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Anonymous wrote:Not an anti vaxxer, but i'm also of the position that it is near impossible that vaccines don't have *some* permanent ill effects for *some* people. Whether it is one in a million that it causes autism, or other auto immune diseases, etc.... The claim that "we know vaccines are totally safe!" seems BS, because you can't claim the absence of things that have been studied. As in, if no one has ever studied whether, say, people who themselves had the MMR vaccine as kids are more likely to give birth to a kid with ASD or thyroid disease or whatever.... then it can't be ruled out.
DP. I think the vaccine-autism debate is a red herring. I suspect the real reason for the huge rise in autism and other developmental disorders is the widespread use of fertility treatments, often in situations that are high risk to start with (AMA, family history, etc). I don't think there's a conspiracy theory surrounding the issue, but I think there's a big push to avoid saying it.
I agree and thought I was the only person who took note of this. Every autistic child I know had a mom who did some kind of fertility treatment.
Don't you think they're studying this already? My anecdotal evidence actually is the opposite of yours.
I don't know a single parent of a child with autism who had fertility treatments. I have two friends whose daughters have autism, both had the girls as newlyweds in their 20s. My friend with an autistic son actually had an oops pregnancy with a FWB - again, no treatments. My three or four friends who did fertility treatments all have neurotypical children.
Has anyone explored the possibility that autism is simply diagnosed more often than it was 30+ years ago? Not because its prevalence has actually risen but because we better understand how to diagnose it?
Sure, but there is also a reason that we have the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986. And it's not because zero harm is ever done by vaccines. It's because TOO MANY vaccine injuries were proven and the lobbyists successfully convinced congress to protect them from lawsuits so that the vaccine manufacturers didn't have to worry too much about being accountable for it.
I don't think anyone has ever said vaccines are 100% safe and there is zero risk of injury. What has been said is that the vaccine-autism link was debunked because no one could actually replicate Andrew Wakefield's results, and because he did not disclose his study was specifically funded by individuals seeking to go against vaccine manufacturers.
Every medication has potential side effects. The likes of Tylenol, which most of us take and administer to sick babies, have been known to cause adverse reactions or even death. Vaccine brochures openly state there is a risk of an adverse reaction and include death in that listing - I've been given a pamphlet that lists the risks every single time.
People really should study the biochemistry of the "other ingredients" in vaccines before they determine that they only cause adverse side effects "sometimes". Aluminum, thimerisol, polysorbate 80, monosodium glutamate, squalene, formaldehyde, sorbitol, etc. injected directly into your body are not ok and anyone that can't see that is crazy.
So my conspiracy theory is that they are dangerous and causing disease and that no one will ever allow that evidence to come out so of course no one believes they are harmful...and no one will ever be able to "prove" it. In some people, they cause autism, learning disabilities, allergies, asthma, autoimmune disease, ADHD, depression, anxiety, behavior problems, cancer, etc. All of the things we have seen an immense rise in in the past 20 years.
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