Roe v Wade struck down

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Anonymous wrote: This is not something I thought I would ever actually see.

Kudos to the SCOTUS on this. Always should have been up to the states.

But why exactly? I'm just looking for the rationale why it should be a state decision and not a federal one. I can't have children anymore so just curious for the next generation.

There is no Constitutional right to an abortion. The Constitution enshrines a very small number of fundamental enumerated and unenumerated rights. It doesn’t protect everything that’s good.

In the midst of a massive social and political fight over abortion, Roe and Casey created an obvious fiction: a Constitutional right to “privacy” that included a right to abortion. This removed the issue from the usual political process, and did irreparable damage to the Court and the country. Suddenly the Court was a 100% political institution.

Today’s decision delivers the issue back to the political process, where it always should have been. I am basically pro choice. I also recognize that someone isn’t crazy, or a bigot or a woman hater, if they really feel like aborting a fetus (particularly one that is viable, can feel pain, etc.) is murder or something close to it. It’s a complicated issue. There is going to have to be a compromise that leaves both sides unhappy. And the debate will continue, people will make arguments, mobilize votes. That’s what’s supposed to happen on hotly contested policy questions in a democracy.

So basically the constitution didn't and still doesn't consider having an abortion ending a life? The constitution enshrines life as far as I know. Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.

No idea what your post is even trying to articulate. But the Constitution is different from the Declaration of Independence.

This kind of demonstrates the point though. This illiterate PP is free to have an opinion about abortion rights. But trying to support that opinion in the context of Constitutional law is a joke. You people have no clue what you’re talking about.

True I don't know but I started my request asking why this was a state's rights verses federal decision so I pretty much said I was ignorant from the beginning and never gave an opinion. I'm not a supreme court judge nor do I really have an opinion on abortion either way. I think more children and women should be cared for, but I don't know the law what should be allowed. Pro lifers seem to think it's murder so they would want a federal ruling I'd think that it was taking away a life and not a state's rights. I don't really understand why it was federal for roe-v wade and now why states have the right to decide. I don't really understand the new or old law on this. I'm mainly curious why it was determined that this be a state decision rather than a federal one.

Roe held that there was a constitutional right to an abortion. Applied to the whole country/federal.

This SCOTUS is now saying there is no constitutional right to an abortion. This means that the states can legislate any way they want. So it’s now a state by state issue.

Thank you. And originally it was a constitutional right because?

Because all people are guaranteed liberty under the constitution, which can only be abridged by the state given compelling interests. The states now need no reason to infringe upon your rights. Great job conservatives.

The right to reproduce is the most basic right of all, next to the right to live. Everything else is meaningless. Abortion is baked into the human experience. It’s not surprising to me the Founders took it for granted. In fact, until very recently this obsession with fetuses was a fringe Catholic belief only.

And not even really a Catholic belief. When my grandmother had a miscarriage in 1931, did anyone act like it was a death of a child? No. When my mom had one in 1966, did anyone? No. It's only very recently that Catholics have gone in for those "angel in heaven" and prayer services for miscarried fetuses. All that stuff came *after* the massive anti-abortion movement, which was thoroughly astrotufed by Republicans who needed a rallying cry post-Nixon to rebuild the party.

^^^This. It's all manufactured.

Way more embryos are miscarried than ever get gestated and born. If embryos and fetuses were sacred human life created by a supreme being, then that supreme being sure is a sick monster. And don't come back with the "god has a plan" nonsense. It makes absolutely no sense to create billions of embryos and fetuses, say they have souls and call them sacred life, and then have them wash down the toilet from natural circumstances, often before a woman even knows there was a conception. You anti-abortionists have no rejoinder to this philosophical conundrum, which is why you always conveniently ignore it.

I have an issue with abortion not from a philosophical perspective but because the fetus can feel pain during the procedure.

No, it can’t. Where do you get this crap from?

There is some evidence that fetuses may feel pain, but it is entirely unknowable. If this is an honest objection, it can be addressed with fetal analgesics during the procedure, but I sense it isn't a good faith objection.

Of course it’s not. How do you experience pain if you don’t have a fully developed brain??

The somatosensory cortex may be developed enough to feel pain.

Science is apparently selective to Democrats.

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As if Republicans accept science now?? No one believes that.

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Anonymous wrote:Pro life and highly educated here. I had two unplanned pregnancies. Two sons, both are now adults, and their leftist father and family tried to get me to abort.

Highly educated but can’t figure out that you got to make your own choice here, the same choice you want to take away from women. Since forced birthers like you have trouble with this, imagine that the “leftist father” with whom you had intercourse with (outside the bonds of marriage) had been allowed to force you to abort.

(And you twice conceived with a man who didn’t want children? Odd that you, according to the forced birth dogma I’ve been subjected to, didn’t take any kind of precautions or personal responsibility.)

Abortion isn’t banned. It’s now up to the states to decide what they want to make law, and what they don’t. If the leftist father was able to make me abort, the same people screaming now would be supporting him and not my right to choose to keep the kids. And I was married at the time.

Do you not understand what “leaving it to the states” means?

It means it will be banned in certain states. It means a federal ban is possible. No one advocates for forced abortion in this forum. Maybe you’re thinking about China.

No. And using the word leftist like it's an insult. AS if there are not plenty of conservatives who are pro choice...oh wait...there's that word again...CHOICE. You had one.

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I 100% agree with this. Roe was badly argued.

But, where do we go from here?

Where is the equivalent of the Legal Defense Fund embarking on a 20-year quest to make abortion safe and legal forever in this country?

Where? I'll give them money! I'll join them! Who is going to do this work?

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Anonymous wrote:Pro life and highly educated here. I had two unplanned pregnancies. Two sons, both are now adults, and their leftist father and family tried to get me to abort.

Highly educated but can’t figure out that you got to make your own choice here, the same choice you want to take away from women. Since forced birthers like you have trouble with this, imagine that the “leftist father” with whom you had intercourse with (outside the bonds of marriage) had been allowed to force you to abort.

(And you twice conceived with a man who didn’t want children? Odd that you, according to the forced birth dogma I’ve been subjected to, didn’t take any kind of precautions or personal responsibility.)

Abortion isn’t banned. It’s now up to the states to decide what they want to make law, and what they don’t. If the leftist father was able to make me abort, the same people screaming now would be supporting him and not my right to choose to keep the kids. And I was married at the time.

Was your sex partner able to make you abort???? You said above you didn't get abortions. Why are you changing the story now?

Pro-choice people don't believe in the government or anyone interfering in an individual woman's reproductive health care choices. And we all know that, so stop your gaslighting.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for nothing, RBG.

Thank RBG for the Family Leave Act. She made it happen. Thank her. She ought to have retired from the court, true, and that was a mistake. But this is not all on her. She was a great lawyer and justice.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL, 6-3 decision, not even close.

Here comes the summer of rage.

And yet several of those six judges testified under oath that Roe vs. Wade was established precedent and the law of the land.

Can those judges (and I'm looking at you, Brett and Amy!) be impeached or prosecuted for lying under oath to congress?

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate, apolitical soccer mom here- where can I protest? I seriously didn't believe this would happen. How could it?!?

I aborted a baby that had Potter Syndrome (no kidneys) after 20 weeks. The baby would have died on arrival. I'm 100% positive I would have had to carry that baby to term and cry every time I felt it kicking knowing it would die. My health was not in danger, but the baby would die no matter what I did. I went on to have 3 more extremely wanted and loved babies.

Sorry, honey, but you will have to carry that baby to term, crying all the way. That's what these "pro-life" folks want, so you'll have to suck it up, OK?

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for nothing, RBG.

Thank RBG for the Family Leave Act. She made it happen. Thank her. She ought to have retired from the court, true, and that was a mistake. But this is not all on her. She was a great lawyer and justice.

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s say RGB retired...so what We get a 5-4 vote instead of a 6-3? Same outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally, after the suctioning of 63 million growing babies

STFU you total POS!!

those were fetuses, not "babies"

grow a brain and learn the difference

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The list of states I will never visit gets longer. And there’s zero chance my kids will look there for college.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. This will mobilize the masses.

No it won’t. People are apathetic about anything that won’t affect them personally.

Oh hell no, even Republican women are fired up. All republican women were not anti abortion. But I don't know what to do personally. Write congress? March? I never see any of those effect change.

No.

Start a legal campaign using solid reasoning.

Civil rights.

Equal protection.

These will prevail.

Roe was a weak case, which made it vulnerable.

Unfortunately, too many of us took it for granted. And we believed Bratty Would-Be-Rapist Kavanaugh and Amy Boob Job when they said it was settled law.

Get a decision that won't fail. It's possible if you want it. The law is on our side.

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We need some billionaires to step up and fund to the max the organizations that are helping poor women in red states get abortions.

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Anonymous wrote:Corporations need to speak up and leave states that have banned abortions. Offering to pay for women to travel out of state doesn’t cut it. No reason for women’s privacy to be violated to uphold an extreme religious doctrine.

Agree. This is a major human rights issue. Out of these states. I’m ready to boycott the companies that don’t leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate, apolitical soccer mom here- where can I protest? I seriously didn't believe this would happen. How could it?!?

I aborted a baby that had Potter Syndrome (no kidneys) after 20 weeks. The baby would have died on arrival. I'm 100% positive I would have had to carry that baby to term and cry every time I felt it kicking knowing it would die. My health was not in danger, but the baby would die no matter what I did. I went on to have 3 more extremely wanted and loved babies.

Sorry, honey, but you will have to carry that baby to term, crying all the way. That's what these "pro-life" folks want, so you'll have to suck it up, OK?

For someone who is on the same side as this mom, you sure expressed that in a terrible and heartless way. I'm sorry for your loss, PP. I also lost a baby and went on to have children, but I still think of that one with sadness.