College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UNC is the biggest get in the ACC for both the Big Ten and SEC. FSU and Clemson won't like to hear it. Even Virginia is probably favorable to FSU.
Duke isn't happening anytime soon. Stanford is clearly a superior football school over 20+ years and is a superior academic brand. You can see how much the Big Ten wants them (only if ND comes).

The issues with Stanford are low attendance at football games and already in Big Ten recruiting territory (USC, UCLA, Oregon, & Washington). Stanford is still a possibility, but the broadcast partners are not convinced (they would be if Notre Dame wanted to join the Big Ten Conference as a pair). The Big Ten Presidents/Administrators want Stanford for academics/research/academic prestige. However, athletic decisions are made jointly with the broadcast partners (Fox, NBC, & CBS).

The biggest get in the ACC is among Georgia Tech, UNC, FSU, U Miami, and maybe Virginia. Duke might be okay, but not the top choice. The states of Florida & Georgia are prime recruiting grounds which the Big Ten wants. Florida is also great for college football viewership ratings. Georgia Tech brings the Atlanta Metro media market & great recruiting territory. UNC offers North Carolina recruiting & great basketball. Virginia offers great academics and a foothold in the South.

In my opinion, the Big Ten should be targeting the state of Texas, then Florida, then Georgia, followed by North Carolina and, finally, Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UNC is the biggest get in the ACC for both the Big Ten and SEC. FSU and Clemson won't like to hear it. Even Virginia is probably favorable to FSU.
Duke isn't happening anytime soon. Stanford is clearly a superior football school over 20+ years and is a superior academic brand. You can see how much the Big Ten wants them (only if ND comes).

I doubt the Big Ten wants a program like UNC that allowed 20 years of academic fraud.

[Anonymous]

The Big Ten Conference is a very well managed entity. The Big Ten doesn't always reveal its preferences or interests beyond Notre Dame. I doubt that the Big Ten has any interest at all in FSU or Clemson. The best "get" from the ACC would probably be Georgia Tech, then North Carolina. Not sure that there is much interest beyond those two schools even with all the noise about U Miami. None of this matters as neither Ga Tech nor UNC is available until close to 2036.

I suspect that the real interest may be focused on attracting Notre Dame or entering the state of Texas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UNC is the biggest get in the ACC for both the Big Ten and SEC. FSU and Clemson won't like to hear it. Even Virginia is probably favorable to FSU.
Duke isn't happening anytime soon. Stanford is clearly a superior football school over 20+ years and is a superior academic brand. You can see how much the Big Ten wants them (only if ND comes).

I doubt the Big Ten wants a program like UNC that allowed 20 years of academic fraud.

It has kept schools that have had far worse done by their employees.

[Anonymous]

The Big Ten can have any school in Texas outside of two. "Entering the state" isn't an issue. TCU, Baylor, and SMU would all jump in an instant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t the Big 10 chasing Cal & Stanford? Maybe it’s the sparse crowds that show up at Cal & Stanford home games? Or their mediocre football teams in recent years? Or, considering that the Big 10 is still anchored in the Rust Belt, maybe they just don’t like the smug superiority that oozes out of both schools.

Sparse crowds didn't stop them from taking UCLA, Rutgers, Maryland . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t the Big 10 chasing Cal & Stanford? Maybe it’s the sparse crowds that show up at Cal & Stanford home games? Or their mediocre football teams in recent years? Or, considering that the Big 10 is still anchored in the Rust Belt, maybe they just don’t like the smug superiority that oozes out of both schools.

Sparse crowds didn't stop them from taking UCLA, Rutgers, Maryland . . .

Rutgers and Maryland were all about the media markets (back when that was what really mattered). UCLA has a big alumni base for eyeballs, shored up the recruiting and entertainment region, and provided USC with what pretty much everyone considered the top western partner available.

[Anonymous]

Cal fits what the Big Ten wants schools to be more than anything on the academic side. It is the best public research institution in the US and is the flagship university in a key state. That profile just doesn't matter for sports $$ right now though.
You have to remember that schools like Purdue, Northwestern, and Minnesota would never be invited to the party if things were being formed today. They're much more like Cal, Stanford, and Oregon State in adding value than Michigan or Ohio State.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t the Big 10 chasing Cal & Stanford? Maybe it’s the sparse crowds that show up at Cal & Stanford home games? Or their mediocre football teams in recent years? Or, considering that the Big 10 is still anchored in the Rust Belt, maybe they just don’t like the smug superiority that oozes out of both schools.

Sparse crowds didn't stop them from taking UCLA, Rutgers, Maryland . . .

The huge media money was in cable subscriptions (NYC, Northern New Jersey, DC, Baltimore area).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t the Big 10 chasing Cal & Stanford? Maybe it’s the sparse crowds that show up at Cal & Stanford home games? Or their mediocre football teams in recent years? Or, considering that the Big 10 is still anchored in the Rust Belt, maybe they just don’t like the smug superiority that oozes out of both schools.

Both are superior to anything in the Big 10, but I don't get the smugly superior vibe from them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cal fits what the Big Ten wants schools to be more than anything on the academic side. It is the best public research institution in the US and is the flagship university in a key state. That profile just doesn't matter for sports $$ right now though.
You have to remember that schools like Purdue, Northwestern, and Minnesota would never be invited to the party if things were being formed today. They're much more like Cal, Stanford, and Oregon State in adding value than Michigan or Ohio State.

(OP here):

Do you have any basis for your claim that "UCal-Berkeley is the best public research institution in the US" ?

Are you familiar with the National Science Foundation R&D Expenditures list ? UCal-Berkeley is the 32nd highest, not the first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t the Big 10 chasing Cal & Stanford? Maybe it’s the sparse crowds that show up at Cal & Stanford home games? Or their mediocre football teams in recent years? Or, considering that the Big 10 is still anchored in the Rust Belt, maybe they just don’t like the smug superiority that oozes out of both schools.

Both are superior to anything in the Big 10, but I don't get the smugly superior vibe from them.

Both are superior to anything in all conferences that aren’t Ivy League. I include Duke and Vanderbilt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UNC is the biggest get in the ACC for both the Big Ten and SEC. FSU and Clemson won't like to hear it. Even Virginia is probably favorable to FSU.
Duke isn't happening anytime soon. Stanford is clearly a superior football school over 20+ years and is a superior academic brand. You can see how much the Big Ten wants them (only if ND comes).

The issues with Stanford are low attendance at football games and already in Big Ten recruiting territory (USC, UCLA, Oregon, & Washington). Stanford is still a possibility, but the broadcast partners are not convinced (they would be if Notre Dame wanted to join the Big Ten Conference as a pair). The Big Ten Presidents/Administrators want Stanford for academics/research/academic prestige. However, athletic decisions are made jointly with the broadcast partners (Fox, NBC, & CBS).

The biggest get in the ACC is among Georgia Tech, UNC, FSU, U Miami, and maybe Virginia. Duke might be okay, but not the top choice. The states of Florida & Georgia are prime recruiting grounds which the Big Ten wants. Florida is also great for college football viewership ratings. Georgia Tech brings the Atlanta Metro media market & great recruiting territory. UNC offers North Carolina recruiting & great basketball. Virginia offers great academics and a foothold in the South.

In my opinion, the Big Ten should be targeting the state of Texas, then Florida, then Georgia, followed by North Carolina and, finally, Virginia.

There aren't teams in Texas that are available and worth taking. That ship sailed. What is left for the B1G are: UNC, UVA, GaTech, Miami and NOtre Dame. If they could somehow work out a three way deal to end up with U-Florida, that is a better cultural fit than FSU.

[Anonymous]

The National Science Foundation ranks R&D (research & development) Expenditures for over 1,000 colleges and universities and medical centers each year.
The most recent year that I have is for 2021: (UCal-Berkeley is ranked at #32 with $847 million in R&D expenditures).

R&D Expenditires for 2021:

1) Johns Hopkins University--$3.2 Billion
2) UC-San Francisco--$1.7 Billion
3) U Michigan--$1.64 Billion
4) U Penn--$1.63 Billion
5) U Washington-Seattle--$1.5 Billion

6) UCLA--$1.46 Billion
7) UC-San Diego--$1.426 Billion
8) U Wisconsin-Madison--$1.38 Billion
9) Stanford--$1.275 Billion
10) Harvard--$1.254 Billion

11) Duke--$1.238 Billion
12) Ohio State University--$1.236 Billion
13) UNC--$1.2 Billion
14) Cornell--$1.18 Billion
15) Yale--$1.165 Billion

16) Texas A&M--$1.147 Billion
17) U Maryland--$1.142 Billion
18) U Pittsburgh--$1.135 Billion
19) U Texas Cancer Center--$1.125 Billion
20) Georgia Tech--$1.115 Billion

21) Columbia--$1.10 Billion
22) U Minnesota--$1.073 Billion
23) NYU--$1.064 Billion
24) Vanderbilt--$1.019 Billion
25) WashUStL--$989 million
26) Penn State Univ.--$971 million
27) U Florida--$960 million
28) USC--$956 million
29) MIT--$949 million
30) Northwestern University--$913 million

31) Emory University--$853 million
32) UCal-Berkeley--$847 million
33) Icahn Mount Sinai--$820 million
34) UC-Davis--$817 million
35) U Texas-Austin--$779 million

41) Purdue--$680 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The National Science Foundation ranks R&D (research & development) Expenditures for over 1,000 colleges and universities and medical centers each year.
The most recent year that I have is for 2021: (UCal-Berkeley is ranked at #32 with $847 million in R&D expenditures).

R&D Expenditires for 2021:

1) Johns Hopkins University--$3.2 Billion
2) UC-San Francisco--$1.7 Billion
3) U Michigan--$1.64 Billion
4) U Penn--$1.63 Billion
5) U Washington-Seattle--$1.5 Billion

6) UCLA--$1.46 Billion
7) UC-San Diego--$1.426 Billion
8) U Wisconsin-Madison--$1.38 Billion
9) Stanford--$1.275 Billion
10) Harvard--$1.254 Billion

11) Duke--$1.238 Billion
12) Ohio State University--$1.236 Billion
13) UNC--$1.2 Billion
14) Cornell--$1.18 Billion
15) Yale--$1.165 Billion

16) Texas A&M--$1.147 Billion
17) U Maryland--$1.142 Billion
18) U Pittsburgh--$1.135 Billion
19) U Texas Cancer Center--$1.125 Billion
20) Georgia Tech--$1.115 Billion

21) Columbia--$1.10 Billion
22) U Minnesota--$1.073 Billion
23) NYU--$1.064 Billion
24) Vanderbilt--$1.019 Billion
25) WashUStL--$989 million
26) Penn State Univ.--$971 million
27) U Florida--$960 million
28) USC--$956 million
29) MIT--$949 million
30) Northwestern University--$913 million

31) Emory University--$853 million
32) UCal-Berkeley--$847 million
33) Icahn Mount Sinai--$820 million
34) UC-Davis--$817 million
35) U Texas-Austin--$779 million

41) Purdue--$680 million

Jeez. Between Hopkins and UMD .. Maryland is flush.