Kamala Harris for President

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone takes Kamala Harris seriously. Have you all been in a coma for the last few years? She is a disaster. Her presidential campaign was a disaster. Her run as VP was a disaster, as evidenced by the fact that the Biden admin hasn't given her anything significant to do in years.

I suppose there's always an emotional element to politics, and people might get wound up. But, even if she were to win, it would be a terrible 4 years for the country.

Wait, your talking points are garbling. According to GOP talking points she was the “border czar” so how can she not have been given “anything significant to do in years”?

You know what, let’s go with your last sentence. She will win and you will experience four terrible years.

Yes, the Biden admin gave her that job early on. She was a total failure and flailed around. After that, she receded into the background. They learned their lesson there.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

It had been that way every olympic year...you can actually google it, nothing new.

That wasn’t the question. The question was, why should that sort of judgment induce me to vote for their candidate?

The Democrats clearly aren’t going to win you over with intellectual arguments. I think you fit in better with the GOP ticket.

Well, since I want strong antigun laws, codified gay marriage, codified abortion rights, and socialized healthcare, the GOPs won’t have me, either (nor I them).

So you'd rather have moderates like us stay home in November.

Noted.

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Anonymous wrote:I kinda feel sorry for MAGAS. They were so cocky until Sunday, talking about landslides and whatnot. I guess they’re still waiting for the new talking points.

They really seem lost. Is it Laughing Kamala or cat-lady? Are we talking "abortion on demand" or "most americans want some restrictions"? Is she incompetent or a vicious prosecutor who put innocent black men in jail???

That’s all they have and they won’t dare bring up Roe. Notice how they always use the shock value tactic about killing babies in 9th month? Because some uninformed voters will believe it. We spend too much energy and brain cells providing evidence about emergency ending pregnancies, women’s healthcare, and right to bodily autonomy. They never respond to reason and intelligence. They accuse us of intellectual elitism as if it’s an insult. Trump loves the poorly educated. They’re terrified of Harris. Rightfully so. Trust that this insanity will end.

They soothe their egos projecting how Harris is merely a temporary DEI pick and 2028 will be the end of the Democratic party. They’ve been duped and they’re fuming. Trump is foaming at the mouth on Dupe Social.

Biden’s timing was epic! “I need you and Mike at the house,” President Biden said late Saturday afternoon. He summoned Steve Ricchetti, counselor to the president and one of his closest advisers, and Mike Donilon, his chief strategist and longtime speechwriter. They worked through the night. No one knew until his first call with Harris on Sunday morning. He then informed his Chief of Staff and Campaign Chair. He was in full control of how and when it went down. He delayed until after the RNC, but before the DNC🎯

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

+1, and what is the GOP doing about anything you want accomplished? It's always the Democrats' fault, right? They have to play with one hand tied behind their back and another party not operating in good faith. It's amazing that they're able to accomplish anything. Remind me again what the GOP platform is beyond mass deportations, revenge and platitudes?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone takes Kamala Harris seriously. Have you all been in a coma for the last few years? She is a disaster. Her presidential campaign was a disaster. Her run as VP was a disaster, as evidenced by the fact that the Biden admin hasn't given her anything significant to do in years.

I suppose there's always an emotional element to politics, and people might get wound up. But, even if she were to win, it would be a terrible 4 years for the country.

Wait, your talking points are garbling. According to GOP talking points she was the “border czar” so how can she not have been given “anything significant to do in years”?

You know what, let’s go with your last sentence. She will win and you will experience four terrible years.

Yes, the Biden admin gave her that job early on. She was a total failure and flailed around. After that, she receded into the background. They learned their lesson there.

Yep! What a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

I addressed that point. The MAGAs will win eventually and push through Project 2025. Maybe it’s this year. Maybe it’s the midterms. Maybe it’s 2028.

That wasn’t the question. The question was, what is the Dem plan to prevent Project 2025 (or whatever) year from EVER being a reality? What is the Dem plan to ensure that a Harris vote is not simply a stay of execution?

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VP Harris has not acted like a person who was serious about becoming president, otherwise she would have taken the border more seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Never had an abortion, never will, but I’ll be damned if I sit idly by while my daughters are threatened by these crazy laws. This is a hill I will die on.

- grandma for choice

+1

Independent, in menopause, who worries for her DD

Every man with a wife and/or daughter should be worried for them if they love them.

+2. My daughter’s life could be threatened by these laws. Of course it’s my top voting issue.

Well the top voting issue for most people is the economy and Trumps economy was better than Bidens. I miss the days when 100 dollars meant a trunk full of groceries not just 2 bags

Your grocery prices have more to do with corporate greed than Biden or Trump.

The grocery prices increased due to the border crisis and war on energy from this crazy administration. A grocery truck isn’t going to run on hydro power and wind . Insane Dems want to get oil and gas cancelled and get meat cancelled as well. Cows are apparently bad for the environment so we need to eat bugs
For protein as well. They want overreach in every part of our lives for no good reason

? It's not from the border crisis. What news stories are you reading?

Inflation was caused by pent up demand (due to pandemic) + stimulus money (started by Trump btw) + supply chain issues from the pandemic.

Four years after covid, we are seeing some of the issues ease.

They opened the floodgates and a huge wave of migrants came in crossing farmland

https://www.agriculturedive.com/news/farm-immigration-border-crossings-food-safety-oped/703265/

Many migrants making their way through the U.S. trespass onto farmland, creating a number of safety concerns and forcing farmers to take on additional costs to protect their operations. Every intrusion must be carefully documented, and farmers have to destroy any crops around areas where illegal trespassing occurred to prevent contamination.

To prevent such intrusions, farmers have purchased expensive fencing to prevent people from entering their fields and technology to increase electronic field monitoring. They’ve also invested in no trespassing signage in English and Spanish, plus dumpsters and bathrooms for immigrants to use to keep the fields safe.

Yuma County Emergency Management, for example, has budgeted $70,000 to lease port-a-potties. At a congressional hearing this year, Arizona farmers and others detailed costs in the tens of thousands to replace fences, pick up litter and install signage.

But fields aren’t the only safety concern. Increased cartel activity along the border has also made it necessary for Yuma farmers to implement additional safety measures and training, with some paying for additional labor to eliminate the danger posed to lone workers. Migrants themselves are also at risk, and could be harmed by large farm equipment or the effects of pesticide or fertilizer application.

This border crisis is costing farmers and ranchers a fortune, as illegal immigrants leave property damage, piles of trash, and damaged crops in their wake. These people must often spend their hard-earned money to secure their farms and ranches from the devastating consequences of Biden's border crisis.

So, illegal immigrants are killing our farms even as they are the ones who mostly work the fields.

High food prices aren't caused by farmers raising the price because of illegal immigrants. It's due to corporate greed now.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan...by-corporate-profits

Corporate greed? You mean capitalism ? That always existed .

The change was the war in Ukraine causing global shortages of grains and in the US that affected prices as well as the border crisis . Such a huge amount of migrants were crossing over every day on farms . To prevent contamination, Farmers and ranchers had to build up fences and put security measures to prevent migrant foot traffic over the crops . The border crisis and open door policy of this clueless administration did cause an increase in grocery prices. We didn’t even see the price hikes from COVID 19 or Trumps tariffs on China

It was the supply chain issues and climate change, but ok.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/food-prices-grocery-inflation-biden-economy/

The reason for the hikes may be due to supply issues and climate change, rather than corporate greed. Drought has reduced pasture for raising cows, leading to smaller cattle herds, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. And orange production has been impacted by severe weather events and the citrus greening disease, which doesn't have a cure.

No valid news source has indicated that illegal immigrants are the cause of higher prices. More than likely, if Trump has his way, and rounds up all illegals, food prices will go up. Look at what happened in FL when Desantis cracked down illegal immigrants. Construction costs like roofing went up, and there was a long wait time, just after a hurricane hit.

Glad you agreed that capitalism is the same as corporate greed, which is one of the reasons why they ship jobs overseas. Will Trump impose regulations to bring back those jobs, I wonder?

Trump already brought many jobs back to Americans in meatpacking facilities and such . The ICE raids on illegal immigrants and their employers (people forget that part ) did not significantly explode food prices and neither did tarriffs on China during the 4 years Trump was in office as predicted . It was the Biden admin that exploded the price of food and decided to go on this Ill advised open border , welcome to all and war on energy policy

LOL.. most of the workers in meat packing plants are.... migrant workers. Also, Trump's hotels also hired illegal immigrants. Too funny.

We don't import food from China.

We absolutely import food from China. Instead of condensension, the Dems should learn to research and learn about the world beyond the blue states . Rural and small town America was decimated thanks to the Democrats . Hillary even said coal and factories don’t even exist in 2016. Elitism and callousness like this is why she lost .

Biden tried with his Scranton working class image but the past few years have shown small town America he doesn’t care about the fentanyl across the border and the global food crisis egged on by his war on Ukraine to help Washington’s new Cold War stance with Russia . Why do we need Ukraine to be in NATO ? We didn’t like it when Russians were on our doorstep in Cuba many many years ago under a am actually great Democratic president who avoided war with Cuba and possibly was killed for it

We didn't need Ukraine in NATO until Putin decided to invade Ukraine to push against NATO. Trump was not a fan of NATO so Putin had no fear from NATO. After Trump left office, Putin saw the writing on the wall, and that it was now or never to put a buffer between Russia and NATO, a la Ukraine.

That is how Trump is planning to stop the war there. He's going to hand Ukraine over to Russia. You might think that's fine, but that is a global security risk. Trump and MAGA don't get how important global security is because they (you) are isolationists.

Russian propaganda has clearly worked on you.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump scares Washington because his instincts are correct. We do need more isolationism , less war , and less free trade as it has damaged our countries manufacturing industry and caused probably more climate catastrophe globally to send these jobs overseas where there definitely is no regulation or such thing as clean energy initiatives .

His instincts are shit. The man went bankrupt running casinos. We can argue about policy, but I guarantee you, Trump is not the person to entrust with the direction of this country. He is pure chaos and ego.

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She is a lawyer, experienced prosecutor, experienced attorney general, experienced Senator and experienced VP. She's a damn sight better than another four with a convicted grifter in chief.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

+1, and what is the GOP doing about anything you want accomplished? It's always the Democrats' fault, right? They have to play with one hand tied behind their back and another party not operating in good faith. It's amazing that they're able to accomplish anything. Remind me again what the GOP platform is beyond mass deportations, revenge and platitudes?

Bull! We had 20 years out of the past 30+ years under Democratic administrations . 16 years of Clinton and Obama, and 4 years of Biden. They all were voted in with blue waves over Senate and Congress and did nothing . Where’s the gun control? The abortion protection? Where even is equal pay for women? We’ve been waiting on that one since 1972 and Dems were able to slip that to now pass EO’s /legislation saying anyone can be women and use women’s spaces . Great

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

No, I just want to point out that frequently the Democrats are trying but they’re being blocked the Republicans at every turn. The Democratic Party cannot single-handedly fix everything when they’re being rat snuggled by the GOP.

Do I get annoyed that our party plays by the rules and seems, generally, to lack the Machiavellian skills that the GOP has (the Biden pulling the rug out from the Let’s Go Brandon party notwithstanding; that was a masterstroke)? Hell yeah I do. But the GOP blocks everything and the gerrymandered states that limit the actual power of Democratic voters has me aware that unless we vote out the GOP in shocking numbers, it’s slow progress or go backwards. I’ll pick slow progress with the hope that the younger, invigorated Democrats like AOC and Jeffries push it forward faster.

I get that. But if the Democrats are consistently powerless, why should I keep donating to them? Why should I keep voting for them?

As far as I can tell, we ARE going backwards. We lost Roe. The candidate for the “good guys” dropped out last minute and his party planned a convention AFTER the ballot deadline.

Slow progress? Where?

Slow progress:

Affordable Care Act
CHIPS Act bringing jobs back to the US
IRA for new infrastructure and significant green economy funding

Just a start.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

+1, and what is the GOP doing about anything you want accomplished? It's always the Democrats' fault, right? They have to play with one hand tied behind their back and another party not operating in good faith. It's amazing that they're able to accomplish anything. Remind me again what the GOP platform is beyond mass deportations, revenge and platitudes?

Again, for a lot of us, the choice is Democrat vs staying home. It is not Democrat vs MAGA.

Tell me what the Democrat plan is to make sure Project 2025 NEVER happens. I’ll wait.