Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering. They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.

True. Look at US News best global engineering school rankings. Even scarier is the fact that many of China’s engineering schools in the world’s T25 or T50 don’t even belong to their Ministry of Education—they belong to their Ministry of Defense. Including world’s #5, Harbin, which is ranked just below world’s #4, MIT. It’s a military technical university.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering

Yup.

Americans are oblivious to how fast they're falling behind in technical fields.

We get it, Americans are slow and stupid, and only you and your kind belong in American colleges.

If this is how you feel, why do you want to go to our colleges so much?

Do you wake up and go to your work every morning because you think your job is the best and want to go to your work so much?

You are off on another illogical tangent that has no relevance to your original point. Again.

yea you are confused

Stop projecting.

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Anonymous wrote:Op-ed from (Asian-American) professors at University of Maryland and USC about why affirmative action is not hurting Asian-Americans

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-06-14/affirmative-action-supreme-court-harvard-case-asian-americans

(cross-posted to the other Affirmative Action thread)

+1

Excellent article from Asian scholars. Dispels much of the nonsense spouted by DCUM trolls.

As if a handful of Asian professors speak for the entire Asian community. Laughable.

As if you do...

dp.. Look at Prop 209 and Prop 16.

A PP posted this article up thread. CA Asian American voters speak for themselves.

https://news.yahoo.com/failed-affirmative-action-campaign-shook-152236410.html

I'm Asian American, and know a lot of Asian Americans, and no Asian American I know supports aa. They may support SES based aa, but not race based aa.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m late but I always chime in when I see posts like this. My AA cousin ( not first Gen) got rejected this year from two Ivy League schools and multiple top 20 schools. He is going to Georgia Tech and we are so proud of him. I don’t know his GPA but he got a near perfect score on his SATs.
Having said that, my DC is now a rising sophomore at an Ivy. Graduated with a 4.5+ GPA with competitive SATs which were submitted (not perfect but in the middle range). My DC does have a spike in STEM and other impressive academic talents. My kid’s essay, ECs (some since middle school) and recommendations were top notch.

The majority of URM on campus are Hispanic or from African countries. There are plenty of Asians on campus. Every single one of my kid’s friends (every nationality) I met on campus are brilliant. Anyone admitted with lower scores are probably highly recruited talented athletes who are also “smart”.

I work with Ivy grads in a regular job environment (all with masters and above). They are super smart but not necessarily brilliant. A high SAT test score does not make one brilliant. A high SAT test score does not mean you can hang with the big dogs. Anyone can study for a test. Perhaps the admissions criteria have changed based on past outcomes and research revealing this fact?

I have to agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

DP here. Here is the issue. I will spell it out for you. Certain cheating groups ruined the SAT for the majority, who were not cheating. You may want to deny it, or pretend it did not happen - but it did, and now admissions is changed forever. Nothing you say or do, including pointing at other groups, will change that.

Congratulations?

Lol. 'Certain cheating groups ruined the SAT'.

Just say it - you mean Asians. No need to hide behind your racist dog whistle that stereotypes Asians as cheaters. No way possibly that Asians could be that much higher performing than all other racial and ethnic groups - it must be because they cheated or are cheating. What a horrific stereotype.

Your racism and anti-asian hate is showing. Just wear it on your sleeve at this point.

You are not familiar with that particular cheating issue? Look it up! Why am I “racist” for knowing about it? It’s no secret!

There it is folks. Asians cheat.

Wow, what a shocking and vulgar display of racist stereotype. That's like saying black men commit crime, look at the stats!

You hate Asian people, we get it.

The only thing that was "shocking" and "vulgar" was how the cheating happened. Stop trying to stir the pot.

cheating happens everywhere. Look at the Varsity Blues scandal.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m late but I always chime in when I see posts like this. My AA cousin ( not first Gen) got rejected this year from two Ivy League schools and multiple top 20 schools. He is going to Georgia Tech and we are so proud of him. I don’t know his GPA but he got a near perfect score on his SATs.
Having said that, my DC is now a rising sophomore at an Ivy. Graduated with a 4.5+ GPA with competitive SATs which were submitted (not perfect but in the middle range). My DC does have a spike in STEM and other impressive academic talents. My kid’s essay, ECs (some since middle school) and recommendations were top notch.

The majority of URM on campus are Hispanic or from African countries. There are plenty of Asians on campus. Every single one of my kid’s friends (every nationality) I met on campus are brilliant. Anyone admitted with lower scores are probably highly recruited talented athletes who are also “smart”.

I work with Ivy grads in a regular job environment (all with masters and above). They are super smart but not necessarily brilliant. A high SAT test score does not make one brilliant. A high SAT test score does not mean you can hang with the big dogs. Anyone can study for a test. Perhaps the admissions criteria have changed based on past outcomes and research revealing this fact?

You don't see the contradiction here?

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Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

What are you talking about
Working hard and fair competition is not just the American way, it should be applied to everywhere
Since you asked, personally I followed my parents when I was a minor, and my kids were born here like you I guess.
I don't hate anything. I just found that the college admission system has a lot of flaws and room for improvements.
It seems that the US Supreme Court would agree with me on some of them, and we'll see progress.
Systems evolve.

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Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

What are you talking about
Working hard and fair competition is not just the American way, it should be applied to everywhere
Since you asked, personally I followed my parents when I was a minor, and my kids were born here like you I guess.
I don't hate anything. I just found that the college admission system has a lot of flaws and room for improvements.
It seems that the US Supreme Court would agree with me on some of them, and we'll see progress.
Systems evolve.

You are looking for a dictatorship. It is not here.

But go on with your tutoring.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m late but I always chime in when I see posts like this. My AA cousin ( not first Gen) got rejected this year from two Ivy League schools and multiple top 20 schools. He is going to Georgia Tech and we are so proud of him. I don’t know his GPA but he got a near perfect score on his SATs.
Having said that, my DC is now a rising sophomore at an Ivy. Graduated with a 4.5+ GPA with competitive SATs which were submitted (not perfect but in the middle range). My DC does have a spike in STEM and other impressive academic talents. My kid’s essay, ECs (some since middle school) and recommendations were top notch.

The majority of URM on campus are Hispanic or from African countries. There are plenty of Asians on campus. Every single one of my kid’s friends (every nationality) I met on campus are brilliant. Anyone admitted with lower scores are probably highly recruited talented athletes who are also “smart”.

I work with Ivy grads in a regular job environment (all with masters and above). They are super smart but not necessarily brilliant. A high SAT test score does not make one brilliant. A high SAT test score does not mean you can hang with the big dogs. Anyone can study for a test. Perhaps the admissions criteria have changed based on past outcomes and research revealing this fact?

You don't see the contradiction here?

Those anti-Asian racist posts are full of self-contradictions. Is there a need to keep posting here? Both sides

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Anonymous wrote:This kid seems insufferable, but I kind of feel badly for him.

He has great scores and he should be very proud of himself, but if folks in his life were telling him that he was a shoo-in for an Ivy League college, then he was getting bad advice.

Very very few people can be assured of spots in the Ivy League. Kids of major (MAJOR) donors are one, kids who have won significant national prizes (ISEF Top Prize Winners) are another. But a kid with good test scores and grades? That's a crapshoot.

Similarly, whoever told him to put this out there into the world was doing him a disservice because the coverage has focused on how at least one of the schools he was rejected from doesn't use race-based admissions at all.

+1. Those who advise teenagers should NOT lead them to believe that they'll have even a decent chance at an elite school. It's really not fair to the teenagers, no matter how impressive the teenager is.

The teens don't care where they attend college - only the parents do. That is why the prepping starts so early - early life is about what college you attend, nothing else. If you need a tutor for each class, you are in the wrong classes.

I have to disagree with you on this…go to any competitive HS (Sidwell, TJ, Whitman, etc) and the teens are super status conscious. Could be parental pressure which starts it, but seems organic too.

Yes this. Teens have minds of their own and talk to one another.

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Anonymous wrote:This kid seems insufferable, but I kind of feel badly for him.

He has great scores and he should be very proud of himself, but if folks in his life were telling him that he was a shoo-in for an Ivy League college, then he was getting bad advice.

Very very few people can be assured of spots in the Ivy League. Kids of major (MAJOR) donors are one, kids who have won significant national prizes (ISEF Top Prize Winners) are another. But a kid with good test scores and grades? That's a crapshoot.

Similarly, whoever told him to put this out there into the world was doing him a disservice because the coverage has focused on how at least one of the schools he was rejected from doesn't use race-based admissions at all.

+1. Those who advise teenagers should NOT lead them to believe that they'll have even a decent chance at an elite school. It's really not fair to the teenagers, no matter how impressive the teenager is.

The teens don't care where they attend college - only the parents do. That is why the prepping starts so early - early life is about what college you attend, nothing else. If you need a tutor for each class, you are in the wrong classes.

I have to disagree with you on this…go to any competitive HS (Sidwell, TJ, Whitman, etc) and the teens are super status conscious. Could be parental pressure which starts it, but seems organic too.

Yes this. Teens have minds of their own and talk to one another.

Not until application time. Before that, it is all parent pushing small children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This kid seems insufferable, but I kind of feel badly for him.

He has great scores and he should be very proud of himself, but if folks in his life were telling him that he was a shoo-in for an Ivy League college, then he was getting bad advice.

Very very few people can be assured of spots in the Ivy League. Kids of major (MAJOR) donors are one, kids who have won significant national prizes (ISEF Top Prize Winners) are another. But a kid with good test scores and grades? That's a crapshoot.

Similarly, whoever told him to put this out there into the world was doing him a disservice because the coverage has focused on how at least one of the schools he was rejected from doesn't use race-based admissions at all.

+1. Those who advise teenagers should NOT lead them to believe that they'll have even a decent chance at an elite school. It's really not fair to the teenagers, no matter how impressive the teenager is.

This. I almost wish everyone had to take probability and statistics. The colleges put out acceptance rates. The few that don't have even lower acceptance rates. You can do all the things and not get into a school with a sub-20% acceptance rate.

+1000
Apparently all the kids and parents who want them to attend an elite school do not understand simple stats. If they did, they would get that all are a Reach for everyone

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Anonymous wrote:I’m late but I always chime in when I see posts like this. My AA cousin ( not first Gen) got rejected this year from two Ivy League schools and multiple top 20 schools. He is going to Georgia Tech and we are so proud of him. I don’t know his GPA but he got a near perfect score on his SATs.
Having said that, my DC is now a rising sophomore at an Ivy. Graduated with a 4.5+ GPA with competitive SATs which were submitted (not perfect but in the middle range). My DC does have a spike in STEM and other impressive academic talents. My kid’s essay, ECs (some since middle school) and recommendations were top notch.

The majority of URM on campus are Hispanic or from African countries. There are plenty of Asians on campus. Every single one of my kid’s friends (every nationality) I met on campus are brilliant. Anyone admitted with lower scores are probably highly recruited talented athletes who are also “smart”.

I work with Ivy grads in a regular job environment (all with masters and above). They are super smart but not necessarily brilliant. A high SAT test score does not make one brilliant. A high SAT test score does not mean you can hang with the big dogs. Anyone can study for a test. Perhaps the admissions criteria have changed based on past outcomes and research revealing this fact?

That is literally what most have been saying the entire thread. Yet those rejected somehow feel it's about race and also feel that their 1600 means they are smarter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This kid seems insufferable, but I kind of feel badly for him.

He has great scores and he should be very proud of himself, but if folks in his life were telling him that he was a shoo-in for an Ivy League college, then he was getting bad advice.

Very very few people can be assured of spots in the Ivy League. Kids of major (MAJOR) donors are one, kids who have won significant national prizes (ISEF Top Prize Winners) are another. But a kid with good test scores and grades? That's a crapshoot.

Similarly, whoever told him to put this out there into the world was doing him a disservice because the coverage has focused on how at least one of the schools he was rejected from doesn't use race-based admissions at all.

+1. Those who advise teenagers should NOT lead them to believe that they'll have even a decent chance at an elite school. It's really not fair to the teenagers, no matter how impressive the teenager is.

The teens don't care where they attend college - only the parents do. That is why the prepping starts so early - early life is about what college you attend, nothing else. If you need a tutor for each class, you are in the wrong classes.

I have to disagree with you on this…go to any competitive HS (Sidwell, TJ, Whitman, etc) and the teens are super status conscious. Could be parental pressure which starts it, but seems organic too.

It's parental pressure since they were little that started it. By senior year of HS it is engrained well

[Anonymous]

I was at a college program where some in admissions from an Ivy League school spoke and said the following

To fill out a class I need football players, cheer leaders, band members, presidents of fraternities, people all 50 states, people all nationalities, international students, first Gen college students, students from a variety of high schools. And more importantly all majors. I have humanities, arts, nursing, art history, sociology, psychology etc.

So they set a Min GPA and test score to get in.

And yes an Eskimo star QB who wants to major in Art History when I have a shortage of Art History majors and need a QB and I don’t have a single Eskimo gets a leg up.

It is not just test score or Gpa

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US. Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life. They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close. The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children. They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over. What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all). If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here. Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?). If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

What are you talking about
Working hard and fair competition is not just the American way, it should be applied to everywhere
Since you asked, personally I followed my parents when I was a minor, and my kids were born here like you I guess.
I don't hate anything. I just found that the college admission system has a lot of flaws and room for improvements.
It seems that the US Supreme Court would agree with me on some of them, and we'll see progress.
Systems evolve.

You are looking for a dictatorship. It is not here.

But go on with your tutoring.

It seems that you don't understand the meaning of the word, dictatorship.
The colleges are acting like dictators when they are receiving all sorts of government aid and support.