It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are

You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.

Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

You changed a flag, got some people to march around, and got a few cities to make controversial and possibly ineffective changes to their police forces. Now that we made a few little changes, you want an open promise to spend unknown (but massive) amounts of money on an unspecified (but feel free to add your own) list of reparations programs that may or may not solve systemic racism. If you don't get this, you'll stay home in November so that the guy who witholds money from sick children wins the election.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

And if they stay home, so what? They’re overplaying their hand and if trillions in cash transfer are the price for their support, I dont want it. Give me 4 more of Donnie. We will muddle through. He’s less odious.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are

You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.

Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?

Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?

DP. Reparations aren’t meaningful. People keep pointing this out, that reparations do nothing to address systemic causes of racism for this and future generations, in fact they’d reduce funding and political support for reforms that actually are “meaningful.” You seem to have no answer, so you keep describing them in terms like “meaningful.”

You clearly haven’t paid attention to any of the reparations suggested. They could fund reforms.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are

You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.

Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?

Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?

DP. Reparations aren’t meaningful. People keep pointing this out, that reparations do nothing to address systemic causes of racism for this and future generations, in fact they’d reduce funding and political support for reforms that actually are “meaningful.” You seem to have no answer, so you keep describing them in terms like “meaningful.”

You clearly haven’t paid attention to any of the reparations suggested. They could fund reforms.

You mean trillions over 10 or 20 years? Yeah, lots of options. How about “no”?

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are

You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.

Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

You changed a flag, got some people to march around, and got a few cities to make controversial and possibly ineffective changes to their police forces. Now that we made a few little changes, you want an open promise to spend unknown (but massive) amounts of money on an unspecified (but feel free to add your own) list of reparations programs that may or may not solve systemic racism. If you don't get this, you'll stay home in November so that the guy who witholds money from sick children wins the election.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

And if they stay home, so what? They’re overplaying their hand and if trillions in cash transfer are the price for their support, I dont want it. Give me 4 more of Donnie. We will muddle through. He’s less odious.

I really doubt they'll stay home. Outside fringes like this thread, there are more pressing issues at the moment.

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FROM THE BLACK WISDOM thread:


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I am a big fan of John McWhorter who wrote 5 years ago how anti-racism has become a new religion. White people are born with the original sin of racism and must spend their lives trying to achieve wokeness.
There are priests like Ta-Nehesi Coates and Nikole Hannah-Jones who instruct the acolytes how to behave. "The call for people to soberly “acknowledge” their White Privilege as a self-standing, totemic act is based on the same justification as acknowledging one’s fundamental sinfulness is as a Christian."

(Of course, McWhorter has also stated the obvious -- that Donald Trump is completely unqualified to be President of the United States.)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/antiracism-our-flawed-new-religion


Agreed. I don't hold white people responsible for the crimes of their ancestors, assuming they were even in this country when slavery was legal. Who knows, maybe their ancestors were anti-slavery and lived in the North? I also don't demand that they do something for me (or g-d forbid, BLM or other organization exploiting the current situation). White people don't owe me anything. Saying that they do means that I both need and expect help from white people. I don't. All I want is to be acknowledged for what I can do. The best anti-poverty, anti-racism, anti-anything is an education. I received one free for 12 years, with college credits to boot! It was on me to make something of that free education. My parents were working to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table. I saw them do honest work for low pay until they were able to get higher pay after proving themselves.

You want an original sin? It's laziness. We're all born with it, and the only way to become "woke" to it is through hard work.


+100
I wish all the "woke" liberal white people accusing others of "racism" because they choose not to virtue signal on social media would read this thread and take a seat.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are

You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.

Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?

Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?

DP. Reparations aren’t meaningful. People keep pointing this out, that reparations do nothing to address systemic causes of racism for this and future generations, in fact they’d reduce funding and political support for reforms that actually are “meaningful.” You seem to have no answer, so you keep describing them in terms like “meaningful.”

You clearly haven’t paid attention to any of the reparations suggested. They could fund reforms.

Everything I saw was things to be pay for. I didn't see anything about how to fund it other than the usual "taxes" and "debt." But outside war and pandemics, we've never spent trillions without a lot of debate.

[Anonymous]

Reparations discussion is being significantly driven by opportunists and Russian intelligence - not entirely, of course.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are

You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.

Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?

Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?

DP. Reparations aren’t meaningful. People keep pointing this out, that reparations do nothing to address systemic causes of racism for this and future generations, in fact they’d reduce funding and political support for reforms that actually are “meaningful.” You seem to have no answer, so you keep describing them in terms like “meaningful.”

You clearly haven’t paid attention to any of the reparations suggested. They could fund reforms.

Everything I saw was things to be pay for. I didn't see anything about how to fund it other than the usual "taxes" and "debt." But outside war and pandemics, we've never spent trillions without a lot of debate.

Somehow Germany is able to pay reparations to jewish people while maintaining a strong social safety net and leading the strongest economy in the EU. If the USA wanted to legitimately reimburse people for damages caused by the State then we would have no problem. It’s the political opposition that is the roadblock.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are

You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.

Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?

Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?

DP. Reparations aren’t meaningful. People keep pointing this out, that reparations do nothing to address systemic causes of racism for this and future generations, in fact they’d reduce funding and political support for reforms that actually are “meaningful.” You seem to have no answer, so you keep describing them in terms like “meaningful.”

You clearly haven’t paid attention to any of the reparations suggested. They could fund reforms.

Everything I saw was things to be pay for. I didn't see anything about how to fund it other than the usual "taxes" and "debt." But outside war and pandemics, we've never spent trillions without a lot of debate.

Somehow Germany is able to pay reparations to jewish people while maintaining a strong social safety net and leading the strongest economy in the EU. If the USA wanted to legitimately reimburse people for damages caused by the State then we would have no problem. It’s the political opposition that is the roadblock.

Yep, opposition to wasting money. We have already tried spending billions of dollars on education, but it didn't help because we can't force families to prioritize education.

We also see black people murdering other black people on the news every single day. Do you think that makes most Americans want to help the black community?

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are

You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.

Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?

Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?

DP. Reparations aren’t meaningful. People keep pointing this out, that reparations do nothing to address systemic causes of racism for this and future generations, in fact they’d reduce funding and political support for reforms that actually are “meaningful.” You seem to have no answer, so you keep describing them in terms like “meaningful.”

You clearly haven’t paid attention to any of the reparations suggested. They could fund reforms.

Everything I saw was things to be pay for. I didn't see anything about how to fund it other than the usual "taxes" and "debt." But outside war and pandemics, we've never spent trillions without a lot of debate.

Somehow Germany is able to pay reparations to jewish people while maintaining a strong social safety net and leading the strongest economy in the EU. If the USA wanted to legitimately reimburse people for damages caused by the State then we would have no problem. It’s the political opposition that is the roadblock.

Yep, opposition to wasting money. We have already tried spending billions of dollars on education, but it didn't help because we can't force families to prioritize education.

We also see black people murdering other black people on the news every single day. Do you think that makes most Americans want to help the black community?

Why do you think there is higher crime in impoverished areas? Why are black people disproportionately impoverished?

Hint: centuries of oppression and ongoing systemic racism

[Anonymous]

It’s almost certainly unconstitutional to give out money and other government benefits to only one racial group.

If you want something like reparations, it has to be social programs that are open to all people of a certain income. Otherwise you’re looking at having to amend the Constitution to allow for discrimination based on race.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s almost certainly unconstitutional to give out money and other government benefits to only one racial group.

If you want something like reparations, it has to be social programs that are open to all people of a certain income. Otherwise you’re looking at having to amend the Constitution to allow for discrimination based on race.

Do you mean assistance to former victims of Jim Crow laws, who still are under a certain income level would not be legal?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s almost certainly unconstitutional to give out money and other government benefits to only one racial group.

If you want something like reparations, it has to be social programs that are open to all people of a certain income. Otherwise you’re looking at having to amend the Constitution to allow for discrimination based on race.

Do you mean assistance to former victims of Jim Crow laws, who still are under a certain income level would not be legal?

DP here. If the assistance were restricted by race, it might be unconstitutional. Probably depends on composition of SCOTUS by the time it gets there.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are

You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.

Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?

Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?

DP. Reparations aren’t meaningful. People keep pointing this out, that reparations do nothing to address systemic causes of racism for this and future generations, in fact they’d reduce funding and political support for reforms that actually are “meaningful.” You seem to have no answer, so you keep describing them in terms like “meaningful.”

You clearly haven’t paid attention to any of the reparations suggested. They could fund reforms.

Everything I saw was things to be pay for. I didn't see anything about how to fund it other than the usual "taxes" and "debt." But outside war and pandemics, we've never spent trillions without a lot of debate.

Let’s have the debate. Start with a commission to study it and go from there.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are

You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.

Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?

Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?

DP. Reparations aren’t meaningful. People keep pointing this out, that reparations do nothing to address systemic causes of racism for this and future generations, in fact they’d reduce funding and political support for reforms that actually are “meaningful.” You seem to have no answer, so you keep describing them in terms like “meaningful.”

You clearly haven’t paid attention to any of the reparations suggested. They could fund reforms.

Everything I saw was things to be pay for. I didn't see anything about how to fund it other than the usual "taxes" and "debt." But outside war and pandemics, we've never spent trillions without a lot of debate.

Somehow Germany is able to pay reparations to jewish people while maintaining a strong social safety net and leading the strongest economy in the EU. If the USA wanted to legitimately reimburse people for damages caused by the State then we would have no problem. It’s the political opposition that is the roadblock.

Yeah that's right. If nobody opposed it, you'd have no opposition. If people didn't want to spend the money on other things, they would want to spend it on this.