Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t think of a male artist where his parents are given credit for his success because they supported his dream of becoming a musician. Yet this is routine for Taylor Swift.

Exactly. Her song, "The Man" describes this double-standard perfectly.

Meh. I don’t agree. She features her parents in her movies and they attend another shows and are recorded by video as they do so.

What male singers have dads giving away guitar picks at their shows or have their mom invite people backstage to see the star or talk about how their parents helped them?

The parents have been made part of the story by Taylor. I don’t know of any male stars who have done the same to the extent Taylor has.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

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She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

That is so great for her. Should we all be so lucky.

This all just makes the point that talent can be developed and you’ll need parents to alert you at a young age to what is even possible.

As a parent, I could not have done this because my kids have no desire for that life. I don’t even think I could have trained them for that life because they didn’t want to practice musical instruments.

Taylor had self-direction and worked hard to play guitar and write songs. Of course her parents helped by hiring her first guitar teacher, buying her a guitar, moving to Nashville, etc.

Billie Eilish and her brother had loads of time to create and practice because of being homeschooled.

You need a combination of time, money, and generally supportive parents to make it big as a young star. Lucky breaks help too.

None of this takes away from the hard work each star took to develop their skill and talent over time. You can see how far TS has come if you listening to the thin-voiced earlier albums and compare them to what she does now.

A star also has to be crafty with developing their fan base. Taylor has nurtured these people a long time.

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PS: You can see a similar dynamic with the dad of Venus and Serena. A driven man with a plan. It’s amazing that a stage parent can really develop a passion for play or performance in their kids. Venus and Serena had to like tennis. They could not have faked liking it and done that well.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

+2
She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

That is so great for her. Should we all be so lucky.

This all just makes the point that talent can be developed and you’ll need parents to alert you at a young age to what is even possible.

As a parent, I could not have done this because my kids have no desire for that life. I don’t even think I could have trained them for that life because they didn’t want to practice musical instruments.

Taylor had self-direction and worked hard to play guitar and write songs. Of course her parents helped by hiring her first guitar teacher, buying her a guitar, moving to Nashville, etc.

Billie Eilish and her brother had loads of time to create and practice because of being homeschooled.

You need a combination of time, money, and generally supportive parents to make it big as a young star. Lucky breaks help too.

None of this takes away from the hard work each star took to develop their skill and talent over time. You can see how far TS has come if you listening to the thin-voiced earlier albums and compare them to what she does now.

A star also has to be crafty with developing their fan base. Taylor has nurtured these people a long time.

There is indirect and direct influence. They are still directly involved with her business. You are describing indirect involvement - giving kids time and space to develop. TS’s parents are directly involved.

The PPs were saying TS gets all the credit for picking her team. Her team is comprised of her parents in DIRECT ways in her business. Why do you give her credit for picking her parents?

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t think of a male artist where his parents are given credit for his success because they supported his dream of becoming a musician. Yet this is routine for Taylor Swift.

Exactly. Her song, "The Man" describes this double-standard perfectly.

Meh. I don’t agree. She features her parents in her movies and they attend another shows and are recorded by video as they do so.

What male singers have dads giving away guitar picks at their shows or have their mom invite people backstage to see the star or talk about how their parents helped them?

The parents have been made part of the story by Taylor. I don’t know of any male stars who have done the same to the extent Taylor has.

Matty Healy.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

+2
She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

That is so great for her. Should we all be so lucky.

This all just makes the point that talent can be developed and you’ll need parents to alert you at a young age to what is even possible.

As a parent, I could not have done this because my kids have no desire for that life. I don’t even think I could have trained them for that life because they didn’t want to practice musical instruments.

Taylor had self-direction and worked hard to play guitar and write songs. Of course her parents helped by hiring her first guitar teacher, buying her a guitar, moving to Nashville, etc.

Billie Eilish and her brother had loads of time to create and practice because of being homeschooled.

You need a combination of time, money, and generally supportive parents to make it big as a young star. Lucky breaks help too.

None of this takes away from the hard work each star took to develop their skill and talent over time. You can see how far TS has come if you listening to the thin-voiced earlier albums and compare them to what she does now.

A star also has to be crafty with developing their fan base. Taylor has nurtured these people a long time.

There is indirect and direct influence. They are still directly involved with her business. You are describing indirect involvement - giving kids time and space to develop. TS’s parents are directly involved.

The PPs were saying TS gets all the credit for picking her team. Her team is comprised of her parents in DIRECT ways in her business. Why do you give her credit for picking her parents?

Are you out of your mind?! You think Serena and Venus Williams’ dad was an INDIRECT involvement?! You have officially lost all credibility with your points and are clearly just making your point over and over and just don’t see things for the reality they are. See ya.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t think of a male artist where his parents are given credit for his success because they supported his dream of becoming a musician. Yet this is routine for Taylor Swift.

Exactly. Her song, "The Man" describes this double-standard perfectly.

Meh. I don’t agree. She features her parents in her movies and they attend another shows and are recorded by video as they do so.

What male singers have dads giving away guitar picks at their shows or have their mom invite people backstage to see the star or talk about how their parents helped them?

The parents have been made part of the story by Taylor. I don’t know of any male stars who have done the same to the extent Taylor has.

Matty Healy.

Heaven forbid parents continue to be proud of their child and want to continue to support them.

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

It's really not that hard to use birth control....

Mid 30s in a committed year plus long relationship and on birth control is very odd.

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

It's really not that hard to use birth control....

Mid 30s in a committed year plus long relationship and on birth control is very odd.

That describes my marriage.

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

It's really not that hard to use birth control....

Mid 30s in a committed year plus long relationship and on birth control is very odd.

What backwards ass life are you putting on other people? That’s not odd at all if you current don’t want children. Weirdo.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

+2
She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

That is so great for her. Should we all be so lucky.

This all just makes the point that talent can be developed and you’ll need parents to alert you at a young age to what is even possible.

As a parent, I could not have done this because my kids have no desire for that life. I don’t even think I could have trained them for that life because they didn’t want to practice musical instruments.

Taylor had self-direction and worked hard to play guitar and write songs. Of course her parents helped by hiring her first guitar teacher, buying her a guitar, moving to Nashville, etc.

Billie Eilish and her brother had loads of time to create and practice because of being homeschooled.

You need a combination of time, money, and generally supportive parents to make it big as a young star. Lucky breaks help too.

None of this takes away from the hard work each star took to develop their skill and talent over time. You can see how far TS has come if you listening to the thin-voiced earlier albums and compare them to what she does now.

A star also has to be crafty with developing their fan base. Taylor has nurtured these people a long time.

There is indirect and direct influence. They are still directly involved with her business. You are describing indirect involvement - giving kids time and space to develop. TS’s parents are directly involved.

The PPs were saying TS gets all the credit for picking her team. Her team is comprised of her parents in DIRECT ways in her business. Why do you give her credit for picking her parents?

Are you out of your mind?! You think Serena and Venus Williams’ dad was an INDIRECT involvement?! You have officially lost all credibility with your points and are clearly just making your point over and over and just don’t see things for the reality they are. See ya.

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Williams sisters had DIRECT involvement from parents.

And you don’t know how direct or indirect the involvement was from Billie’s parents.

You’re just obsessed with your point of view and want to be a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

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She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

That is so great for her. Should we all be so lucky.

This all just makes the point that talent can be developed and you’ll need parents to alert you at a young age to what is even possible.

As a parent, I could not have done this because my kids have no desire for that life. I don’t even think I could have trained them for that life because they didn’t want to practice musical instruments.

Taylor had self-direction and worked hard to play guitar and write songs. Of course her parents helped by hiring her first guitar teacher, buying her a guitar, moving to Nashville, etc.

Billie Eilish and her brother had loads of time to create and practice because of being homeschooled.

You need a combination of time, money, and generally supportive parents to make it big as a young star. Lucky breaks help too.

None of this takes away from the hard work each star took to develop their skill and talent over time. You can see how far TS has come if you listening to the thin-voiced earlier albums and compare them to what she does now.

A star also has to be crafty with developing their fan base. Taylor has nurtured these people a long time.

There is indirect and direct influence. They are still directly involved with her business. You are describing indirect involvement - giving kids time and space to develop. TS’s parents are directly involved.

The PPs were saying TS gets all the credit for picking her team. Her team is comprised of her parents in DIRECT ways in her business. Why do you give her credit for picking her parents?

Are you out of your mind?! You think Serena and Venus Williams’ dad was an INDIRECT involvement?! You have officially lost all credibility with your points and are clearly just making your point over and over and just don’t see things for the reality they are. See ya.

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Williams sisters had DIRECT involvement from parents.

And you don’t know how direct or indirect the involvement was from Billie’s parents.

You’re just obsessed with your point of view and want to be a troll.

Those posts were from 2 different people.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t think of a male artist where his parents are given credit for his success because they supported his dream of becoming a musician. Yet this is routine for Taylor Swift.

Exactly. Her song, "The Man" describes this double-standard perfectly.

Meh. I don’t agree. She features her parents in her movies and they attend another shows and are recorded by video as they do so.

What male singers have dads giving away guitar picks at their shows or have their mom invite people backstage to see the star or talk about how their parents helped them?

The parents have been made part of the story by Taylor. I don’t know of any male stars who have done the same to the extent Taylor has.

She’s very close to her parents. How refreshing.

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

It's really not that hard to use birth control....

Mid 30s in a committed year plus long relationship and on birth control is very odd.

WTAF? It’s only odd if you see nothing wrong with “oooops I got knocked up by my boyfriend!” They are responsible adults. Good for them.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

This is one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever read. And by the way they didn’t even know each other 16 months ago.