FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:They could change ES boundaries and do that without grandfathering, since people won’t feel as strongly about that, and say they are pausing MS and HS boundary changes until they are ready to open the new HS out near Carson. That would maximize the credit they get to take from buying the KAA and reduce angst over boundary changes.

If they give one part of the county a new HS no one was expecting and give everyone else boundary changes few want, they are jeopardizing their political futures.

This makes sense.

By the way, on Nextdoor, there is a concerted effort by Great Falls/Langley parents to stop the KAA purchase.

I have been sympathetic to these Langley families in the past, because I agree with having kids stay where they are. I, too, wanted my neighborhood to stay put. But THRU was picking my neighborhood to go to a journey comparable to the Langley one. Except, we like our nearby school.

Carson is split between Oakton, South Lakes, and Westfield. The kids that go to Westfield are separated from it by commercial and industrial developments. This is not conducive to building a "community."
Oakton is a ridiculous commute for Carson students.

The KAA site would have a "community" around it which is a good thing. The boundary would easily be reasonable and compact--not gerrymandered. It would alleviate "overcrowding" at Chantilly which is cited frequently by the SB members. It would eliminate an extremely long and hard commute for many students.

I was disturbed when the site was given to KAA years ago with no community input. I do believe that the BOS put political pressure on them because of the protest by the Burke area. Here is a chance to make it right.

Of course the Great Falls families are behind an effort to stop the purchase. Anything that might negatively impact their kids is bad even if it 1) makes sense and 2) is good for other kids. God forbid that something happens that might decrease the student numbers at Herndon and lead to kids being shifted to Herndon from Langley. Far better to keep a massive split feeder out of Carson and shift kids all over the place between SLHS, Westfield, Oakton, Chantilly, Centerville, and Herndon. All that matters is that the kids at Langley stay put.

DP. You are truly ignorant if this is what your narrative is. I've seen the NextDoor discussion and it has NOTHING to do with moving kids around at all. It's about the lack of transparency in making this purchase with zero community input. I think it's a great purchase and makes perfect sense, but I can still understand the point being made about lack of transparency.

A week ago you had Thru proposals out there that would move kids out of Westfield, Chantilly, Centreville, and South Lakes and in many instances families weren’t happy.

Thru wasn’t proposing to move anyone out of Langley, but there were no people more willing to help others articulate their concerns with the processes being followed than the FairFACTS Matters and BRAC members from Langley.

Then when the SB announced the KAA purchase, that was all forgotten, and the people who stood to benefit from a new school attacked the same folks who’d been helping them because they continued to raise questions about some of FCPS’s less than transparent processes.

Don’t get played, people.

A little common sense goes a long way.

This school announced closure in February. BRAC was well underway. I have no love lost for the SB and Reid, but do you really think they should have said: "Good news! We hope to purchase the KAA facility for a new Western High School. So, we are going to stop BRAC."

What could go wrong with a statement like that? What could go wrong with showing your cards in a competitive process like this purchase?

Yes, I appreciate that the Great Falls people tried to stop the boundary process, but with the THRU proposals, they were the only ones untouched.
My neighborhood stands to be split with the THRU proposals and many of the students will be sent on a long, long haul away. So, I really don't see what they have done for us.

They may not have wanted to disclose they were negotiating but voting to approve a $150M purchase with no information to the public about these questions is troubling:

* Where will the money come from when only $25 million has been bonded for a western HS?
* What previously scheduled projects will need to get deferred or cancelled?
* What is their preliminary understanding of KAA's capacity?
* What's the initial estimate of the additional costs to convert KAA to a 9-12 public school?
* Are they going to ask taxpayers soon to fund an addition to the school to increase its capacity?
* To what use could the estimated $280 million in savings be put?
* What is the impact on the ongoing boundary study?

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t buy for one second that Great Falls people are advocating on behalf of everyone in the county when it comes to boundary stuff. Please! Do you think we are all stupid? We know you just don’t want to be sent to Herndon and everything you do and say is with that goal on mind. Which is fine — we are all looking out for ourselves here. But enough with the fake indignation about your motives being attacked. Your fake concern for others in the county is super obvious. Great Falls people aren’t exactly known for being altruistic, LOL.

Actually, I’ve found them to be incredibly great. It’s people who want to divide their neighbors who are truly repugnant. Got a mirror nearby?

Nice try. I am against boundary changes and wish they would just leave it all alone. I am not happy at all about the change they want to make for my neighborhood. But I'm not out there feigning concern about transparency and other neighborhoods. It is possible to be against boundary changes AND think that the GF people are full of it, you know. The fact that you're getting so defensive tells me you don't like being called out. We see you!

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t buy for one second that Great Falls people are advocating on behalf of everyone in the county when it comes to boundary stuff. Please! Do you think we are all stupid? We know you just don’t want to be sent to Herndon and everything you do and say is with that goal on mind. Which is fine — we are all looking out for ourselves here. But enough with the fake indignation about your motives being attacked. Your fake concern for others in the county is super obvious. Great Falls people aren’t exactly known for being altruistic, LOL.

Actually, I’ve found them to be incredibly great. It’s people who want to divide their neighbors who are truly repugnant. Got a mirror nearby?

Nice try. I am against boundary changes and wish they would just leave it all alone. I am not happy at all about the change they want to make for my neighborhood. But I'm not out there feigning concern about transparency and other neighborhoods. It is possible to be against boundary changes AND think that the GF people are full of it, you know. The fact that you're getting so defensive tells me you don't like being called out. We see you!

You see me what? Calling you out for your blatant ingratitude toward a group that appears to be trying to give a voice to people in this process?

Some people really would cut off their nose to spite their face. So weird.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t buy for one second that Great Falls people are advocating on behalf of everyone in the county when it comes to boundary stuff. Please! Do you think we are all stupid? We know you just don’t want to be sent to Herndon and everything you do and say is with that goal on mind. Which is fine — we are all looking out for ourselves here. But enough with the fake indignation about your motives being attacked. Your fake concern for others in the county is super obvious. Great Falls people aren’t exactly known for being altruistic, LOL.

Actually, I’ve found them to be incredibly great. It’s people who want to divide their neighbors who are truly repugnant. Got a mirror nearby?

Nice try. I am against boundary changes and wish they would just leave it all alone. I am not happy at all about the change they want to make for my neighborhood. But I'm not out there feigning concern about transparency and other neighborhoods. It is possible to be against boundary changes AND think that the GF people are full of it, you know. The fact that you're getting so defensive tells me you don't like being called out. We see you!

You see me what? Calling you out for your blatant ingratitude toward a group that appears to be trying to give a voice to people in this process?

Some people really would cut off their nose to spite their face. So weird.

You claim the Great Falls community is fighting on others' behalf, but on this new school issue that so many others need for relief they are clearly trying to drag their feet and slow the process. It is obvious that Great Falls picks and chooses based on their own interest, not on others' behalf. That's fine, just stop pretending otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t buy for one second that Great Falls people are advocating on behalf of everyone in the county when it comes to boundary stuff. Please! Do you think we are all stupid? We know you just don’t want to be sent to Herndon and everything you do and say is with that goal on mind. Which is fine — we are all looking out for ourselves here. But enough with the fake indignation about your motives being attacked. Your fake concern for others in the county is super obvious. Great Falls people aren’t exactly known for being altruistic, LOL.

Actually, I’ve found them to be incredibly great. It’s people who want to divide their neighbors who are truly repugnant. Got a mirror nearby?

Nice try. I am against boundary changes and wish they would just leave it all alone. I am not happy at all about the change they want to make for my neighborhood. But I'm not out there feigning concern about transparency and other neighborhoods. It is possible to be against boundary changes AND think that the GF people are full of it, you know. The fact that you're getting so defensive tells me you don't like being called out. We see you!

You see me what? Calling you out for your blatant ingratitude toward a group that appears to be trying to give a voice to people in this process?

Some people really would cut off their nose to spite their face. So weird.

You claim the Great Falls community is fighting on others' behalf, but on this new school issue that so many others need for relief they are clearly trying to drag their feet and slow the process. It is obvious that Great Falls picks and chooses based on their own interest, not on others' behalf. That's fine, just stop pretending otherwise.

Wonder if they would be so upset if this were filling a need in another area of Fairfax County?

And, yes, I appreciate their efforts to stop the boundary study, but they did not succeed. And, those of us in West Fairfax were going to be very disrupted by THRU. Sorry, not willing to fall on sword for "transparency" when it leaves my community split in many directions.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t buy for one second that Great Falls people are advocating on behalf of everyone in the county when it comes to boundary stuff. Please! Do you think we are all stupid? We know you just don’t want to be sent to Herndon and everything you do and say is with that goal on mind. Which is fine — we are all looking out for ourselves here. But enough with the fake indignation about your motives being attacked. Your fake concern for others in the county is super obvious. Great Falls people aren’t exactly known for being altruistic, LOL.

Actually, I’ve found them to be incredibly great. It’s people who want to divide their neighbors who are truly repugnant. Got a mirror nearby?

Nice try. I am against boundary changes and wish they would just leave it all alone. I am not happy at all about the change they want to make for my neighborhood. But I'm not out there feigning concern about transparency and other neighborhoods. It is possible to be against boundary changes AND think that the GF people are full of it, you know. The fact that you're getting so defensive tells me you don't like being called out. We see you!

You see me what? Calling you out for your blatant ingratitude toward a group that appears to be trying to give a voice to people in this process?

Some people really would cut off their nose to spite their face. So weird.

You claim the Great Falls community is fighting on others' behalf, but on this new school issue that so many others need for relief they are clearly trying to drag their feet and slow the process. It is obvious that Great Falls picks and chooses based on their own interest, not on others' behalf. That's fine, just stop pretending otherwise.

Wonder if they would be so upset if this were filling a need in another area of Fairfax County?

And, yes, I appreciate their efforts to stop the boundary study, but they did not succeed. And, those of us in West Fairfax were going to be very disrupted by THRU. Sorry, not willing to fall on sword for "transparency" when it leaves my community split in many directions.

You and I both know that no one cares what goes on in the eastern or central parts of the county. Even the affluent parts. The Hayfield football scandal was the most attention anyone has paid to Alexandria in YEARS! South County or Woodson or Falls Church could be doing human sacrifice for all anyone at FCPS would notice or care.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t buy for one second that Great Falls people are advocating on behalf of everyone in the county when it comes to boundary stuff. Please! Do you think we are all stupid? We know you just don’t want to be sent to Herndon and everything you do and say is with that goal on mind. Which is fine — we are all looking out for ourselves here. But enough with the fake indignation about your motives being attacked. Your fake concern for others in the county is super obvious. Great Falls people aren’t exactly known for being altruistic, LOL.

Actually, I’ve found them to be incredibly great. It’s people who want to divide their neighbors who are truly repugnant. Got a mirror nearby?

Nice try. I am against boundary changes and wish they would just leave it all alone. I am not happy at all about the change they want to make for my neighborhood. But I'm not out there feigning concern about transparency and other neighborhoods. It is possible to be against boundary changes AND think that the GF people are full of it, you know. The fact that you're getting so defensive tells me you don't like being called out. We see you!

You see me what? Calling you out for your blatant ingratitude toward a group that appears to be trying to give a voice to people in this process?

Some people really would cut off their nose to spite their face. So weird.

You claim the Great Falls community is fighting on others' behalf, but on this new school issue that so many others need for relief they are clearly trying to drag their feet and slow the process. It is obvious that Great Falls picks and chooses based on their own interest, not on others' behalf. That's fine, just stop pretending otherwise.

I see fairfacts masters soliciting feedback to take back to BRAC and FCPS and pushing back against unnecessary boundary changes. I see you as a keyboard warrior complaining that they aren’t doing enough on your behalf.

So pathetic and lazy.

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You and I both know that no one cares what goes on in the eastern or central parts of the county. Even the affluent parts. The Hayfield football scandal was the most attention anyone has paid to Alexandria in YEARS! South County or Woodson or Falls Church could be doing human sacrifice for all anyone at FCPS would notice or care.

Honestly, I found out more about Hayfield on DCUM--except, maybe, in Fairfax Times and almost nothing in WAPO. We desperately need real local news somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t buy for one second that Great Falls people are advocating on behalf of everyone in the county when it comes to boundary stuff. Please! Do you think we are all stupid? We know you just don’t want to be sent to Herndon and everything you do and say is with that goal on mind. Which is fine — we are all looking out for ourselves here. But enough with the fake indignation about your motives being attacked. Your fake concern for others in the county is super obvious. Great Falls people aren’t exactly known for being altruistic, LOL.

Actually, I’ve found them to be incredibly great. It’s people who want to divide their neighbors who are truly repugnant. Got a mirror nearby?

Nice try. I am against boundary changes and wish they would just leave it all alone. I am not happy at all about the change they want to make for my neighborhood. But I'm not out there feigning concern about transparency and other neighborhoods. It is possible to be against boundary changes AND think that the GF people are full of it, you know. The fact that you're getting so defensive tells me you don't like being called out. We see you!

You see me what? Calling you out for your blatant ingratitude toward a group that appears to be trying to give a voice to people in this process?

Some people really would cut off their nose to spite their face. So weird.

You claim the Great Falls community is fighting on others' behalf, but on this new school issue that so many others need for relief they are clearly trying to drag their feet and slow the process. It is obvious that Great Falls picks and chooses based on their own interest, not on others' behalf. That's fine, just stop pretending otherwise.

I see fairfacts masters soliciting feedback to take back to BRAC and FCPS and pushing back against unnecessary boundary changes. I see you as a keyboard warrior complaining that they aren’t doing enough on your behalf.

So pathetic and lazy.

This Great Falls guy right now:

[Anonymous]

Reading and eating popcorn from my Herndon zoned house right now. We’re just chilling over here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. I don’t buy for one second that Great Falls people are advocating on behalf of everyone in the county when it comes to boundary stuff. Please! Do you think we are all stupid? We know you just don’t want to be sent to Herndon and everything you do and say is with that goal on mind. Which is fine — we are all looking out for ourselves here. But enough with the fake indignation about your motives being attacked. Your fake concern for others in the county is super obvious. Great Falls people aren’t exactly known for being altruistic, LOL.

Actually, I’ve found them to be incredibly great. It’s people who want to divide their neighbors who are truly repugnant. Got a mirror nearby?

Nice try. I am against boundary changes and wish they would just leave it all alone. I am not happy at all about the change they want to make for my neighborhood. But I'm not out there feigning concern about transparency and other neighborhoods. It is possible to be against boundary changes AND think that the GF people are full of it, you know. The fact that you're getting so defensive tells me you don't like being called out. We see you!

You see me what? Calling you out for your blatant ingratitude toward a group that appears to be trying to give a voice to people in this process?

Some people really would cut off their nose to spite their face. So weird.

You claim the Great Falls community is fighting on others' behalf, but on this new school issue that so many others need for relief they are clearly trying to drag their feet and slow the process. It is obvious that Great Falls picks and chooses based on their own interest, not on others' behalf. That's fine, just stop pretending otherwise.

I see fairfacts masters soliciting feedback to take back to BRAC and FCPS and pushing back against unnecessary boundary changes. I see you as a keyboard warrior complaining that they aren’t doing enough on your behalf.

So pathetic and lazy.

This Great Falls guy right now:

How did you make his picture as big as a keyboard warrior like yourself? Impressive computer skills.

Nonetheless, your complaints about other people not doing enough for you while you sit there and do absolutely nothing, remains pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading and eating popcorn from my Herndon zoned house right now. We’re just chilling over here.

Let me guess, your kids are in the other room watching tv while you’re on here?

[Anonymous]

Anyone watching the working session at 2:30 today? Will be interesting to see what they have to say about the $150 million in new obligations and how that might impact the CIP.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone watching the working session at 2:30 today? Will be interesting to see what they have to say about the $150 million in new obligations and how that might impact the CIP.

The newspaper articles I have read have said that the moeny for the purchase will come from the CIP. I take that to mean some projects will be pushed back but in the long run, there will be more money for renovations because the purchase of the existing land and building is far less expensive than purchasing the land and building a new building. I thought I saw a number that the projected cost of a new HS was in the $400 million range and this building was $150 million.

If it means that you don't need the Centerville expansion, that saves something like $40 million.

Once they decide what schools will be attending the new HS, they will see where there is space in the schools that lost students and can shift kids from Centerville and Chantilly, if it is needed. Since most people have been pointing to the fact that enrollments in both schools are declining, that might mean that there are fewer moves anyway. If Oakton or Langley or McLean see a bump in enrollment, due to new construction, there is space in SLHS and Herndon to absorb some of those moves.

The immediate impact is that the schools that were at 99%-105% capacity in the area will drop to the low 90%. Carson should not be a split feeder problem child. And there will be more money for renovations in the near future because the new school costs less than expected.

[Anonymous]

Ah the sounds of hens cackling on about nothing, that is what this thread has become.