Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:If anyone is interested, the Abel counterclaims against Jones included a copy of the contract Jonesworks had with Wayfarer.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.635782/gov.uscourts.nysd.635782.39.1.pdf

Here's the portion about confidentiality:
Throughout Client’s engagement of Company hereunder, Client may disclose or
provide Company with confidential, proprietary and/or sensitive information about
Client, its customers or other related parties (“Confidential Information”). Company
shall use reasonable and diligent efforts to keep Confidential Information confidential
provided that Company may disclose such information to third parties to the extent
necessary to fulfill its obligations under this Agreement or to its legal representatives.
Company shall not use such information for any purpose beyond the performance of
Company’s services hereunder unless otherwise required by law or a court of competent
jurisdiction. Company may, however, use Client’s name as part of its client list and
publicly acknowledge that it is undertaking work for Client pursuant to this Agreement
without specifying the nature of Services. For the avoidance of doubt, Confidential
Information shall not include information (a) which is or later becomes publicly
available through no wrongful act of Company, (b) known by Company prior to Client’s
disclosure to Company in connection with this Agreement or (c) independently
developed by Company without reliance on information disclosed by Client.
Notwithstanding the foregoing, Company is not liable for any third party’s disclosure
of Client’s Confidential Information so long as such third party did not obtain the
Confidential Information as a result of Company’s breach or failure to uphold its
obligations hereunder. Upon the expiration or termination of this Agreement and at the
request of Client, Company shall return or destroy all of Client’s Confidential
Information in Company’s possession and shall upon request of Client send a
certification as to such return or destruction.

Abel’s and wayfarer’s suits against Jones are strong imo, despite what some of the lawyers on this thread have said. Watched ask 2 lawyers and they seemed to feel the same. Among other things, Abel’s employment contract included a number of provisions that CA simply does not recognize and CA law even states that an employer can be hit with punitive damages for even including these provisions because they’re so obviously illegal that they’re anticompetitive. As a layperson, I think what they mean by that is that if an employer includes an illegal clause in a contract (like a non compete clause, which CA doesn’t recognize) the employer is likely doing it in the hopes that the employee not knowing any better will self restrict their own behavior (although the law doesn’t require them to). Abel has asked the court to void the contract.

Jones also apparently showed Abel’s texts to other coworkers (not just Sloane) in a clear violation of employee privacy. Some people here think Abel doesn’t have rights b/c Jonesworks owned the phone, but CA applies a reasonable person standard to these sorts of actions. Imagine if your boss showed all of your emails and texts, work related or not, to all of your coworkers without your consent. It’s a huge invasion of privacy.

If you are adopting more opinions that are pro-Baldoni based on the Ask Two Lawyers podcast without reading and understanding the docs yourself, you are likely doing yourself a disservice, as I found from my investigation of the protective orders (which granted, almost no one here agrees with me on, but which I am positive I’m right about ha!). They had not listened to the hearing and clearly did mot even understand the underlying documents, and their opinion really reflected a pro-Baldoni bias that was weird.

Re the comment about Lively icing Baldoni out — yeah, I don’t know all the facts. But I don’t think icing him out of promotional events was really a smear campaign against him. Lively and the cast were not saying anything bad about him during those events. I think a smear campaign is when you hire Amber Hears’s PR firm and they say hey we can’t out all the stuff we will do to her in writing because then we would get in trouble. And then talking about how effective the smear guy you hired was being (though now he says he was just monitoring). To me.

But they completely were though. I heard about the fat shaming rumors back in August before any of this went down. Who do you think started that??

You have to remember, this was a highly anticipated movie with a built-in fan base, and fans were asking, why in the hell are these cast members not interacting with each other and acting so weird? And the answer to that was well Justin fat shamed Blake, Justin is a creep, etc.. I’m sorry, but that is a smear campaign. Someone started those rumors.

And the fat shaming thing is so ridiculous because even though he probably didn’t handle it great, I really think he made a strong case for not giving a crap about Blake‘s weight. She was the one who is obsessed with it and deeply insecure - I think insecurities about her age, her postpartum body, her feeling like she wasn’t recognized for contributions to past projects, feeling like she’s behind in terms of wanting to have control of storytelling and producing etc all played into this. At the end of the day, no, I do not think he fat shamed her.

But that chatter started somewhere. Justin knew they were preparing for something big. He sent that chilling text to Nathan and Abel saying so. He was preparing to save his reputation. And sure enough, Ryan started the sexual predator talk (I’m sorry nothing to at Blake described that happened on set was predatory behavior, though I do think she thought every man on that set was out to get her and was trying to look at her boobs or something, and clearly she was paranoid and making things up about who was there when.)

So not at all fair to say that he started this. They could have just had a cordial premier and she would’ve gotten a lot less pushback. She should’ve listened to media professionals that told her not to sell alcohol lines and launch hair lines during the marketing of this, and she would’ve gotten a lot less criticism.

Sure, maybe the movie would have not done quite as well, but at least she would have her reputation and maybe her marriage, and her friendship with Taylor. I think all that’s pretty much gone now no matter the outcome of this case.

TLDR

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If anyone is interested, the Abel counterclaims against Jones included a copy of the contract Jonesworks had with Wayfarer.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.635782/gov.uscourts.nysd.635782.39.1.pdf

Here's the portion about confidentiality:
Throughout Client’s engagement of Company hereunder, Client may disclose or
provide Company with confidential, proprietary and/or sensitive information about
Client, its customers or other related parties (“Confidential Information”). Company
shall use reasonable and diligent efforts to keep Confidential Information confidential
provided that Company may disclose such information to third parties to the extent
necessary to fulfill its obligations under this Agreement or to its legal representatives.
Company shall not use such information for any purpose beyond the performance of
Company’s services hereunder unless otherwise required by law or a court of competent
jurisdiction. Company may, however, use Client’s name as part of its client list and
publicly acknowledge that it is undertaking work for Client pursuant to this Agreement
without specifying the nature of Services. For the avoidance of doubt, Confidential
Information shall not include information (a) which is or later becomes publicly
available through no wrongful act of Company, (b) known by Company prior to Client’s
disclosure to Company in connection with this Agreement or (c) independently
developed by Company without reliance on information disclosed by Client.
Notwithstanding the foregoing, Company is not liable for any third party’s disclosure
of Client’s Confidential Information so long as such third party did not obtain the
Confidential Information as a result of Company’s breach or failure to uphold its
obligations hereunder. Upon the expiration or termination of this Agreement and at the
request of Client, Company shall return or destroy all of Client’s Confidential
Information in Company’s possession and shall upon request of Client send a
certification as to such return or destruction.

Abel’s and wayfarer’s suits against Jones are strong imo, despite what some of the lawyers on this thread have said. Watched ask 2 lawyers and they seemed to feel the same. Among other things, Abel’s employment contract included a number of provisions that CA simply does not recognize and CA law even states that an employer can be hit with punitive damages for even including these provisions because they’re so obviously illegal that they’re anticompetitive. As a layperson, I think what they mean by that is that if an employer includes an illegal clause in a contract (like a non compete clause, which CA doesn’t recognize) the employer is likely doing it in the hopes that the employee not knowing any better will self restrict their own behavior (although the law doesn’t require them to). Abel has asked the court to void the contract.

Jones also apparently showed Abel’s texts to other coworkers (not just Sloane) in a clear violation of employee privacy. Some people here think Abel doesn’t have rights b/c Jonesworks owned the phone, but CA applies a reasonable person standard to these sorts of actions. Imagine if your boss showed all of your emails and texts, work related or not, to all of your coworkers without your consent. It’s a huge invasion of privacy.

If you are adopting more opinions that are pro-Baldoni based on the Ask Two Lawyers podcast without reading and understanding the docs yourself, you are likely doing yourself a disservice, as I found from my investigation of the protective orders (which granted, almost no one here agrees with me on, but which I am positive I’m right about ha!). They had not listened to the hearing and clearly did mot even understand the underlying documents, and their opinion really reflected a pro-Baldoni bias that was weird.

Re the comment about Lively icing Baldoni out — yeah, I don’t know all the facts. But I don’t think icing him out of promotional events was really a smear campaign against him. Lively and the cast were not saying anything bad about him during those events. I think a smear campaign is when you hire Amber Hears’s PR firm and they say hey we can’t out all the stuff we will do to her in writing because then we would get in trouble. And then talking about how effective the smear guy you hired was being (though now he says he was just monitoring). To me.

But they completely were though. I heard about the fat shaming rumors back in August before any of this went down. Who do you think started that??

You have to remember, this was a highly anticipated movie with a built-in fan base, and fans were asking, why in the hell are these cast members not interacting with each other and acting so weird? And the answer to that was well Justin fat shamed Blake, Justin is a creep, etc.. I’m sorry, but that is a smear campaign. Someone started those rumors.

And the fat shaming thing is so ridiculous because even though he probably didn’t handle it great, I really think he made a strong case for not giving a crap about Blake‘s weight. She was the one who is obsessed with it and deeply insecure - I think insecurities about her age, her postpartum body, her feeling like she wasn’t recognized for contributions to past projects, feeling like she’s behind in terms of wanting to have control of storytelling and producing etc all played into this. At the end of the day, no, I do not think he fat shamed her.

But that chatter started somewhere. Justin knew they were preparing for something big. He sent that chilling text to Nathan and Abel saying so. He was preparing to save his reputation. And sure enough, Ryan started the sexual predator talk (I’m sorry nothing to at Blake described that happened on set was predatory behavior, though I do think she thought every man on that set was out to get her and was trying to look at her boobs or something, and clearly she was paranoid and making things up about who was there when.)

So not at all fair to say that he started this. They could have just had a cordial premier and she would’ve gotten a lot less pushback. She should’ve listened to media professionals that told her not to sell alcohol lines and launch hair lines during the marketing of this, and she would’ve gotten a lot less criticism.

Sure, maybe the movie would have not done quite as well, but at least she would have her reputation and maybe her marriage, and her friendship with Taylor. I think all that’s pretty much gone now no matter the outcome of this case.

TLDR

It’s weird that you’re borrowing this from me, and also that you went back and found older pro B posts to comment ‘TLDR’ on. Ya’ll are so obvious. I’m sure you’ll run to Jeff now to complain, right?

[Anonymous]

^ pro JB obviously

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

This is just insane. Justin Baldoni has a long history of working in Hollywood and on sets and no one has ever accused him of sexual harassment or assault. Acting like Blake had to protect the cast from this predator is just ridiculous.

No one has come forward to support her claims. The best they could do was that toxic positivity article in the LA times which was a joke.

I think Justin is an odd guy, and I think he and Heath are a little too insulated with their religion and not realizing it can come across as socially, awkward and offensive to people. But throwing words around like, thankfully, he didn’t assault her.

Going through the timeline, he seemed way more wary of her, avoiding being alone with her when she invited him, and being very careful with his responses to her ridiculous texts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

Wayfarer partnered with Sony before Blake was cast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

Again, so obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

Again, so obvious.

TLDR

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

Again, so obvious.

TLDR

Look, Jeff may buy your nonsense for some reason I can’t comprehend, but the rest of us don’t. Your posts are obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

This is just insane. Justin Baldoni has a long history of working in Hollywood and on sets and no one has ever accused him of sexual harassment or assault. Acting like Blake had to protect the cast from this predator is just ridiculous.

No one has come forward to support her claims. The best they could do was that toxic positivity article in the LA times which was a joke.

I think Justin is an odd guy, and I think he and Heath are a little too insulated with their religion and not realizing it can come across as socially, awkward and offensive to people. But throwing words around like, thankfully, he didn’t assault her.

Going through the timeline, he seemed way more wary of her, avoiding being alone with her when she invited him, and being very careful with his responses to her ridiculous texts.

+1 BL supporters are trying to paint JB as Harvey Weinstein when there’s no evidence of that. But they want us to stop talking about kidpool, Olivia, khaleesi, never with teeth and ball buster. Those are distractions. The selective outrage is exhausting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

This is just insane. Justin Baldoni has a long history of working in Hollywood and on sets and no one has ever accused him of sexual harassment or assault. Acting like Blake had to protect the cast from this predator is just ridiculous.

No one has come forward to support her claims. The best they could do was that toxic positivity article in the LA times which was a joke.

I think Justin is an odd guy, and I think he and Heath are a little too insulated with their religion and not realizing it can come across as socially, awkward and offensive to people. But throwing words around like, thankfully, he didn’t assault her.

Going through the timeline, he seemed way more wary of her, avoiding being alone with her when she invited him, and being very careful with his responses to her ridiculous texts.

+1 BL supporters are trying to paint JB as Harvey Weinstein when there’s no evidence of that. But they want us to stop talking about kidpool, Olivia, khaleesi, never with teeth and ball buster. Those are distractions. The selective outrage is exhausting.

I think you need to catch up on your team’s talking points. Did you not catch your hero Candace Owens’ memo that Harvey Weinstein was innocent, FRAMED by those NTY reporters who didn’t deserve their Pulitzers like Baldoni reporter Twoeyaw - who do those ladies to ink they are? JB was also an innocent man framed so he and Weinstein really are the same. Hey let’s put them in a room together…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

This is just insane. Justin Baldoni has a long history of working in Hollywood and on sets and no one has ever accused him of sexual harassment or assault. Acting like Blake had to protect the cast from this predator is just ridiculous.

No one has come forward to support her claims. The best they could do was that toxic positivity article in the LA times which was a joke.

I think Justin is an odd guy, and I think he and Heath are a little too insulated with their religion and not realizing it can come across as socially, awkward and offensive to people. But throwing words around like, thankfully, he didn’t assault her.

Going through the timeline, he seemed way more wary of her, avoiding being alone with her when she invited him, and being very careful with his responses to her ridiculous texts.

+1 BL supporters are trying to paint JB as Harvey Weinstein when there’s no evidence of that. But they want us to stop talking about kidpool, Olivia, khaleesi, never with teeth and ball buster. Those are distractions. The selective outrage is exhausting.

I think you need to catch up on your team’s talking points. Did you not catch your hero Candace Owens’ memo that Harvey Weinstein was innocent, FRAMED by those NTY reporters who didn’t deserve their Pulitzers like Baldoni reporter Twoeyaw - who do those ladies to ink they are? JB was also an innocent man framed so he and Weinstein really are the same. Hey let’s put them in a room together…

So because Candace Owen’s (who I’ve never watched/listened to) thinks Harvey is innocent that means Justin is guilty?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

Again, so obvious.

TLDR

Look, Jeff may buy your nonsense for some reason I can’t comprehend, but the rest of us don’t. Your posts are obvious.

Agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

This is just insane. Justin Baldoni has a long history of working in Hollywood and on sets and no one has ever accused him of sexual harassment or assault. Acting like Blake had to protect the cast from this predator is just ridiculous.

No one has come forward to support her claims. The best they could do was that toxic positivity article in the LA times which was a joke.

I think Justin is an odd guy, and I think he and Heath are a little too insulated with their religion and not realizing it can come across as socially, awkward and offensive to people. But throwing words around like, thankfully, he didn’t assault her.

Going through the timeline, he seemed way more wary of her, avoiding being alone with her when she invited him, and being very careful with his responses to her ridiculous texts.

+1 BL supporters are trying to paint JB as Harvey Weinstein when there’s no evidence of that. But they want us to stop talking about kidpool, Olivia, khaleesi, never with teeth and ball buster. Those are distractions. The selective outrage is exhausting.

I think you need to catch up on your team’s talking points. Did you not catch your hero Candace Owens’ memo that Harvey Weinstein was innocent, FRAMED by those NTY reporters who didn’t deserve their Pulitzers like Baldoni reporter Twoeyaw - who do those ladies to ink they are? JB was also an innocent man framed so he and Weinstein really are the same. Hey let’s put them in a room together…

Again, obvious. And I’ve never listened to Candace Owen’s. Only heard about her on here. And yeah, logic fail

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Anonymous wrote:No wonder Blake then insisted on having an experienced producer from Sony on set for the second half of filming, just to have someone present who knew what they were doing.


This is what irks me, right here. Again, she is not the Director of the film. She is just a paid actor. But she insists on taking control of what she asserts is a poorly managed movie. So what if it is? Then remove your ass from the movie and have Baldoni hire someone else for the role. That’s how it works everywhere else. But this is the point exactly.

She was not going to quit. She just wanted things to go her way. As I e shared before, she wanted to control the vision and execution of the film, as she said was her goal on most film sets.

You do not get to tell your management team “no, I don’t like it that way. I see another vision for the project. Yours sucks.”


She wanted control. She went in wanting it, forced Baldoni to cave to it, and got her Khalessis, etc to back her efforts to control this film. His name was on the line, not hers. Yet, she just couldn’t help herself, even though his vision won over audiences more.

At the point she issued the 17 point list, no, she could not just quit and walk away. She'd already filmed a bunch of scenes, they'd cast the young version of her character based on looking like Blake and THAT actor had filmed scenes. Plus they were coming out of two major strikes that had put everyone involved in the movie out of work for months. Had she walked away at that point, very likely Wayfarer sues her for losses related to having to recast and shoot, plus it means firing Isabel Ferrer, plus would have only further delayed the film, maybe killed it, putting all those grips and assistants and craft services people who'd been out of work during the strike completely out of a job.

Also, she was not "just" an actor on the film. She is much more important to the movie than that. This has been discussed on the thread before but not for a while, so I'll repeat it: this movie likely doesn't get Sony signed on to distribute and market without a name as big as Blake's, and there's zero evidence that they had other actresses waiting in the wings to take the role. Blake's partnership with Ryan Reynolds is valuable to Sony, but it's also valuable to Wayfarer on this film. Lively's fashion and industry connections are valuable. Taylor is valuable. Ryan's marketing company is valuable. Her ability to get people like Hugh Jackman to pop up at their premiere is valuable. And this was true from the day they asked Lively to do the movie. She always had that leverage, which means she always had some measure of control over the movie, just as any actor with a big, recognizable name and lots of industry support, agreeing to take the lead role in a movie produced by a small studio, would have that leverage. This was not something she manufactured later to "take control." Lively always had this leverage. She just didn't use it early in the movie.

But when she saw what a bad job Baldoni was doing, when she became aware of his behavior on set and the problems it caused her and others, she decided to flex that muscle. And what is the first thing she does? She uses it to ask for a safer set. To request things like an experienced producer, and IC to make sure consent is followed, and commitments from Wayfarer about how they will portray Blake and Isabella's bodies and the sex scenes. Not a bigger trailer, a cut of the film proceeds, to replace Justin as director, etc. A safe set.

Sure, later she also uses that muscle to get a p.g.a. credit, editing control, put Taylor's song on the movie and replace the composer, etc. But she always had the power to do those things. They knew what they were doing when they hired Blake, they hired her specifically because of her name, face, and industry connections, and then they acted shocked and offended when she used those assets to get what she wanted.

They could have hired someone else. They didn't want to.

I agree with all of this and it’s a great, rationally laid out response to Team Baldoni’s attempted takedown. She was never “just” a paid actor here. She brought a whole list of positives to the film and that’s a big part of why Baldoni didn’t want her to walk.

I was also thinking that his behavior being semi borderline may have been a reason why she didn’t just walk. But on the other hand, if he had actually assaulted her, maybe she would have been able to get him thrown off the film. I think she was really smart to make the list as a condition to her returning (as PP said, for the purpose of protecting herself but ALSO other women on the film).

Again, so obvious.

TLDR

Look, Jeff may buy your nonsense for some reason I can’t comprehend, but the rest of us don’t. Your posts are obvious.

Agree

Your posts are so obvious.