Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

PS: I'm not a 1975 fan, by the way. I just don't see the point of sh-tting on someone TS dated. Yes, he probably became better known because of her. And, yes, he looked frightened and shy when he walked with her "behind" her stage in his skeleton costume.

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Who cares about Matty Healy in any way in a thread about Taylor and Travis. Why is his name all over this thread when there’s another thread dedicated to that relationship?? Go over there.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

From Wiki. This is way more impressive than “a moderately successful indie band”:

“Rolling Stone stated that the band has been at "the forefront of modern pop rock" since their debut, with Billboard declaring them "the most ambitious pop-rock band of their generation.”

All of the band's albums hit No. 1 in the United Kingdom and charted in the Billboard 200, garnering critical praise and appearing in numerous publications' year-end and decade-end lists. Their second album, I Like It When You Sleep, for You Are So Beautiful yet So Unaware of It (2016), also reached No. 1 in the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The band's third album, A Brief Inquiry into Online Relationships(2018), received widespread acclaim and won British Album of the Year at the 2019 Brit Awardswith its single “Give Yourself A Try” earning a nomination for Best Rock Song at the 62nd Annual Grammy Awards. It was followed by Notes on a Conditional Form (2020) and Being Funny in a Foreign Language (2022), with the latter receiving a nomination for British Album of the Year at the 2023 Brit Awards.

None of what you’re negates the fact that they are not that popular or well-known. You realize you led with a writer no one has heard from Rolling Stone, a magazine that no one under 50 reads or has probably has even heard of, think they are a good band lol. That does not mean they are going to have a big legacy. They objectively have not sold that many albums or had that many hits or won that many Grammys compared to about 100 other bands I could list. Not to mention if you compare them to Taylor Swift, which is who the thread is about, they are literally meaningless.

They are a moderately successful indie band and their association with Taylor Swift is probably responsible for 50% of their moderate success.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

The money= success idea that TS fans love. Go make a bracelet for greed and over consumption as that is the root of what you are worshipping.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

The money= success idea that TS fans love. Go make a bracelet for greed and over consumption as that is the root of what you are worshipping.

I get your point and I agree. I’m just not sure how else to measure about success objectively. It’s not all about money of course, it’s about talent and 1 million other things, but if you’re trying to objectively make comparisons of them compared to their peers, you really have to see how many people are going to their concerts, how many people are buying them music?

They are clearly successful… But I wasn’t the one who started comparing them to Taylor Swift, or trying to say that she couldn’t hold her own to a rockstar who has fans hyperventilating and fainting.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

The money= success idea that TS fans love. Go make a bracelet for greed and over consumption as that is the root of what you are worshipping.

I get your point and I agree. I’m just not sure how else to measure about success objectively. It’s not all about money of course, it’s about talent and 1 million other things, but if you’re trying to objectively make comparisons of them compared to their peers, you really have to see how many people are going to their concerts, how many people are buying them music?

They are clearly successful… But I wasn’t the one who started comparing them to Taylor Swift, or trying to say that she couldn’t hold her own to a rockstar who has fans hyperventilating and fainting.

I just use myself as a barometer if I like a band or not. I am at the whim of music stations and what they pick up. I enjoy the 1975s to a point but some of their lyrics give me a gross feeling. Like the one about men and soy milk- ew.

A lot of monetary success in music comes down to marketing not talent. Taylor is good at that, matty doesn’t seem to care as much about his image.

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DP. I do get the feeling that Taylor is always trying to prove something. I don't like The 1975, but feel like they'd be together making music even with no commercial success.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

Maybe the band should make 1,975 versions of one album like TS. Then Matty could be a billionaire too.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

Maybe the band should make 1,975 versions of one album like TS. Then Matty could be a billionaire too.

Sure. Why not. No one is forced to buy one.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

Maybe the band should make 1,975 versions of one album like TS. Then Matty could be a billionaire too.

It's hard to be a billionaire when your money goes up your nose or in a vein.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

The money= success idea that TS fans love. Go make a bracelet for greed and over consumption as that is the root of what you are worshipping.

I get your point and I agree. I’m just not sure how else to measure about success objectively. It’s not all about money of course, it’s about talent and 1 million other things, but if you’re trying to objectively make comparisons of them compared to their peers, you really have to see how many people are going to their concerts, how many people are buying them music?

They are clearly successful… But I wasn’t the one who started comparing them to Taylor Swift, or trying to say that she couldn’t hold her own to a rockstar who has fans hyperventilating and fainting.

I just use myself as a barometer if I like a band or not. I am at the whim of music stations and what they pick up. I enjoy the 1975s to a point but some of their lyrics give me a gross feeling. Like the one about men and soy milk- ew.

A lot of monetary success in music comes down to marketing not talent. Taylor is good at that, matty doesn’t seem to care as much about his image.

Meh. He’s not good at controlling his image but he close this life - of course he’s interested in money and success. They are all.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

Maybe the band should make 1,975 versions of one album like TS. Then Matty could be a billionaire too.

Matty looks like he eats cigarettes. He’s not on track to be a billionaire LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

The money= success idea that TS fans love. Go make a bracelet for greed and over consumption as that is the root of what you are worshipping.

I get your point and I agree. I’m just not sure how else to measure about success objectively. It’s not all about money of course, it’s about talent and 1 million other things, but if you’re trying to objectively make comparisons of them compared to their peers, you really have to see how many people are going to their concerts, how many people are buying them music?

They are clearly successful… But I wasn’t the one who started comparing them to Taylor Swift, or trying to say that she couldn’t hold her own to a rockstar who has fans hyperventilating and fainting.

I just use myself as a barometer if I like a band or not. I am at the whim of music stations and what they pick up. I enjoy the 1975s to a point but some of their lyrics give me a gross feeling. Like the one about men and soy milk- ew.

A lot of monetary success in music comes down to marketing not talent. Taylor is good at that, matty doesn’t seem to care as much about his image.

Definitely marketing money can get you on the radio and get you promoted… But it absolutely astound me that at this point in Taylor‘s career people are still doubting her talent. I just like Taylor‘s music. And I’m not on her marketing radar or her main demographic.

It’s wild to me that there are some posters who think she is that good at gaslighting people who like her music and that some people seem to be immune. Or that marketing can make her so prolific that she has so many hits and is able to make millions of people highly motivated to spend a lot of money and a lot of energy trying to get to our concerts. Wild!