about, and as a black person, I’m offended. You’re trying to distract from an otherwise important conversation about how white women have weaponized society’s tendency to believe anything they say. This bias has harmed many black men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And I agree with one of the above posters. Ryan and Blake won’t be banished or blacklisted. But then and their friends will fade. Not sure if Blake will ever gain whatever star power she had, ever again. Ryan has a few deals left in him. He’ll weather it better. Baldoni will probably do smaller stuff going forward. But I already see TS appeal fading a bit. I think most people are ready for something big and new in music.

All they had to do was apologize and pay.

Those Baldoni receipts were a game changer.

You make it sound like apologizing and paying multiple plaintiffs is an easy decision. It's not and never was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I agree with one of the above posters. Ryan and Blake won’t be banished or blacklisted. But then and their friends will fade. Not sure if Blake will ever gain whatever star power she had, ever again. Ryan has a few deals left in him. He’ll weather it better. Baldoni will probably do smaller stuff going forward. But I already see TS appeal fading a bit. I think most people are ready for something big and new in music.

All they had to do was apologize and pay.

Those Baldoni receipts were a game changer.

You make it sound like apologizing and paying multiple plaintiffs is an easy decision. It's not and never was.

And I've asked this before but how much are they supposed to pay, all 400 million? Dp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sarowitz is surely spending a fortune already but he might want to consider hiring better lawyers.

He’s in his 60s, has donated hundreds of millions of dollars and said he wants to give away most of his wealth before he dies. Seems he’s ok spending money on what he believes in.

Okay. He might want better lawyers.

[Anonymous]

When I found out Heath was black, it all made sense to me. I knew the doctor tied to the delivery allegations would be a man of color. When I saw a clip of the scene, I was correct. Blake went pure ghetto profiling.

And when receipts were produced by Baldoni, more people realized that she had lied. She did not expect for receipts to be on hand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I found out Heath was black, it all made sense to me. I knew the doctor tied to the delivery allegations would be a man of color. When I saw a clip of the scene, I was correct. Blake went pure ghetto profiling.

And when receipts were produced by Baldoni, more people realized that she had lied. She did not expect for receipts to be on hand.

Adam Mondschein played the doctor. Heath is the only black man involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I agree with one of the above posters. Ryan and Blake won’t be banished or blacklisted. But then and their friends will fade. Not sure if Blake will ever gain whatever star power she had, ever again. Ryan has a few deals left in him. He’ll weather it better. Baldoni will probably do smaller stuff going forward. But I already see TS appeal fading a bit. I think most people are ready for something big and new in music.

All they had to do was apologize and pay.

Those Baldoni receipts were a game changer.

You make it sound like apologizing and paying multiple plaintiffs is an easy decision. It's not and never was.

Apologizing costs nothing. And you wouldn’t have to apologize if you had not created lies and intentionally distorted truths.

Paying multiple plaintiffs— so many people urged her early on to drop the case and just apologize and pay up. What do she and Reynolds do —they double down, no, they triple down!!!

Reynolds continues to insult and tell Baldoni that he deserves it. Blake files a completely disingenuous MTD saying that even if she was wrong about the sh, she thought it was sh, and under law, she can’t be blamed for bringing suit and he has to pay her fees under law.

Who does this??? the Times article, then the false allegations, doubling down and then an —oops—I may be wrong, but too bad cause you have to pay for my killing your reputation and dragging us into this case.

This is not apologetic in the least. Again, the public sees right thru it and has awarded Baldoni immense support and backing. He will get another shot should he decide to direct again.

[Anonymous]

I do not think Baldoni's "receipts" disprove Blake's allegations. In some cases, they actually confirm them. Others aren't addressed at all. The video they released shows a visibly uncomfortable Lively repeatedly asking for their characters to be talking and dancing while Baldoni insists more physical closeness than is scripted or than Lively is comfortable with. The voice memo he released is a rambling Baldoni who clearly knows he's crossed lines and been inappropriate, apologizing but also continuing to overshare and say weird things, sent at 2am. His timeline repeatedly confirms some of her allegations.

There are some details where they allege different facts, but he does NOT have receipts for them, or at least hasn't shared them. Yet repeatedly people take his word over her even though neither has released video footage or pictures or other evidence that would prove one or the other wrong.

It's really fascinating to me. It's fairly obvious that he was inappropriate on the set -- he admits it himself multiple times, his publicist (Jen Abel) confirms it in text messages to others, he cycles through a variety of excuses for his behavior (neurodivergence, being intimidated by Lively's fame, misunderstandings) but when discussing the details of the allegations, he rarely offers a clear "no I didn't do that." Instead it will be contextualization that muddies the waters.

There also are apparently allegations from Slate and potential one or more other actresses on set. This might just be Robyn Lively, Blake's sister, but might include Isabella Ferrer. We don't know for sure and it might be a bit before we find out. But that's 3-4 different women on the set with complaints about Baldoni's or Heath's behavior. If 3-4 women in your workplace had told you that a man you work with was inappropriate and made them uncomfortable, would you assume he was 100% innocent and being wrongly accused? Or would you think "huh, even if these individual incidents don't each sound that bad, together maybe this guy has an issue"? I would think the latter.

I don't know if all Lively's allegations together will add up to whatever the legal definition of sexual harassment is. I think the alleged retaliation is more clearcut and looks bad. She could still lose though, I don't. I think it's always a risk bringing a case like this unless the allegations are REALLY bad. Whereas this sounds more run of the mill and a jury might decide there's no liability. I think that's possible. I really don't feel I have all the facts.

But based on what we do know, I don't understand the people caping for Baldoni like he's some wronged victim. He clearly mismanaged this set, did some weird and inappropriate things, and made several women uncomfortable. He might not be a sexual harasser but he is, at a minimum, not a great director and maybe shouldn't be in charge of big sets like this. Some people do not have the people skills for a job like that. He might be one of them. And I do think he put himself in this situation by promoting himself as an advocate for women and someone who listens to women, and deciding to direct a movie with domestic violence and women's empowerment themes. Even if he's not a sexual harasser, he strikes me as tone deaf, arrogant, and a bad boss. It's not like the allegations against him have been totally made up. This stuff happened, they just exist in this gray area where it's not clear if it constitutes harassment or not. A jury will have to figure that out.

Baldoni is not an innocent victim, it is so wild to me that some people see it that way. Were it not for his own bad and weird choices, he would not be in this situation regardless of Blake's actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder that your hero Justin Baldoni was sued by a black man after luring him to work on his podcast and then fired him when he would not make black guests perform their blackness on the podcast as Wayfarer wanted them to do. This is another case where your guy Baldoni talks big about supporting a class of people like women or minorities (of victims of cystic fibrosis, who have also sued him) in his book or in his podcast but then in reality does not understand how to actually behave and mistreats them in a way that is illegal.

Red herring. No one knows what you’re even rambling about, and as a black person, I’m offended. You’re trying to distract from an otherwise important conversation about how white women have weaponized society’s tendency to believe anything they say. This bias has harmed many black men.

What are you talking about? Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer were sued by a former employee, who was black, who they hired with promises of a long term position, where apparently Steve Sarowitz (yup, that guy!) told him “we need somebody here who looks like you.” Then he objected to the issues that Wayfarer wanted a black guest on the podcast to discuss, because it treated that guest as a token. Then he got demoted, fired, and denied severance even though non-black people who had been fired by Wayfarer were provided severance. His discrimination lawsuit against Baldoni and Wayfarer alleged that they had showed “a pattern of sidelining and tokenizing people of color.” The case was apparently settled when they paid him off with $150,000.

Wayfarer has also been sued by a man who died of cystic fibrosis, Travis Flores. Flores was represented in his suit by Bryan Freedman. Flores had written a screenplay called Three Feet Apart which was also a love story about two people with cystic fibrosis, just like the screenplay Baldoni used in Five Feet Apart! Freedman convinced Flores he didn’t have a case, and he died, and within six months of that Freedman became Baldoni’s lawyer! It’s such a strange coincidence.

In this way, Baldoni shows a pattern of caring about people, but actually just wants to use them, and doesn’t really understand the rules of fair treatment, and then gets caught.