Boundaries assessment update 2023

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

DP. Langley and Marshall are both at 91% capacity.
https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

From this dashboard: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23CapacityDashboard/ReadMe
Langley is at 91% capacity
Marshall is at 91% capacity, but at 97% capacity without the modular.

So not the equivalent... That said, both are still way better situated from a capacity standpoint than McLean.

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Why are people so fixated on wanting to keep Mclean well over 120% above capacity. I really don't care when their last "renovation" was...either move more kids to Langley OR add an addition. Pick. But STOP saying that because the school was "update" in 2005 and because it is located in a "wealthy" area...which isn't 100% true BTW that the kids there should just be neglected...that is a bunch of crap

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people so fixated on wanting to keep Mclean well over 120% above capacity. I really don't care when their last "renovation" was...either move more kids to Langley OR add an addition. Pick. But STOP saying that because the school was "update" in 2005 and because it is located in a "wealthy" area...which isn't 100% true BTW that the kids there should just be neglected...that is a bunch of crap

No one is saying they should deliberately be neglected, but they can't have their cake and eat it too. It seems the goal for each pyramid community now is to have very small FARMs and also a state-of-the-art renovated and expanded building. Yes, some pyramids like Langley, Oakton, and West Springfield got away with it through timing and politics falling in their favor.

But just because they got their way doesn't mean now every remaining pyramid is owed the same favor.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

So who were Jeff Platenburg’s co-conspirators in this plot?

You don’t even need co-conspirators when the School Board exercises so little oversight over Facilities. You just bump up the approved expansion from 2100 seats to 2370 and don’t tell anyone until it’s almost finished. Great Falls is happy and the building contractor is even happier.

And then Platenberg got to take credit for having expanded capacity county-wide, even if it was at a location that isn’t convenient and is surrounded by neighborhoods with old people and families sending their kids to privates.

It’s ridiculous and it leads some people familiar with the shenanigans to say they’ll vote against school bonds in the future, but the problem with that is that it penalizes other schools that have greater needs and may finally be getting renovated.

Gosh, where have I heard this exact same song and dance before? Oh, right - on every single thread. Give it a rest, McLean mom.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

DP. Langley and Marshall are both at 91% capacity.
https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

From this dashboard: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23CapacityDashboard/ReadMe
Langley is at 91% capacity
Marshall is at 91% capacity, but at 97% capacity without the modular.

So not the equivalent... That said, both are still way better situated from a capacity standpoint than McLean.

Where are you getting the 97%?

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

DP. Langley and Marshall are both at 91% capacity.
https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

From this dashboard: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23CapacityDashboard/ReadMe
Langley is at 91% capacity
Marshall is at 91% capacity, but at 97% capacity without the modular.

So not the equivalent... That said, both are still way better situated from a capacity standpoint than McLean.

Correct. Modulars are temporary, not permanent, classrooms. That’s why FCPS also calculates capacity without them.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

So who were Jeff Platenburg’s co-conspirators in this plot?

You don’t even need co-conspirators when the School Board exercises so little oversight over Facilities. You just bump up the approved expansion from 2100 seats to 2370 and don’t tell anyone until it’s almost finished. Great Falls is happy and the building contractor is even happier.

And then Platenberg got to take credit for having expanded capacity county-wide, even if it was at a location that isn’t convenient and is surrounded by neighborhoods with old people and families sending their kids to privates.

It’s ridiculous and it leads some people familiar with the shenanigans to say they’ll vote against school bonds in the future, but the problem with that is that it penalizes other schools that have greater needs and may finally be getting renovated.

Gosh, where have I heard this exact same song and dance before? Oh, right - on every single thread. Give it a rest, McLean mom.
DP

No one forces you to read every post, much less be such an obnoxious troll.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

So who were Jeff Platenburg’s co-conspirators in this plot?

You don’t even need co-conspirators when the School Board exercises so little oversight over Facilities. You just bump up the approved expansion from 2100 seats to 2370 and don’t tell anyone until it’s almost finished. Great Falls is happy and the building contractor is even happier.

And then Platenberg got to take credit for having expanded capacity county-wide, even if it was at a location that isn’t convenient and is surrounded by neighborhoods with old people and families sending their kids to privates.

It’s ridiculous and it leads some people familiar with the shenanigans to say they’ll vote against school bonds in the future, but the problem with that is that it penalizes other schools that have greater needs and may finally be getting renovated.

Gosh, where have I heard this exact same song and dance before? Oh, right - on every single thread. Give it a rest, McLean mom.
DP

No one forces you to read every post, much less be such an obnoxious troll.

You're certainly the expert on "obnoxious trolls," considering you repeat your complaints nearly verbatim all over this thread. I used to have empathy for the overcrowding at McLean HS, but honestly, you are so repetitive and truly obnoxious that any empathy I might have had is rapidly dwindling.

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

DP. Langley and Marshall are both at 91% capacity.
https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

From this dashboard: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23CapacityDashboard/ReadMe
Langley is at 91% capacity
Marshall is at 91% capacity, but at 97% capacity without the modular.

So not the equivalent... That said, both are still way better situated from a capacity standpoint than McLean.

Where are you getting the 97%?

DP, but the current 97% for Marshall w/out the modular is in the 2024-28 Capital Improvement Program. For McLean, it’s 122%.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

So who were Jeff Platenburg’s co-conspirators in this plot?

You don’t even need co-conspirators when the School Board exercises so little oversight over Facilities. You just bump up the approved expansion from 2100 seats to 2370 and don’t tell anyone until it’s almost finished. Great Falls is happy and the building contractor is even happier.

And then Platenberg got to take credit for having expanded capacity county-wide, even if it was at a location that isn’t convenient and is surrounded by neighborhoods with old people and families sending their kids to privates.

It’s ridiculous and it leads some people familiar with the shenanigans to say they’ll vote against school bonds in the future, but the problem with that is that it penalizes other schools that have greater needs and may finally be getting renovated.

Gosh, where have I heard this exact same song and dance before? Oh, right - on every single thread. Give it a rest, McLean mom.
DP

No one forces you to read every post, much less be such an obnoxious troll.

You're certainly the expert on "obnoxious trolls," considering you repeat your complaints nearly verbatim all over this thread. I used to have empathy for the overcrowding at McLean HS, but honestly, you are so repetitive and truly obnoxious that any empathy I might have had is rapidly dwindling.

The lack of respect is mutual, Langley Mom, and your “empathy” has always been non-existent. And I’m not the only poster to whom you regularly respond with snide remarks and condescension.

As will others, I’ll continue to post here and advocate for additional capital investments in MHS and improvements to FCPS’s historically weak planning processes.

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

As was said, no one currently at Langley has any issue with these neighbors being assigned.
You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

Ummmm.... Spring Hill Road is really, really long so not sure that logic works but those families would be welcome at Langley.....according the FCPS's own capacity maps on their website BOTH Langley and Marshall are at 91% so not sure where you are getting your info. Peace out.

Exclude the cheap modular at Marshall (Langley doesn’t have one) and those percentages look rather different.

Modular’s are considered a permanent part of the school, so excluding the modular isn’t an accurate assessment.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people so fixated on wanting to keep Mclean well over 120% above capacity. I really don't care when their last "renovation" was...either move more kids to Langley OR add an addition. Pick. But STOP saying that because the school was "update" in 2005 and because it is located in a "wealthy" area...which isn't 100% true BTW that the kids there should just be neglected...that is a bunch of crap

No one is saying they should deliberately be neglected, but they can't have their cake and eat it too. It seems the goal for each pyramid community now is to have very small FARMs and also a state-of-the-art renovated and expanded building. Yes, some pyramids like Langley, Oakton, and West Springfield got away with it through timing and politics falling in their favor.

But just because they got their way doesn't mean now every remaining pyramid is owed the same favor.

So you are saying because kids go to a school with a low FARMS rate they should be forced to be at 120% capacity for all eternity while schools that are far less crowded get updated???? Total BS

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

As was said, no one currently at Langley has any issue with these neighbors being assigned.
You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

Ummmm.... Spring Hill Road is really, really long so not sure that logic works but those families would be welcome at Langley.....according the FCPS's own capacity maps on their website BOTH Langley and Marshall are at 91% so not sure where you are getting your info. Peace out.

Exclude the cheap modular at Marshall (Langley doesn’t have one) and those percentages look rather different.

Modular’s are considered a permanent part of the school, so excluding the modular isn’t an accurate assessment.

They are treated differently than trailers, but FCPS wouldn’t calculate capacity without reference to modulars, as it does in its annual CIPs, if they were considered “a permanent part of the school.”

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people so fixated on wanting to keep Mclean well over 120% above capacity. I really don't care when their last "renovation" was...either move more kids to Langley OR add an addition. Pick. But STOP saying that because the school was "update" in 2005 and because it is located in a "wealthy" area...which isn't 100% true BTW that the kids there should just be neglected...that is a bunch of crap

No one is saying they should deliberately be neglected, but they can't have their cake and eat it too. It seems the goal for each pyramid community now is to have very small FARMs and also a state-of-the-art renovated and expanded building. Yes, some pyramids like Langley, Oakton, and West Springfield got away with it through timing and politics falling in their favor.

But just because they got their way doesn't mean now every remaining pyramid is owed the same favor.

So you are saying because kids go to a school with a low FARMS rate they should be forced to be at 120% capacity for all eternity while schools that are far less crowded get updated???? Total BS

Are you realizing this just now? This is the crux of the liberal philosophy, tax the rich, then play saviors and distribute money on their pet social justice projects. And, of course rich people/areas get little in return because they are already wealthy they don't need good roads, good schools etc.

Why do you think Biden is tanking in the polls? He has done a terrible job securing the border or tackling crime issues, Trump will win in 2024 because people are Fed up. Progressives hijacked Biden's agenda and screwed us all royally!

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people so fixated on wanting to keep Mclean well over 120% above capacity. I really don't care when their last "renovation" was...either move more kids to Langley OR add an addition. Pick. But STOP saying that because the school was "update" in 2005 and because it is located in a "wealthy" area...which isn't 100% true BTW that the kids there should just be neglected...that is a bunch of crap

No one is saying they should deliberately be neglected, but they can't have their cake and eat it too. It seems the goal for each pyramid community now is to have very small FARMs and also a state-of-the-art renovated and expanded building. Yes, some pyramids like Langley, Oakton, and West Springfield got away with it through timing and politics falling in their favor.

But just because they got their way doesn't mean now every remaining pyramid is owed the same favor.

I think this is based on the false premise that schools are only above capacity if they are low FARMS and people somehow flock to the school because of the low FARMS rate.

West Potomac and Justice both have a higher than average FARMS rate and got a massive (WestPo) or large (Justice) addition outside the renovation queue.

South Lakes has about an average FARMS rate and got a large addition outside the renovation queue.

Langley, Oakton, and West Springfield were due for renovations, and at least two of those schools got larger renovations than originally planned. You could argue about whether that was due to politics or other factors, but they are far from the only schools to have recently been renovated and expanded.

McLean has been more overcrowded than most of those schools, yet treated worse. First, it was saddled with many trailers for years, then it got a cheap modular relocated from another school. And if it got left off the list of schools that got additions outside the renovation queue because FCPS staff thought they could just move several hundred kids to Langley, Elaine Tholen - representing the interests of her Great Falls neighbors - made sure that didn’t happen.

The school remains overcrowded and, at a minimum, needs an addition. Not because it’s an affluent school that always deserves to get its way, but simply because it’s fair and the right thing to do. The county has prioritized growth within the McLean boundaries and most of that growth is multi-family housing in Tysons that includes, though certainly is not limited to, affordable housing units. It’s bizarre for the county to encourage this residential growth, yet then turn around and refuse to invest in the schools in that area because they historically have been lower FARMS.