Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Someone posted a rolling stone article on Reddit from end of August. I hadn’t read before so don’t know if it’s already been discussed here. Thought this part was interesting:

CREW MEMBERS WHO spoke to Rolling Stone say they noticed a shift in Lively’s demeanor and enthusiasm during filming. She was initially excited to begin the project, they say, bringing in scrapbooks of ideas and notes regarding the details of her character’s wardrobe and set decorations. According to members of production, Lively had her own vision of how she wanted Lily to dress, which conflicted with the costume department’s ideas.
“We went dark because of picket lines and [in that time] the costume department was running around with their heads cut off trying to figure out how they could change everything to make sure Blake was happy,” one crew member says. “There were a lot of returns, exchanges, and repurchasing of an entire wardrobe.”
Another crew member says the production designer was put on the spot when Lively asked them to change the initial plan for Lily’s flower store in the film. They say the lookbook for the original set design was “almost Gothic” with rich, dark violet and deep red colors — what the crew member describes as “a moody vibe.” But when Lively came into the production office, they say, she said she didn’t think that look aligned with Lily’s character or style. (The production designer did not respond to Rolling Stone’s request to discuss the project.) While the design ultimately didn’t change much, the crew member says the incident was one example of the pressure that was felt behind the scenes over conflicting ideas.
The three crew members say Lively was not the presence on set they expected. She often had schedule conflicts, they say, which is common for actors but not usually for the principal actor who is also a producer on the project. Not long after photos of her on set leaked in the press, her passion for the project seemed to drop off precipitously, all three noted. It was widely discussed among the line members of production, these sources say, that Lively lacked a desire to be on set.

This is not surprising at all, considering Blake constantly starts stuff and doesn’t see them through. Her silly production company that never got off the ground, her failed companies, this was no different. She likes dressing up and playing an actress and going to red carpets, but she doesn’t want to do the actual work.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone posted a rolling stone article on Reddit from end of August. I hadn’t read before so don’t know if it’s already been discussed here. Thought this part was interesting:

CREW MEMBERS WHO spoke to Rolling Stone say they noticed a shift in Lively’s demeanor and enthusiasm during filming. She was initially excited to begin the project, they say, bringing in scrapbooks of ideas and notes regarding the details of her character’s wardrobe and set decorations. According to members of production, Lively had her own vision of how she wanted Lily to dress, which conflicted with the costume department’s ideas.
“We went dark because of picket lines and [in that time] the costume department was running around with their heads cut off trying to figure out how they could change everything to make sure Blake was happy,” one crew member says. “There were a lot of returns, exchanges, and repurchasing of an entire wardrobe.”
Another crew member says the production designer was put on the spot when Lively asked them to change the initial plan for Lily’s flower store in the film. They say the lookbook for the original set design was “almost Gothic” with rich, dark violet and deep red colors — what the crew member describes as “a moody vibe.” But when Lively came into the production office, they say, she said she didn’t think that look aligned with Lily’s character or style. (The production designer did not respond to Rolling Stone’s request to discuss the project.) While the design ultimately didn’t change much, the crew member says the incident was one example of the pressure that was felt behind the scenes over conflicting ideas.
The three crew members say Lively was not the presence on set they expected. She often had schedule conflicts, they say, which is common for actors but not usually for the principal actor who is also a producer on the project. Not long after photos of her on set leaked in the press, her passion for the project seemed to drop off precipitously, all three noted. It was widely discussed among the line members of production, these sources say, that Lively lacked a desire to be on set.

This is not surprising at all, considering Blake constantly starts stuff and doesn’t see them through. Her silly production company that never got off the ground, her failed companies, this was no different. She likes dressing up and playing an actress and going to red carpets, but she doesn’t want to do the actual work.

Wow, you really hate Blake Lively a lot. Like, a lot, a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:The Heath allegations are continuing to be problematic. Im seeing commentary that Blake just did the typical rich southern white lady who thinks everything the Black man does is sexual.

That is very unfair, because she also makes complaints about being uncomfortable with Baldoni and the OBGYN guy, who has a Jewish name. She pretty clearly articulates the issues with Heath are that he said he wouldn't turn around and face her while she was undressed but then he did, and that he should her an unwanted video of his wife. Those might be a stretch, but no more so than what she says about Baldoni, and there is no reason to make it a race thing. I'm 100% sure that if Baldoni or Sarowitz or the OBGYN actor had turned around and looked at her while she was breastfeeding or having makeup removed, she also would have complained.

It may be unfair, but you can’t deny the public perception is not good for Blake. She already has the nickname plantation princess because of her wedding venue choice. There’s been at least two other video interviews that have surfaced that have problematic comments on race for Blake.

But yes, there is a perception out there that is not helping Blake’s image. It is what it is.

Just noting again that Baldoni attended a plantation wedding several years ago where as he recounts in his book, he behaved very insensitively to the black friend who came with his group, negating her concerns about the venue, telling her he didn’t see color, gaslighting her about her concerns, and then ghosting her when she emailed a longer explanation of what was wrong with the the venue but commiserating with fellow attendees instead.

I believe he apologized to her later, but Reynolds also publicly apologized to EVERYONE later on his and Lively’s behalf, explained the site used was chosen bc it was from The Notebook but that they were deeply sorry and deeply regretted the choice. Lively also made an Instagram post announcing a $200k donation to NAACP legal defense fund after the murder of George Floyd stating “We're ashamed that in the past we've allowed ourselves to be uninformed about how deeply rooted systemic racism is. [We] talk to our kids about everything, all of it … including our own complicity. We talk about our bias, blindness and our own mistakes. We look back and see so many mistakes which have led us to deeply examine who we are and want to become.”

It’s more of a problem for Lively because it was her own wedding. At the same time, Baldoni not Lively was also sued for racial discrimination and then retaliation by a black man he lured to his podcast with promises of a long term job, then fired when he actually stood up for the discriminatory way a black guest on the podcast was being treated. This is another example of how Baldoni talked a big game about feminism and racial understanding in Man Enough *in theory* only to run a very different and chaotic set that did not follow through on those ideals *in practice.*. Still, Team Baldoni keeps on with this, maybe not recognizing that it can rear up to hurt Baldini if anyone bothers to look more closely.

You said a lot of words, but the fact is going to a plantation wedding and hosting a plantation wedding is very different.

Add that to the fact that she had a lifestyle brand about the antebellum south… And the whole LA face Oakland, booty controversy that she had to apologize for. At the end of the day, he’s not the one accusing a black man of being overly sexual toward him, is he?

DP, but I wanted to note that she doesn't actually accuse Heath of being "overly sexual" toward her. She's not accusing him of hitting on her or trying to sleep with her. Her allegations (toward both Heath and Baldoni) are more about being inappropriate about sex and nudity in general way to the point where it made her uncomfortable. She also has some allegations towards Baldoni about him maybe crossing boundaries in their kissing scenes, but obviously these aren't against Heath.

And before you say "well see! it's not even sexual harassment if he wasn't being overly sexual to her or hitting on her," no. Hostile work environment claims don't just refer to sexual advances (which are actually more likely to fall into the quid pro quo category of sexual harassment anyway). It's any "unwelcome conduct" that is either sexual in nature OR gender-based, and severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

So, for instance, I often see people arguing that the events related to the birth scene and the birth video can't be sexual harassment because it's not about sex. But this is incorrect. Childbirth is an inherently sex-based or gender-based activity, and Lively was singled out to be nude in that scene and expected to watch the birth video because of her sex. A man would not be filming a scene that involved him giving birth, and he would not be expected to watch a video of Heath's wife giving birth in relation to that scene. It's sexual harassment because the behavior is based on the sex or gender of the participants, not because anyone is trying to do anything sexual.

To give an example that might be more relatable to people who aren't actors on movie sets, it would be akin to your boss telling you that you should really be using a menstrual cup instead of tampons. That's obviously not a come on, but it's a sex-based comment that is inappropriate and, if part of a pattern of similar behavior, could be considered severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

Sexual harassment is not just about sexual advances.

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Anonymous wrote:The Heath allegations are continuing to be problematic. Im seeing commentary that Blake just did the typical rich southern white lady who thinks everything the Black man does is sexual.

That is very unfair, because she also makes complaints about being uncomfortable with Baldoni and the OBGYN guy, who has a Jewish name. She pretty clearly articulates the issues with Heath are that he said he wouldn't turn around and face her while she was undressed but then he did, and that he should her an unwanted video of his wife. Those might be a stretch, but no more so than what she says about Baldoni, and there is no reason to make it a race thing. I'm 100% sure that if Baldoni or Sarowitz or the OBGYN actor had turned around and looked at her while she was breastfeeding or having makeup removed, she also would have complained.

It may be unfair, but you can’t deny the public perception is not good for Blake. She already has the nickname plantation princess because of her wedding venue choice. There’s been at least two other video interviews that have surfaced that have problematic comments on race for Blake.

But yes, there is a perception out there that is not helping Blake’s image. It is what it is.

Just noting again that Baldoni attended a plantation wedding several years ago where as he recounts in his book, he behaved very insensitively to the black friend who came with his group, negating her concerns about the venue, telling her he didn’t see color, gaslighting her about her concerns, and then ghosting her when she emailed a longer explanation of what was wrong with the the venue but commiserating with fellow attendees instead.

I believe he apologized to her later, but Reynolds also publicly apologized to EVERYONE later on his and Lively’s behalf, explained the site used was chosen bc it was from The Notebook but that they were deeply sorry and deeply regretted the choice. Lively also made an Instagram post announcing a $200k donation to NAACP legal defense fund after the murder of George Floyd stating “We're ashamed that in the past we've allowed ourselves to be uninformed about how deeply rooted systemic racism is. [We] talk to our kids about everything, all of it … including our own complicity. We talk about our bias, blindness and our own mistakes. We look back and see so many mistakes which have led us to deeply examine who we are and want to become.”

It’s more of a problem for Lively because it was her own wedding. At the same time, Baldoni not Lively was also sued for racial discrimination and then retaliation by a black man he lured to his podcast with promises of a long term job, then fired when he actually stood up for the discriminatory way a black guest on the podcast was being treated. This is another example of how Baldoni talked a big game about feminism and racial understanding in Man Enough *in theory* only to run a very different and chaotic set that did not follow through on those ideals *in practice.*. Still, Team Baldoni keeps on with this, maybe not recognizing that it can rear up to hurt Baldini if anyone bothers to look more closely.

You said a lot of words, but the fact is going to a plantation wedding and hosting a plantation wedding is very different.

Add that to the fact that she had a lifestyle brand about the antebellum south… And the whole LA face Oakland, booty controversy that she had to apologize for. At the end of the day, he’s not the one accusing a black man of being overly sexual toward him, is he?

DP, but I wanted to note that she doesn't actually accuse Heath of being "overly sexual" toward her. She's not accusing him of hitting on her or trying to sleep with her. Her allegations (toward both Heath and Baldoni) are more about being inappropriate about sex and nudity in general way to the point where it made her uncomfortable. She also has some allegations towards Baldoni about him maybe crossing boundaries in their kissing scenes, but obviously these aren't against Heath.

And before you say "well see! it's not even sexual harassment if he wasn't being overly sexual to her or hitting on her," no. Hostile work environment claims don't just refer to sexual advances (which are actually more likely to fall into the quid pro quo category of sexual harassment anyway). It's any "unwelcome conduct" that is either sexual in nature OR gender-based, and severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

So, for instance, I often see people arguing that the events related to the birth scene and the birth video can't be sexual harassment because it's not about sex. But this is incorrect. Childbirth is an inherently sex-based or gender-based activity, and Lively was singled out to be nude in that scene and expected to watch the birth video because of her sex. A man would not be filming a scene that involved him giving birth, and he would not be expected to watch a video of Heath's wife giving birth in relation to that scene. It's sexual harassment because the behavior is based on the sex or gender of the participants, not because anyone is trying to do anything sexual.

To give an example that might be more relatable to people who aren't actors on movie sets, it would be akin to your boss telling you that you should really be using a menstrual cup instead of tampons. That's obviously not a come on, but it's a sex-based comment that is inappropriate and, if part of a pattern of similar behavior, could be considered severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

Sexual harassment is not just about sexual advances.

Interestingly, one could confidently make this common-sense statement maybe 3-4 years ago, but today that’s a very unenlightened position—as it assumes that biology defines things such as that a woman is an adult human female, but since that is now scrapped and the terms man/woman are entirely open to personal interpretation, I’m interested to know how this changes interpretation of how an act can be a sex-based discrimination against women. How can you protect a group that you can’t objectively define?

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Anonymous wrote:The Heath allegations are continuing to be problematic. Im seeing commentary that Blake just did the typical rich southern white lady who thinks everything the Black man does is sexual.

That is very unfair, because she also makes complaints about being uncomfortable with Baldoni and the OBGYN guy, who has a Jewish name. She pretty clearly articulates the issues with Heath are that he said he wouldn't turn around and face her while she was undressed but then he did, and that he should her an unwanted video of his wife. Those might be a stretch, but no more so than what she says about Baldoni, and there is no reason to make it a race thing. I'm 100% sure that if Baldoni or Sarowitz or the OBGYN actor had turned around and looked at her while she was breastfeeding or having makeup removed, she also would have complained.

It may be unfair, but you can’t deny the public perception is not good for Blake. She already has the nickname plantation princess because of her wedding venue choice. There’s been at least two other video interviews that have surfaced that have problematic comments on race for Blake.

But yes, there is a perception out there that is not helping Blake’s image. It is what it is.

Just noting again that Baldoni attended a plantation wedding several years ago where as he recounts in his book, he behaved very insensitively to the black friend who came with his group, negating her concerns about the venue, telling her he didn’t see color, gaslighting her about her concerns, and then ghosting her when she emailed a longer explanation of what was wrong with the the venue but commiserating with fellow attendees instead.

I believe he apologized to her later, but Reynolds also publicly apologized to EVERYONE later on his and Lively’s behalf, explained the site used was chosen bc it was from The Notebook but that they were deeply sorry and deeply regretted the choice. Lively also made an Instagram post announcing a $200k donation to NAACP legal defense fund after the murder of George Floyd stating “We're ashamed that in the past we've allowed ourselves to be uninformed about how deeply rooted systemic racism is. [We] talk to our kids about everything, all of it … including our own complicity. We talk about our bias, blindness and our own mistakes. We look back and see so many mistakes which have led us to deeply examine who we are and want to become.”

It’s more of a problem for Lively because it was her own wedding. At the same time, Baldoni not Lively was also sued for racial discrimination and then retaliation by a black man he lured to his podcast with promises of a long term job, then fired when he actually stood up for the discriminatory way a black guest on the podcast was being treated. This is another example of how Baldoni talked a big game about feminism and racial understanding in Man Enough *in theory* only to run a very different and chaotic set that did not follow through on those ideals *in practice.*. Still, Team Baldoni keeps on with this, maybe not recognizing that it can rear up to hurt Baldini if anyone bothers to look more closely.

You said a lot of words, but the fact is going to a plantation wedding and hosting a plantation wedding is very different.

Add that to the fact that she had a lifestyle brand about the antebellum south… And the whole LA face Oakland, booty controversy that she had to apologize for. At the end of the day, he’s not the one accusing a black man of being overly sexual toward him, is he?

DP, but I wanted to note that she doesn't actually accuse Heath of being "overly sexual" toward her. She's not accusing him of hitting on her or trying to sleep with her. Her allegations (toward both Heath and Baldoni) are more about being inappropriate about sex and nudity in general way to the point where it made her uncomfortable. She also has some allegations towards Baldoni about him maybe crossing boundaries in their kissing scenes, but obviously these aren't against Heath.

And before you say "well see! it's not even sexual harassment if he wasn't being overly sexual to her or hitting on her," no. Hostile work environment claims don't just refer to sexual advances (which are actually more likely to fall into the quid pro quo category of sexual harassment anyway). It's any "unwelcome conduct" that is either sexual in nature OR gender-based, and severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

So, for instance, I often see people arguing that the events related to the birth scene and the birth video can't be sexual harassment because it's not about sex. But this is incorrect. Childbirth is an inherently sex-based or gender-based activity, and Lively was singled out to be nude in that scene and expected to watch the birth video because of her sex. A man would not be filming a scene that involved him giving birth, and he would not be expected to watch a video of Heath's wife giving birth in relation to that scene. It's sexual harassment because the behavior is based on the sex or gender of the participants, not because anyone is trying to do anything sexual.

To give an example that might be more relatable to people who aren't actors on movie sets, it would be akin to your boss telling you that you should really be using a menstrual cup instead of tampons. That's obviously not a come on, but it's a sex-based comment that is inappropriate and, if part of a pattern of similar behavior, could be considered severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

Sexual harassment is not just about sexual advances.

Sorry, but “the Black man showed me porn!” When we find out with more context it was a video of his wife giving birth that he asked her over lunch if she wanted to see and she said she’d check it out later is exactly what I’m talking about. It fits the stereotype perfectly.

She way over exaggerated and acted as if he was forcing so-meting on to her when she didn’t want - that’s not what happened at all but yes, it fits the stereotype perfectly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Heath allegations are continuing to be problematic. Im seeing commentary that Blake just did the typical rich southern white lady who thinks everything the Black man does is sexual.

That is very unfair, because she also makes complaints about being uncomfortable with Baldoni and the OBGYN guy, who has a Jewish name. She pretty clearly articulates the issues with Heath are that he said he wouldn't turn around and face her while she was undressed but then he did, and that he should her an unwanted video of his wife. Those might be a stretch, but no more so than what she says about Baldoni, and there is no reason to make it a race thing. I'm 100% sure that if Baldoni or Sarowitz or the OBGYN actor had turned around and looked at her while she was breastfeeding or having makeup removed, she also would have complained.

It may be unfair, but you can’t deny the public perception is not good for Blake. She already has the nickname plantation princess because of her wedding venue choice. There’s been at least two other video interviews that have surfaced that have problematic comments on race for Blake.

But yes, there is a perception out there that is not helping Blake’s image. It is what it is.

Just noting again that Baldoni attended a plantation wedding several years ago where as he recounts in his book, he behaved very insensitively to the black friend who came with his group, negating her concerns about the venue, telling her he didn’t see color, gaslighting her about her concerns, and then ghosting her when she emailed a longer explanation of what was wrong with the the venue but commiserating with fellow attendees instead.

I believe he apologized to her later, but Reynolds also publicly apologized to EVERYONE later on his and Lively’s behalf, explained the site used was chosen bc it was from The Notebook but that they were deeply sorry and deeply regretted the choice. Lively also made an Instagram post announcing a $200k donation to NAACP legal defense fund after the murder of George Floyd stating “We're ashamed that in the past we've allowed ourselves to be uninformed about how deeply rooted systemic racism is. [We] talk to our kids about everything, all of it … including our own complicity. We talk about our bias, blindness and our own mistakes. We look back and see so many mistakes which have led us to deeply examine who we are and want to become.”

It’s more of a problem for Lively because it was her own wedding. At the same time, Baldoni not Lively was also sued for racial discrimination and then retaliation by a black man he lured to his podcast with promises of a long term job, then fired when he actually stood up for the discriminatory way a black guest on the podcast was being treated. This is another example of how Baldoni talked a big game about feminism and racial understanding in Man Enough *in theory* only to run a very different and chaotic set that did not follow through on those ideals *in practice.*. Still, Team Baldoni keeps on with this, maybe not recognizing that it can rear up to hurt Baldini if anyone bothers to look more closely.

You said a lot of words, but the fact is going to a plantation wedding and hosting a plantation wedding is very different.

Add that to the fact that she had a lifestyle brand about the antebellum south… And the whole LA face Oakland, booty controversy that she had to apologize for. At the end of the day, he’s not the one accusing a black man of being overly sexual toward him, is he?

DP, but I wanted to note that she doesn't actually accuse Heath of being "overly sexual" toward her. She's not accusing him of hitting on her or trying to sleep with her. Her allegations (toward both Heath and Baldoni) are more about being inappropriate about sex and nudity in general way to the point where it made her uncomfortable. She also has some allegations towards Baldoni about him maybe crossing boundaries in their kissing scenes, but obviously these aren't against Heath.

And before you say "well see! it's not even sexual harassment if he wasn't being overly sexual to her or hitting on her," no. Hostile work environment claims don't just refer to sexual advances (which are actually more likely to fall into the quid pro quo category of sexual harassment anyway). It's any "unwelcome conduct" that is either sexual in nature OR gender-based, and severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

So, for instance, I often see people arguing that the events related to the birth scene and the birth video can't be sexual harassment because it's not about sex. But this is incorrect. Childbirth is an inherently sex-based or gender-based activity, and Lively was singled out to be nude in that scene and expected to watch the birth video because of her sex. A man would not be filming a scene that involved him giving birth, and he would not be expected to watch a video of Heath's wife giving birth in relation to that scene. It's sexual harassment because the behavior is based on the sex or gender of the participants, not because anyone is trying to do anything sexual.

To give an example that might be more relatable to people who aren't actors on movie sets, it would be akin to your boss telling you that you should really be using a menstrual cup instead of tampons. That's obviously not a come on, but it's a sex-based comment that is inappropriate and, if part of a pattern of similar behavior, could be considered severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

Sexual harassment is not just about sexual advances.

Sorry, but “the Black man showed me porn!” When we find out with more context it was a video of his wife giving birth that he asked her over lunch if she wanted to see and she said she’d check it out later is exactly what I’m talking about. It fits the stereotype perfectly.

She way over exaggerated and acted as if he was forcing so-meting on to her when she didn’t want - that’s not what happened at all but yes, it fits the stereotype perfectly.

She at no point refers to the birth video as porn. She says that when Heath approached her and started to show her a video, with no explanation or to ask if it was okay, she saw a naked woman with limbs splayed and had a knee-jerk reaction that it was pornography. Which is not a weird leap.

It is extremely weird that Heath attempted to show her that video without explaining what it was or asking if she felt comfortable viewing it. And yes, actually he was forcing something on her that she didn't want -- she didn't want to watch his wife's birthing video but he tried to show it to her without even pausing to ask her if she wanted to see it. The fact that it was just a super personal video of his wife nude but not pornography in no way negates the need for consent.

The fact that he's black is irrelevant and Lively's complaint makes no issue of his race, and she is also making allegations against a white man -- in fact most of her allegations are against Baldoni.

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Anonymous wrote:The Heath allegations are continuing to be problematic. Im seeing commentary that Blake just did the typical rich southern white lady who thinks everything the Black man does is sexual.

That is very unfair, because she also makes complaints about being uncomfortable with Baldoni and the OBGYN guy, who has a Jewish name. She pretty clearly articulates the issues with Heath are that he said he wouldn't turn around and face her while she was undressed but then he did, and that he should her an unwanted video of his wife. Those might be a stretch, but no more so than what she says about Baldoni, and there is no reason to make it a race thing. I'm 100% sure that if Baldoni or Sarowitz or the OBGYN actor had turned around and looked at her while she was breastfeeding or having makeup removed, she also would have complained.

It may be unfair, but you can’t deny the public perception is not good for Blake. She already has the nickname plantation princess because of her wedding venue choice. There’s been at least two other video interviews that have surfaced that have problematic comments on race for Blake.

But yes, there is a perception out there that is not helping Blake’s image. It is what it is.

Just noting again that Baldoni attended a plantation wedding several years ago where as he recounts in his book, he behaved very insensitively to the black friend who came with his group, negating her concerns about the venue, telling her he didn’t see color, gaslighting her about her concerns, and then ghosting her when she emailed a longer explanation of what was wrong with the the venue but commiserating with fellow attendees instead.

I believe he apologized to her later, but Reynolds also publicly apologized to EVERYONE later on his and Lively’s behalf, explained the site used was chosen bc it was from The Notebook but that they were deeply sorry and deeply regretted the choice. Lively also made an Instagram post announcing a $200k donation to NAACP legal defense fund after the murder of George Floyd stating “We're ashamed that in the past we've allowed ourselves to be uninformed about how deeply rooted systemic racism is. [We] talk to our kids about everything, all of it … including our own complicity. We talk about our bias, blindness and our own mistakes. We look back and see so many mistakes which have led us to deeply examine who we are and want to become.”

It’s more of a problem for Lively because it was her own wedding. At the same time, Baldoni not Lively was also sued for racial discrimination and then retaliation by a black man he lured to his podcast with promises of a long term job, then fired when he actually stood up for the discriminatory way a black guest on the podcast was being treated. This is another example of how Baldoni talked a big game about feminism and racial understanding in Man Enough *in theory* only to run a very different and chaotic set that did not follow through on those ideals *in practice.*. Still, Team Baldoni keeps on with this, maybe not recognizing that it can rear up to hurt Baldini if anyone bothers to look more closely.

You said a lot of words, but the fact is going to a plantation wedding and hosting a plantation wedding is very different.

Add that to the fact that she had a lifestyle brand about the antebellum south… And the whole LA face Oakland, booty controversy that she had to apologize for. At the end of the day, he’s not the one accusing a black man of being overly sexual toward him, is he?

DP, but I wanted to note that she doesn't actually accuse Heath of being "overly sexual" toward her. She's not accusing him of hitting on her or trying to sleep with her. Her allegations (toward both Heath and Baldoni) are more about being inappropriate about sex and nudity in general way to the point where it made her uncomfortable. She also has some allegations towards Baldoni about him maybe crossing boundaries in their kissing scenes, but obviously these aren't against Heath.

And before you say "well see! it's not even sexual harassment if he wasn't being overly sexual to her or hitting on her," no. Hostile work environment claims don't just refer to sexual advances (which are actually more likely to fall into the quid pro quo category of sexual harassment anyway). It's any "unwelcome conduct" that is either sexual in nature OR gender-based, and severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

So, for instance, I often see people arguing that the events related to the birth scene and the birth video can't be sexual harassment because it's not about sex. But this is incorrect. Childbirth is an inherently sex-based or gender-based activity, and Lively was singled out to be nude in that scene and expected to watch the birth video because of her sex. A man would not be filming a scene that involved him giving birth, and he would not be expected to watch a video of Heath's wife giving birth in relation to that scene. It's sexual harassment because the behavior is based on the sex or gender of the participants, not because anyone is trying to do anything sexual.

To give an example that might be more relatable to people who aren't actors on movie sets, it would be akin to your boss telling you that you should really be using a menstrual cup instead of tampons. That's obviously not a come on, but it's a sex-based comment that is inappropriate and, if part of a pattern of similar behavior, could be considered severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

Sexual harassment is not just about sexual advances.

Interestingly, one could confidently make this common-sense statement maybe 3-4 years ago, but today that’s a very unenlightened position—as it assumes that biology defines things such as that a woman is an adult human female, but since that is now scrapped and the terms man/woman are entirely open to personal interpretation, I’m interested to know how this changes interpretation of how an act can be a sex-based discrimination against women. How can you protect a group that you can’t objectively define?

Sexual harassment laws are designed to protect everyone, not just women. One of the most influential sexual harassment rulings in the Supreme Court (Ocale, 1998) involved a man who was sexually harassed and assaulted on an oil rig by his male coworkers. Everyone involved was heterosexual. Sexual harassment doesn't depend on behavior between cis-gendered men and women. It's sexualized and sex-based behavior that obstructs a person's ability to do their job. Sexual harassment laws are a workplace protection for everyone, not specific to protecting women from men (though they can be used to protect women from men who sexually harass them).

I feel like the whole country needs a primer in what sexual harassment is and why it's not okay. This case has revealed to me how ignorant people are on the subject.

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I continue to find the views of the PP directly above to be much more intellectually grounded, nuanced, and frankly, honest than the views that reduce everything much more simplistically to Lively=bad, Baldoni=good. Reducing/reframing Heath’s birth video to that quoted statement is one of many examples of this over the last few pages, where everything Baldoni does is completely defensible and Lively is like some terrible villanous puppet masquerading as a person. I prefer PP above’s view, where both sides have made some mistakes but no one is a hard-to-believe-as-real caricature, fwiw.

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Anonymous wrote:The Heath allegations are continuing to be problematic. Im seeing commentary that Blake just did the typical rich southern white lady who thinks everything the Black man does is sexual.

That is very unfair, because she also makes complaints about being uncomfortable with Baldoni and the OBGYN guy, who has a Jewish name. She pretty clearly articulates the issues with Heath are that he said he wouldn't turn around and face her while she was undressed but then he did, and that he should her an unwanted video of his wife. Those might be a stretch, but no more so than what she says about Baldoni, and there is no reason to make it a race thing. I'm 100% sure that if Baldoni or Sarowitz or the OBGYN actor had turned around and looked at her while she was breastfeeding or having makeup removed, she also would have complained.

It may be unfair, but you can’t deny the public perception is not good for Blake. She already has the nickname plantation princess because of her wedding venue choice. There’s been at least two other video interviews that have surfaced that have problematic comments on race for Blake.

But yes, there is a perception out there that is not helping Blake’s image. It is what it is.

Just noting again that Baldoni attended a plantation wedding several years ago where as he recounts in his book, he behaved very insensitively to the black friend who came with his group, negating her concerns about the venue, telling her he didn’t see color, gaslighting her about her concerns, and then ghosting her when she emailed a longer explanation of what was wrong with the the venue but commiserating with fellow attendees instead.

I believe he apologized to her later, but Reynolds also publicly apologized to EVERYONE later on his and Lively’s behalf, explained the site used was chosen bc it was from The Notebook but that they were deeply sorry and deeply regretted the choice. Lively also made an Instagram post announcing a $200k donation to NAACP legal defense fund after the murder of George Floyd stating “We're ashamed that in the past we've allowed ourselves to be uninformed about how deeply rooted systemic racism is. [We] talk to our kids about everything, all of it … including our own complicity. We talk about our bias, blindness and our own mistakes. We look back and see so many mistakes which have led us to deeply examine who we are and want to become.”

It’s more of a problem for Lively because it was her own wedding. At the same time, Baldoni not Lively was also sued for racial discrimination and then retaliation by a black man he lured to his podcast with promises of a long term job, then fired when he actually stood up for the discriminatory way a black guest on the podcast was being treated. This is another example of how Baldoni talked a big game about feminism and racial understanding in Man Enough *in theory* only to run a very different and chaotic set that did not follow through on those ideals *in practice.*. Still, Team Baldoni keeps on with this, maybe not recognizing that it can rear up to hurt Baldini if anyone bothers to look more closely.

You said a lot of words, but the fact is going to a plantation wedding and hosting a plantation wedding is very different.

Add that to the fact that she had a lifestyle brand about the antebellum south… And the whole LA face Oakland, booty controversy that she had to apologize for. At the end of the day, he’s not the one accusing a black man of being overly sexual toward him, is he?

DP, but I wanted to note that she doesn't actually accuse Heath of being "overly sexual" toward her. She's not accusing him of hitting on her or trying to sleep with her. Her allegations (toward both Heath and Baldoni) are more about being inappropriate about sex and nudity in general way to the point where it made her uncomfortable. She also has some allegations towards Baldoni about him maybe crossing boundaries in their kissing scenes, but obviously these aren't against Heath.

And before you say "well see! it's not even sexual harassment if he wasn't being overly sexual to her or hitting on her," no. Hostile work environment claims don't just refer to sexual advances (which are actually more likely to fall into the quid pro quo category of sexual harassment anyway). It's any "unwelcome conduct" that is either sexual in nature OR gender-based, and severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

So, for instance, I often see people arguing that the events related to the birth scene and the birth video can't be sexual harassment because it's not about sex. But this is incorrect. Childbirth is an inherently sex-based or gender-based activity, and Lively was singled out to be nude in that scene and expected to watch the birth video because of her sex. A man would not be filming a scene that involved him giving birth, and he would not be expected to watch a video of Heath's wife giving birth in relation to that scene. It's sexual harassment because the behavior is based on the sex or gender of the participants, not because anyone is trying to do anything sexual.

To give an example that might be more relatable to people who aren't actors on movie sets, it would be akin to your boss telling you that you should really be using a menstrual cup instead of tampons. That's obviously not a come on, but it's a sex-based comment that is inappropriate and, if part of a pattern of similar behavior, could be considered severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

Sexual harassment is not just about sexual advances.

Sorry, but “the Black man showed me porn!” When we find out with more context it was a video of his wife giving birth that he asked her over lunch if she wanted to see and she said she’d check it out later is exactly what I’m talking about. It fits the stereotype perfectly.

She way over exaggerated and acted as if he was forcing so-meting on to her when she didn’t want - that’s not what happened at all but yes, it fits the stereotype perfectly.

She at no point refers to the birth video as porn. She says that when Heath approached her and started to show her a video, with no explanation or to ask if it was okay, she saw a naked woman with limbs splayed and had a knee-jerk reaction that it was pornography. Which is not a weird leap.

It is extremely weird that Heath attempted to show her that video without explaining what it was or asking if she felt comfortable viewing it. And yes, actually he was forcing something on her that she didn't want -- she didn't want to watch his wife's birthing video but he tried to show it to her without even pausing to ask her if she wanted to see it. The fact that it was just a super personal video of his wife nude but not pornography in no way negates the need for consent.

The fact that he's black is irrelevant and Lively's complaint makes no issue of his race, and she is also making allegations against a white man -- in fact most of her allegations are against Baldoni.

That was what she described in the New York Times article as porn. It was only later clarified that that’s what she was talking about when Baldoni put out his defense. That’s one of the problems with this case, she was missing so much context that it is downright lies.

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Anonymous wrote:The Heath allegations are continuing to be problematic. Im seeing commentary that Blake just did the typical rich southern white lady who thinks everything the Black man does is sexual.

That is very unfair, because she also makes complaints about being uncomfortable with Baldoni and the OBGYN guy, who has a Jewish name. She pretty clearly articulates the issues with Heath are that he said he wouldn't turn around and face her while she was undressed but then he did, and that he should her an unwanted video of his wife. Those might be a stretch, but no more so than what she says about Baldoni, and there is no reason to make it a race thing. I'm 100% sure that if Baldoni or Sarowitz or the OBGYN actor had turned around and looked at her while she was breastfeeding or having makeup removed, she also would have complained.

It may be unfair, but you can’t deny the public perception is not good for Blake. She already has the nickname plantation princess because of her wedding venue choice. There’s been at least two other video interviews that have surfaced that have problematic comments on race for Blake.

But yes, there is a perception out there that is not helping Blake’s image. It is what it is.

Just noting again that Baldoni attended a plantation wedding several years ago where as he recounts in his book, he behaved very insensitively to the black friend who came with his group, negating her concerns about the venue, telling her he didn’t see color, gaslighting her about her concerns, and then ghosting her when she emailed a longer explanation of what was wrong with the the venue but commiserating with fellow attendees instead.

I believe he apologized to her later, but Reynolds also publicly apologized to EVERYONE later on his and Lively’s behalf, explained the site used was chosen bc it was from The Notebook but that they were deeply sorry and deeply regretted the choice. Lively also made an Instagram post announcing a $200k donation to NAACP legal defense fund after the murder of George Floyd stating “We're ashamed that in the past we've allowed ourselves to be uninformed about how deeply rooted systemic racism is. [We] talk to our kids about everything, all of it … including our own complicity. We talk about our bias, blindness and our own mistakes. We look back and see so many mistakes which have led us to deeply examine who we are and want to become.”

It’s more of a problem for Lively because it was her own wedding. At the same time, Baldoni not Lively was also sued for racial discrimination and then retaliation by a black man he lured to his podcast with promises of a long term job, then fired when he actually stood up for the discriminatory way a black guest on the podcast was being treated. This is another example of how Baldoni talked a big game about feminism and racial understanding in Man Enough *in theory* only to run a very different and chaotic set that did not follow through on those ideals *in practice.*. Still, Team Baldoni keeps on with this, maybe not recognizing that it can rear up to hurt Baldini if anyone bothers to look more closely.

You said a lot of words, but the fact is going to a plantation wedding and hosting a plantation wedding is very different.

Add that to the fact that she had a lifestyle brand about the antebellum south… And the whole LA face Oakland, booty controversy that she had to apologize for. At the end of the day, he’s not the one accusing a black man of being overly sexual toward him, is he?

DP, but I wanted to note that she doesn't actually accuse Heath of being "overly sexual" toward her. She's not accusing him of hitting on her or trying to sleep with her. Her allegations (toward both Heath and Baldoni) are more about being inappropriate about sex and nudity in general way to the point where it made her uncomfortable. She also has some allegations towards Baldoni about him maybe crossing boundaries in their kissing scenes, but obviously these aren't against Heath.

And before you say "well see! it's not even sexual harassment if he wasn't being overly sexual to her or hitting on her," no. Hostile work environment claims don't just refer to sexual advances (which are actually more likely to fall into the quid pro quo category of sexual harassment anyway). It's any "unwelcome conduct" that is either sexual in nature OR gender-based, and severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

So, for instance, I often see people arguing that the events related to the birth scene and the birth video can't be sexual harassment because it's not about sex. But this is incorrect. Childbirth is an inherently sex-based or gender-based activity, and Lively was singled out to be nude in that scene and expected to watch the birth video because of her sex. A man would not be filming a scene that involved him giving birth, and he would not be expected to watch a video of Heath's wife giving birth in relation to that scene. It's sexual harassment because the behavior is based on the sex or gender of the participants, not because anyone is trying to do anything sexual.

To give an example that might be more relatable to people who aren't actors on movie sets, it would be akin to your boss telling you that you should really be using a menstrual cup instead of tampons. That's obviously not a come on, but it's a sex-based comment that is inappropriate and, if part of a pattern of similar behavior, could be considered severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

Sexual harassment is not just about sexual advances.

Sorry, but “the Black man showed me porn!” When we find out with more context it was a video of his wife giving birth that he asked her over lunch if she wanted to see and she said she’d check it out later is exactly what I’m talking about. It fits the stereotype perfectly.

She way over exaggerated and acted as if he was forcing so-meting on to her when she didn’t want - that’s not what happened at all but yes, it fits the stereotype perfectly.

She at no point refers to the birth video as porn. She says that when Heath approached her and started to show her a video, with no explanation or to ask if it was okay, she saw a naked woman with limbs splayed and had a knee-jerk reaction that it was pornography. Which is not a weird leap.

It is extremely weird that Heath attempted to show her that video without explaining what it was or asking if she felt comfortable viewing it. And yes, actually he was forcing something on her that she didn't want -- she didn't want to watch his wife's birthing video but he tried to show it to her without even pausing to ask her if she wanted to see it. The fact that it was just a super personal video of his wife nude but not pornography in no way negates the need for consent.

The fact that he's black is irrelevant and Lively's complaint makes no issue of his race, and she is also making allegations against a white man -- in fact most of her allegations are against Baldoni.

Did she say the bolded? I also assumed that was what ir was because I could sort of picture a birthing video of a nude woman with legs splayed, panting, being mistaken for porn at first glance. But I think Lively only said nude woman. Baldoni actually included a photo in his timeline or complaint and it shows a woman in a pool, nude, holding her baby in a way that covers her privates. He claims that was the initial image of the video Heath wanted her to see. It tasteful, the type of nudity you might see in an ad. They will need to verify that with their depositions of course. So while Lively may technically be making a true statement, and she has every right not to want to watch it, I find the statement that she thought it was porn to be a big stretch.

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Anonymous wrote:The Heath allegations are continuing to be problematic. Im seeing commentary that Blake just did the typical rich southern white lady who thinks everything the Black man does is sexual.

That is very unfair, because she also makes complaints about being uncomfortable with Baldoni and the OBGYN guy, who has a Jewish name. She pretty clearly articulates the issues with Heath are that he said he wouldn't turn around and face her while she was undressed but then he did, and that he should her an unwanted video of his wife. Those might be a stretch, but no more so than what she says about Baldoni, and there is no reason to make it a race thing. I'm 100% sure that if Baldoni or Sarowitz or the OBGYN actor had turned around and looked at her while she was breastfeeding or having makeup removed, she also would have complained.

It may be unfair, but you can’t deny the public perception is not good for Blake. She already has the nickname plantation princess because of her wedding venue choice. There’s been at least two other video interviews that have surfaced that have problematic comments on race for Blake.

But yes, there is a perception out there that is not helping Blake’s image. It is what it is.

Just noting again that Baldoni attended a plantation wedding several years ago where as he recounts in his book, he behaved very insensitively to the black friend who came with his group, negating her concerns about the venue, telling her he didn’t see color, gaslighting her about her concerns, and then ghosting her when she emailed a longer explanation of what was wrong with the the venue but commiserating with fellow attendees instead.

I believe he apologized to her later, but Reynolds also publicly apologized to EVERYONE later on his and Lively’s behalf, explained the site used was chosen bc it was from The Notebook but that they were deeply sorry and deeply regretted the choice. Lively also made an Instagram post announcing a $200k donation to NAACP legal defense fund after the murder of George Floyd stating “We're ashamed that in the past we've allowed ourselves to be uninformed about how deeply rooted systemic racism is. [We] talk to our kids about everything, all of it … including our own complicity. We talk about our bias, blindness and our own mistakes. We look back and see so many mistakes which have led us to deeply examine who we are and want to become.”

It’s more of a problem for Lively because it was her own wedding. At the same time, Baldoni not Lively was also sued for racial discrimination and then retaliation by a black man he lured to his podcast with promises of a long term job, then fired when he actually stood up for the discriminatory way a black guest on the podcast was being treated. This is another example of how Baldoni talked a big game about feminism and racial understanding in Man Enough *in theory* only to run a very different and chaotic set that did not follow through on those ideals *in practice.*. Still, Team Baldoni keeps on with this, maybe not recognizing that it can rear up to hurt Baldini if anyone bothers to look more closely.

You said a lot of words, but the fact is going to a plantation wedding and hosting a plantation wedding is very different.

Add that to the fact that she had a lifestyle brand about the antebellum south… And the whole LA face Oakland, booty controversy that she had to apologize for. At the end of the day, he’s not the one accusing a black man of being overly sexual toward him, is he?

DP, but I wanted to note that she doesn't actually accuse Heath of being "overly sexual" toward her. She's not accusing him of hitting on her or trying to sleep with her. Her allegations (toward both Heath and Baldoni) are more about being inappropriate about sex and nudity in general way to the point where it made her uncomfortable. She also has some allegations towards Baldoni about him maybe crossing boundaries in their kissing scenes, but obviously these aren't against Heath.

And before you say "well see! it's not even sexual harassment if he wasn't being overly sexual to her or hitting on her," no. Hostile work environment claims don't just refer to sexual advances (which are actually more likely to fall into the quid pro quo category of sexual harassment anyway). It's any "unwelcome conduct" that is either sexual in nature OR gender-based, and severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

So, for instance, I often see people arguing that the events related to the birth scene and the birth video can't be sexual harassment because it's not about sex. But this is incorrect. Childbirth is an inherently sex-based or gender-based activity, and Lively was singled out to be nude in that scene and expected to watch the birth video because of her sex. A man would not be filming a scene that involved him giving birth, and he would not be expected to watch a video of Heath's wife giving birth in relation to that scene. It's sexual harassment because the behavior is based on the sex or gender of the participants, not because anyone is trying to do anything sexual.

To give an example that might be more relatable to people who aren't actors on movie sets, it would be akin to your boss telling you that you should really be using a menstrual cup instead of tampons. That's obviously not a come on, but it's a sex-based comment that is inappropriate and, if part of a pattern of similar behavior, could be considered severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

Sexual harassment is not just about sexual advances.

Sorry, but “the Black man showed me porn!” When we find out with more context it was a video of his wife giving birth that he asked her over lunch if she wanted to see and she said she’d check it out later is exactly what I’m talking about. It fits the stereotype perfectly.

She way over exaggerated and acted as if he was forcing so-meting on to her when she didn’t want - that’s not what happened at all but yes, it fits the stereotype perfectly.

She at no point refers to the birth video as porn. She says that when Heath approached her and started to show her a video, with no explanation or to ask if it was okay, she saw a naked woman with limbs splayed and had a knee-jerk reaction that it was pornography. Which is not a weird leap.

It is extremely weird that Heath attempted to show her that video without explaining what it was or asking if she felt comfortable viewing it. And yes, actually he was forcing something on her that she didn't want -- she didn't want to watch his wife's birthing video but he tried to show it to her without even pausing to ask her if she wanted to see it. The fact that it was just a super personal video of his wife nude but not pornography in no way negates the need for consent.

The fact that he's black is irrelevant and Lively's complaint makes no issue of his race, and she is also making allegations against a white man -- in fact most of her allegations are against Baldoni.

But it’s not irrelevant. It’s easy to say its irrelevant if you want to ignore the centuries of wealthy white women accusing Black men of horrible crimes that they didn’t do, leading to false imprisonment and death.

Seriously, this has been a major problem in our history and one that we’ve not really reckoned with. I agree that we simply don’t know if that factored in to her discomfort - but for her to immediately think it must be porn is really disturbing. To dismiss this because it’s messy and it makes the case even messier is not right. Yes, he’s a wealthy CEO, but given her history, many people think race could play a role here.

Again, this case is all about public perception, and it’s not a good look for Blake. It’s just one more thing in her long history of problematic behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:The Heath allegations are continuing to be problematic. Im seeing commentary that Blake just did the typical rich southern white lady who thinks everything the Black man does is sexual.

That is very unfair, because she also makes complaints about being uncomfortable with Baldoni and the OBGYN guy, who has a Jewish name. She pretty clearly articulates the issues with Heath are that he said he wouldn't turn around and face her while she was undressed but then he did, and that he should her an unwanted video of his wife. Those might be a stretch, but no more so than what she says about Baldoni, and there is no reason to make it a race thing. I'm 100% sure that if Baldoni or Sarowitz or the OBGYN actor had turned around and looked at her while she was breastfeeding or having makeup removed, she also would have complained.

It may be unfair, but you can’t deny the public perception is not good for Blake. She already has the nickname plantation princess because of her wedding venue choice. There’s been at least two other video interviews that have surfaced that have problematic comments on race for Blake.

But yes, there is a perception out there that is not helping Blake’s image. It is what it is.

Just noting again that Baldoni attended a plantation wedding several years ago where as he recounts in his book, he behaved very insensitively to the black friend who came with his group, negating her concerns about the venue, telling her he didn’t see color, gaslighting her about her concerns, and then ghosting her when she emailed a longer explanation of what was wrong with the the venue but commiserating with fellow attendees instead.

I believe he apologized to her later, but Reynolds also publicly apologized to EVERYONE later on his and Lively’s behalf, explained the site used was chosen bc it was from The Notebook but that they were deeply sorry and deeply regretted the choice. Lively also made an Instagram post announcing a $200k donation to NAACP legal defense fund after the murder of George Floyd stating “We're ashamed that in the past we've allowed ourselves to be uninformed about how deeply rooted systemic racism is. [We] talk to our kids about everything, all of it … including our own complicity. We talk about our bias, blindness and our own mistakes. We look back and see so many mistakes which have led us to deeply examine who we are and want to become.”

It’s more of a problem for Lively because it was her own wedding. At the same time, Baldoni not Lively was also sued for racial discrimination and then retaliation by a black man he lured to his podcast with promises of a long term job, then fired when he actually stood up for the discriminatory way a black guest on the podcast was being treated. This is another example of how Baldoni talked a big game about feminism and racial understanding in Man Enough *in theory* only to run a very different and chaotic set that did not follow through on those ideals *in practice.*. Still, Team Baldoni keeps on with this, maybe not recognizing that it can rear up to hurt Baldini if anyone bothers to look more closely.

You said a lot of words, but the fact is going to a plantation wedding and hosting a plantation wedding is very different.

Add that to the fact that she had a lifestyle brand about the antebellum south… And the whole LA face Oakland, booty controversy that she had to apologize for. At the end of the day, he’s not the one accusing a black man of being overly sexual toward him, is he?

DP, but I wanted to note that she doesn't actually accuse Heath of being "overly sexual" toward her. She's not accusing him of hitting on her or trying to sleep with her. Her allegations (toward both Heath and Baldoni) are more about being inappropriate about sex and nudity in general way to the point where it made her uncomfortable. She also has some allegations towards Baldoni about him maybe crossing boundaries in their kissing scenes, but obviously these aren't against Heath.

And before you say "well see! it's not even sexual harassment if he wasn't being overly sexual to her or hitting on her," no. Hostile work environment claims don't just refer to sexual advances (which are actually more likely to fall into the quid pro quo category of sexual harassment anyway). It's any "unwelcome conduct" that is either sexual in nature OR gender-based, and severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

So, for instance, I often see people arguing that the events related to the birth scene and the birth video can't be sexual harassment because it's not about sex. But this is incorrect. Childbirth is an inherently sex-based or gender-based activity, and Lively was singled out to be nude in that scene and expected to watch the birth video because of her sex. A man would not be filming a scene that involved him giving birth, and he would not be expected to watch a video of Heath's wife giving birth in relation to that scene. It's sexual harassment because the behavior is based on the sex or gender of the participants, not because anyone is trying to do anything sexual.

To give an example that might be more relatable to people who aren't actors on movie sets, it would be akin to your boss telling you that you should really be using a menstrual cup instead of tampons. That's obviously not a come on, but it's a sex-based comment that is inappropriate and, if part of a pattern of similar behavior, could be considered severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

Sexual harassment is not just about sexual advances.

Sorry, but “the Black man showed me porn!” When we find out with more context it was a video of his wife giving birth that he asked her over lunch if she wanted to see and she said she’d check it out later is exactly what I’m talking about. It fits the stereotype perfectly.

She way over exaggerated and acted as if he was forcing so-meting on to her when she didn’t want - that’s not what happened at all but yes, it fits the stereotype perfectly.

She at no point refers to the birth video as porn. She says that when Heath approached her and started to show her a video, with no explanation or to ask if it was okay, she saw a naked woman with limbs splayed and had a knee-jerk reaction that it was pornography. Which is not a weird leap.

It is extremely weird that Heath attempted to show her that video without explaining what it was or asking if she felt comfortable viewing it. And yes, actually he was forcing something on her that she didn't want -- she didn't want to watch his wife's birthing video but he tried to show it to her without even pausing to ask her if she wanted to see it. The fact that it was just a super personal video of his wife nude but not pornography in no way negates the need for consent.

The fact that he's black is irrelevant and Lively's complaint makes no issue of his race, and she is also making allegations against a white man -- in fact most of her allegations are against Baldoni.

Did she say the bolded? I also assumed that was what ir was because I could sort of picture a birthing video of a nude woman with legs splayed, panting, being mistaken for porn at first glance. But I think Lively only said nude woman. Baldoni actually included a photo in his timeline or complaint and it shows a woman in a pool, nude, holding her baby in a way that covers her privates. He claims that was the initial image of the video Heath wanted her to see. It tasteful, the type of nudity you might see in an ad. They will need to verify that with their depositions of course. So while Lively may technically be making a true statement, and she has every right not to want to watch it, I find the statement that she thought it was porn to be a big stretch.

DP. What birth video STARTS OFF with an image of the baby after it is born? This seems highly unlikely to me.

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Anonymous wrote:I continue to find the views of the PP directly above to be much more intellectually grounded, nuanced, and frankly, honest than the views that reduce everything much more simplistically to Lively=bad, Baldoni=good. Reducing/reframing Heath’s birth video to that quoted statement is one of many examples of this over the last few pages, where everything Baldoni does is completely defensible and Lively is like some terrible villanous puppet masquerading as a person. I prefer PP above’s view, where both sides have made some mistakes but no one is a hard-to-believe-as-real caricature, fwiw.

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Anonymous wrote:The Heath allegations are continuing to be problematic. Im seeing commentary that Blake just did the typical rich southern white lady who thinks everything the Black man does is sexual.

That is very unfair, because she also makes complaints about being uncomfortable with Baldoni and the OBGYN guy, who has a Jewish name. She pretty clearly articulates the issues with Heath are that he said he wouldn't turn around and face her while she was undressed but then he did, and that he should her an unwanted video of his wife. Those might be a stretch, but no more so than what she says about Baldoni, and there is no reason to make it a race thing. I'm 100% sure that if Baldoni or Sarowitz or the OBGYN actor had turned around and looked at her while she was breastfeeding or having makeup removed, she also would have complained.

It may be unfair, but you can’t deny the public perception is not good for Blake. She already has the nickname plantation princess because of her wedding venue choice. There’s been at least two other video interviews that have surfaced that have problematic comments on race for Blake.

But yes, there is a perception out there that is not helping Blake’s image. It is what it is.

Just noting again that Baldoni attended a plantation wedding several years ago where as he recounts in his book, he behaved very insensitively to the black friend who came with his group, negating her concerns about the venue, telling her he didn’t see color, gaslighting her about her concerns, and then ghosting her when she emailed a longer explanation of what was wrong with the the venue but commiserating with fellow attendees instead.

I believe he apologized to her later, but Reynolds also publicly apologized to EVERYONE later on his and Lively’s behalf, explained the site used was chosen bc it was from The Notebook but that they were deeply sorry and deeply regretted the choice. Lively also made an Instagram post announcing a $200k donation to NAACP legal defense fund after the murder of George Floyd stating “We're ashamed that in the past we've allowed ourselves to be uninformed about how deeply rooted systemic racism is. [We] talk to our kids about everything, all of it … including our own complicity. We talk about our bias, blindness and our own mistakes. We look back and see so many mistakes which have led us to deeply examine who we are and want to become.”

It’s more of a problem for Lively because it was her own wedding. At the same time, Baldoni not Lively was also sued for racial discrimination and then retaliation by a black man he lured to his podcast with promises of a long term job, then fired when he actually stood up for the discriminatory way a black guest on the podcast was being treated. This is another example of how Baldoni talked a big game about feminism and racial understanding in Man Enough *in theory* only to run a very different and chaotic set that did not follow through on those ideals *in practice.*. Still, Team Baldoni keeps on with this, maybe not recognizing that it can rear up to hurt Baldini if anyone bothers to look more closely.

You said a lot of words, but the fact is going to a plantation wedding and hosting a plantation wedding is very different.

Add that to the fact that she had a lifestyle brand about the antebellum south… And the whole LA face Oakland, booty controversy that she had to apologize for. At the end of the day, he’s not the one accusing a black man of being overly sexual toward him, is he?

DP, but I wanted to note that she doesn't actually accuse Heath of being "overly sexual" toward her. She's not accusing him of hitting on her or trying to sleep with her. Her allegations (toward both Heath and Baldoni) are more about being inappropriate about sex and nudity in general way to the point where it made her uncomfortable. She also has some allegations towards Baldoni about him maybe crossing boundaries in their kissing scenes, but obviously these aren't against Heath.

And before you say "well see! it's not even sexual harassment if he wasn't being overly sexual to her or hitting on her," no. Hostile work environment claims don't just refer to sexual advances (which are actually more likely to fall into the quid pro quo category of sexual harassment anyway). It's any "unwelcome conduct" that is either sexual in nature OR gender-based, and severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

So, for instance, I often see people arguing that the events related to the birth scene and the birth video can't be sexual harassment because it's not about sex. But this is incorrect. Childbirth is an inherently sex-based or gender-based activity, and Lively was singled out to be nude in that scene and expected to watch the birth video because of her sex. A man would not be filming a scene that involved him giving birth, and he would not be expected to watch a video of Heath's wife giving birth in relation to that scene. It's sexual harassment because the behavior is based on the sex or gender of the participants, not because anyone is trying to do anything sexual.

To give an example that might be more relatable to people who aren't actors on movie sets, it would be akin to your boss telling you that you should really be using a menstrual cup instead of tampons. That's obviously not a come on, but it's a sex-based comment that is inappropriate and, if part of a pattern of similar behavior, could be considered severe and pervasive enough to create an abusive environment.

Sexual harassment is not just about sexual advances.

Sorry, but “the Black man showed me porn!” When we find out with more context it was a video of his wife giving birth that he asked her over lunch if she wanted to see and she said she’d check it out later is exactly what I’m talking about. It fits the stereotype perfectly.

She way over exaggerated and acted as if he was forcing so-meting on to her when she didn’t want - that’s not what happened at all but yes, it fits the stereotype perfectly.

She at no point refers to the birth video as porn. She says that when Heath approached her and started to show her a video, with no explanation or to ask if it was okay, she saw a naked woman with limbs splayed and had a knee-jerk reaction that it was pornography. Which is not a weird leap.

It is extremely weird that Heath attempted to show her that video without explaining what it was or asking if she felt comfortable viewing it. And yes, actually he was forcing something on her that she didn't want -- she didn't want to watch his wife's birthing video but he tried to show it to her without even pausing to ask her if she wanted to see it. The fact that it was just a super personal video of his wife nude but not pornography in no way negates the need for consent.

The fact that he's black is irrelevant and Lively's complaint makes no issue of his race, and she is also making allegations against a white man -- in fact most of her allegations are against Baldoni.

Did she say the bolded? I also assumed that was what ir was because I could sort of picture a birthing video of a nude woman with legs splayed, panting, being mistaken for porn at first glance. But I think Lively only said nude woman. Baldoni actually included a photo in his timeline or complaint and it shows a woman in a pool, nude, holding her baby in a way that covers her privates. He claims that was the initial image of the video Heath wanted her to see. It tasteful, the type of nudity you might see in an ad. They will need to verify that with their depositions of course. So while Lively may technically be making a true statement, and she has every right not to want to watch it, I find the statement that she thought it was porn to be a big stretch.

DP. What birth video STARTS OFF with an image of the baby after it is born? This seems highly unlikely to me.

It's what Wayfarer says so they will have the show Blake that video and ask her under oath if it's the one.

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Anonymous wrote:I continue to find the views of the PP directly above to be much more intellectually grounded, nuanced, and frankly, honest than the views that reduce everything much more simplistically to Lively=bad, Baldoni=good. Reducing/reframing Heath’s birth video to that quoted statement is one of many examples of this over the last few pages, where everything Baldoni does is completely defensible and Lively is like some terrible villanous puppet masquerading as a person. I prefer PP above’s view, where both sides have made some mistakes but no one is a hard-to-believe-as-real caricature, fwiw.

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