Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

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She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

That is so great for her. Should we all be so lucky.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

+2
She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

And my entire point is that you can build the greatest website ever, have the most money, be a marketing genius, want to be famous, blah blah blah, and without actual fans it’s nothing but pipe dreams. She earned her fans by having actual talent and then working hard to fine tune her talent. You have to actually have something of value to market for that expertise to mean something. I could have that exact team and it would fall like a lead balloon because I suck at singing, songwriting, and performing.

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Anonymous wrote:So are they going to get married or what? I want her to be happy

She’ll never be happy with him long term. He isn’t her “twin.” In fact, they have very little in common.

IMO, that's why they work. She's always dated her twin, which has never worked in the past.

She's pretty much only stuck to dating those in the entertainment industry. I think Travis and Taylor work because he's 1) not in the entertainment industry so there's no jealousy over her being a bigger, more famous name. 2) he was just as well-known in the sports world; he shines just as bright as her. They are both equally "big deals" in their respective fields.

If you aren't a sports fan then you probably didn't know who Travis Kelce was before the bracelet incident in 2023, but those of us who follow football definitely knew his name and how great it was.

You didn’t even need to follow football closely. He hosted SNL.

Two of his SNL skits were epic.

How he did the American Girl Cafe skit without losing it is beyond me! Which other one did you think was epic (assuming that was one of your two?) I was shocked at how well he did on that show.

Most likely these two:

Those were the two now I’m googling American Girl Cafe

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Anonymous wrote:So are they going to get married or what? I want her to be happy

She’ll never be happy with him long term. He isn’t her “twin.” In fact, they have very little in common.

IMO, that's why they work. She's always dated her twin, which has never worked in the past.

She's pretty much only stuck to dating those in the entertainment industry. I think Travis and Taylor work because he's 1) not in the entertainment industry so there's no jealousy over her being a bigger, more famous name. 2) he was just as well-known in the sports world; he shines just as bright as her. They are both equally "big deals" in their respective fields.

If you aren't a sports fan then you probably didn't know who Travis Kelce was before the bracelet incident in 2023, but those of us who follow football definitely knew his name and how great it was.

You didn’t even need to follow football closely. He hosted SNL.

Two of his SNL skits were epic.

How he did the American Girl Cafe skit without losing it is beyond me! Which other one did you think was epic (assuming that was one of your two?) I was shocked at how well he did on that show.

Most likely these two:

Those were the two now I’m googling American Girl Cafe

Buckle up!

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

+2
She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

And my entire point is that you can build the greatest website ever, have the most money, be a marketing genius, want to be famous, blah blah blah, and without actual fans it’s nothing but pipe dreams. She earned her fans by having actual talent and then working hard to fine tune her talent. You have to actually have something of value to market for that expertise to mean something. I could have that exact team and it would fall like a lead balloon because I suck at singing, songwriting, and performing.

Yeah when the website was launched she and her dad didn’t know what her ‘talent’ was going to be yet. This was all in that letter that was released from a law suit. He said she is going to make it whether it is an actress singer or model. So, I guess the ‘talent’ took a while to show up.

But she doesn’t do it alone as girl boss CEO as posters up thread were arguing nor did she assemble her team, she was born into it.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

+2
She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

And my entire point is that you can build the greatest website ever, have the most money, be a marketing genius, want to be famous, blah blah blah, and without actual fans it’s nothing but pipe dreams. She earned her fans by having actual talent and then working hard to fine tune her talent. You have to actually have something of value to market for that expertise to mean something. I could have that exact team and it would fall like a lead balloon because I suck at singing, songwriting, and performing.

Yeah when the website was launched she and her dad didn’t know what her ‘talent’ was going to be yet. This was all in that letter that was released from a law suit. He said she is going to make it whether it is an actress singer or model. So, I guess the ‘talent’ took a while to show up.

But she doesn’t do it alone as girl boss CEO as posters up thread were arguing nor did she assemble her team, she was born into it.

So was every CEO.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

+2
She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

And my entire point is that you can build the greatest website ever, have the most money, be a marketing genius, want to be famous, blah blah blah, and without actual fans it’s nothing but pipe dreams. She earned her fans by having actual talent and then working hard to fine tune her talent. You have to actually have something of value to market for that expertise to mean something. I could have that exact team and it would fall like a lead balloon because I suck at singing, songwriting, and performing.

Yeah when the website was launched she and her dad didn’t know what her ‘talent’ was going to be yet. This was all in that letter that was released from a law suit. He said she is going to make it whether it is an actress singer or model. So, I guess the ‘talent’ took a while to show up.

But she doesn’t do it alone as girl boss CEO as posters up thread were arguing nor did she assemble her team, she was born into it.

WHO CARES?? You could give me every single ingredient to make elaborate homemade cake and that doesn't mean I can do anything with those ingredients. Their involvement early on means absolutely nothing today. ZERO. She took the ingredients that you say she was given, but she decided she was going to learn how to bake the cake, baked the cake, marketed the cake, sold the cake, talked about the cake, etc. You are insufferable.

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They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

This is just one reason (of many) that I respect her. She could've gotten pregnant with any of her past boyfriends and now with Kelce (a la the Kartrashians). She hasn't. No baby daddies, no absurd unending "engagements." When she's ready to get married and have kids, she will - on her own terms.

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their 20s who are in love and not knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

It's really not that hard to use birth control....

[Anonymous]

I can’t think of a male artist where his parents are given credit for his success because they supported his dream of becoming a musician. Yet this is routine for Taylor Swift.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

It's really not that hard to use birth control....

+100
Can't even believe what the PP just wrote. Those are some pretty irresponsible "college-educated kids in their mid 20s."

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t think of a male artist where his parents are given credit for his success because they supported his dream of becoming a musician. Yet this is routine for Taylor Swift.

Exactly. Her song, "The Man" describes this double-standard perfectly.

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

We don’t know if she’s ever been pregnant or not. It’s weird how so many of you assume you know her personal details. That parasocial thing she does works very well