Thread on children in the UK groomed for sex gone.

[Anonymous]

It’s very important people know this exists. Why the removal?

[jsteele]

The original post was prejudiced against the UK’s foreign population and the first responses were along the lines of “liberals support this”.

Keep in mind that pedophile rings in the UK are not limited to particular ethnic groups. Even Margaret Thatcher’s government was involved:

http://time.com/2974381/england-land-of-royals-tea-and-horrific-pedophilia-coverups/

Pedophia is a horrific crime, but exploiting it to further an anti-immigrant political agenda will not be tolerated here.

[Anonymous]

Not limited to, but the vast majority of perpetrators in the rings have been Muslim and many are British Pakistanis and others of South Asian origin. Pretending there isn't a racial aspect to this is what allows it to continue. There is clear evidence the police were hesitant to get involved or publicize the rings due to being concerned about being labeled racists. This allowed many more children to be hurt.

Was there also rings within the church and church run schools? - Yes, Mostly in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Almost all of the ones since the 90s have been British Asians. British Asian refers to people from India, Pakistan Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. The problem now is the South Asian rings.

Take a look at each of these links
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexual_abuses_perpetrated_by_groups#United_Kingdom

Aylesbury, Derby, Doublet, Halifax, Keighley, Newcastle, Oxford, Peterborough, Rochdale, Rotherham, Telford - South Asian Men - mostly British Asian men

BBC, Benedictine Congregation, Jersey, Kincora, North Wales, Northern Ireland - White men

Bristol - Somali

[Anonymous]

^^ No, you are wrong. Those most publicized by the Press in the 70s-90s were "white" and those most publicized in the Press now are focused on non-white immigrants, as Jeff says, with an anti-immigration agenda.

Unfortunately UK and European pedophila and its horrific circles have no racial boundaries, only immoral ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ No, you are wrong. Those most publicized by the Press in the 70s-90s were "white" and those most publicized in the Press now are focused on non-white immigrants, as Jeff says, with an anti-immigration agenda.

Unfortunately UK and European pedophila and its horrific circles have no racial boundaries, only immoral ones.

I think we agree. Those in the 70s to 90s were by white men, those being publicized now are by South Asians. That isn't an agenda. That is the facts of what is happening. Sweeping pedophilic child abuse rings under the carpet because you don't want to appear racist since all the arrests are now non white individuals just leads to more children being harmed. It was wrong to look away when it was white men and it is wrong to look away now when it is not white men. Deleting threads so people don't see that South Asians are running pedophile rings doesn't stop it from happening.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ No, you are wrong. Those most publicized by the Press in the 70s-90s were "white" and those most publicized in the Press now are focused on non-white immigrants, as Jeff says, with an anti-immigration agenda.

Unfortunately UK and European pedophila and its horrific circles have no racial boundaries, only immoral ones.

I think we agree. Those in the 70s to 90s were by white men, those being publicized now are by South Asians. That isn't an agenda. That is the facts of what is happening. Sweeping pedophilic child abuse rings under the carpet because you don't want to appear racist since all the arrests are now non white individuals just leads to more children being harmed. It was wrong to look away when it was white men and it is wrong to look away now when it is not white men. Deleting threads so people don't see that South Asians are running pedophile rings doesn't stop it from happening.

When pedophilia rings dominated by white men were being publicized, nobody sought to use that fact to cast aspersions on all white men in the UK. Yet the thread that I removed was attacking all immigrants (or at least those of certain ethnic or religious groups). If you can’t discuss this topic without engaging in that sort of political agenda, then you can’t discuss this topic here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ No, you are wrong. Those most publicized by the Press in the 70s-90s were "white" and those most publicized in the Press now are focused on non-white immigrants, as Jeff says, with an anti-immigration agenda.

Unfortunately UK and European pedophila and its horrific circles have no racial boundaries, only immoral ones.

I think we agree. Those in the 70s to 90s were by white men, those being publicized now are by South Asians. That isn't an agenda. That is the facts of what is happening. Sweeping pedophilic child abuse rings under the carpet because you don't want to appear racist since all the arrests are now non white individuals just leads to more children being harmed. It was wrong to look away when it was white men and it is wrong to look away now when it is not white men. Deleting threads so people don't see that South Asians are running pedophile rings doesn't stop it from happening.

No. We most certainly do not. See what Jeff said.

Ditto.

[Anonymous]

Yet there is this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

I would love to see arrests of those that seek to hide these facts as accessories

The focus should be on the children and ridding the community of those that seek to hurt them, regardless of race or religion.

The ‘but they do it too’ argument is morally repugnant

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Yet there is this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

I would love to see arrests of those that seek to hide these facts as accessories

The focus should be on the children and ridding the community of those that seek to hurt them, regardless of race or religion.

The ‘but they do it too’ argument is morally repugnant

I agree that the focus should be on the children. Sadly, the posts that I have seen have focused on the ethnicity and religion of the accused and engaged in guilt by association against entire communities.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yet there is this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

I would love to see arrests of those that seek to hide these facts as accessories

The focus should be on the children and ridding the community of those that seek to hurt them, regardless of race or religion.

The ‘but they do it too’ argument is morally repugnant

I agree that the focus should be on the children. Sadly, the posts that I have seen have focused on the ethnicity and religion of the accused and engaged in guilt by association against entire communities.

I do not know any caucasian police departments that tolerates sex trafficking simply because the perpetrators are caucasians. If you do, please link to the relevant article/study similar to the above.

There is no disguising the facts in the article I linked to, and no amount of pretending that the problem does not exist within the Muslim community will make it so. Children (and women) are hurt when groups of people scream racism and authorities stick their heads in the sand to avoid it. We cannot focus on the children when a segment of the population refuses to stop the perpetrators of token races/religions. It's a shame you would rather worry about guilt by association rather than stopping the actual crimes regardless of race/religion. In fact, I feel you are aiding and abetting those perpetrators.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yet there is this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

I would love to see arrests of those that seek to hide these facts as accessories

The focus should be on the children and ridding the community of those that seek to hurt them, regardless of race or religion.

The ‘but they do it too’ argument is morally repugnant

I agree that the focus should be on the children. Sadly, the posts that I have seen have focused on the ethnicity and religion of the accused and engaged in guilt by association against entire communities.

I do not know any caucasian police departments that tolerates sex trafficking simply because the perpetrators are caucasians. If you do, please link to the relevant article/study similar to the above.

There is no disguising the facts in the article I linked to, and no amount of pretending that the problem does not exist within the Muslim community will make it so. Children (and women) are hurt when groups of people scream racism and authorities stick their heads in the sand to avoid it. We cannot focus on the children when a segment of the population refuses to stop the perpetrators of token races/religions. It's a shame you would rather worry about guilt by association rather than stopping the actual crimes regardless of race/religion. In fact, I feel you are aiding and abetting those perpetrators.

I feel that you are so blinded by bigotry that the children are, at best, only a secondary concern of yours. The authorities stuck their heads in the sand when groups of white men were behind pedophile rings. Was that because they were afraid of being called racists? Obviously not. So, why do you immediately accept that allegation now? The UK authorities have demonstrated a pattern of sticking their heads in the sand regardless of the ethnicity of perpetrators. Maybe you should show some concern about that and devote less energy to accusing me of aiding pedophiles, which is an allegation that you should be ashamed to make. That just makes you appear a bit loony.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ No, you are wrong. Those most publicized by the Press in the 70s-90s were "white" and those most publicized in the Press now are focused on non-white immigrants, as Jeff says, with an anti-immigration agenda.

Unfortunately UK and European pedophila and its horrific circles have no racial boundaries, only immoral ones.

I think we agree. Those in the 70s to 90s were by white men, those being publicized now are by South Asians. That isn't an agenda. That is the facts of what is happening. Sweeping pedophilic child abuse rings under the carpet because you don't want to appear racist since all the arrests are now non white individuals just leads to more children being harmed. It was wrong to look away when it was white men and it is wrong to look away now when it is not white men. Deleting threads so people don't see that South Asians are running pedophile rings doesn't stop it from happening.

When pedophilia rings dominated by white men were being publicized, nobody sought to use that fact to cast aspersions on all white men in the UK. Yet the thread that I removed was attacking all immigrants (or at least those of certain ethnic or religious groups). If you can’t discuss this topic without engaging in that sort of political agenda, then you can’t discuss this topic here.

Okay, I didn't see the thread in question. I agree this isn't an anti-immigration issue.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yet there is this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/09/grooming-gangs-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

I would love to see arrests of those that seek to hide these facts as accessories

The focus should be on the children and ridding the community of those that seek to hurt them, regardless of race or religion.

The ‘but they do it too’ argument is morally repugnant

I agree that the focus should be on the children. Sadly, the posts that I have seen have focused on the ethnicity and religion of the accused and engaged in guilt by association against entire communities.

I do not know any caucasian police departments that tolerates sex trafficking simply because the perpetrators are caucasians. If you do, please link to the relevant article/study similar to the above.

There is no disguising the facts in the article I linked to, and no amount of pretending that the problem does not exist within the Muslim community will make it so. Children (and women) are hurt when groups of people scream racism and authorities stick their heads in the sand to avoid it. We cannot focus on the children when a segment of the population refuses to stop the perpetrators of token races/religions. It's a shame you would rather worry about guilt by association rather than stopping the actual crimes regardless of race/religion. In fact, I feel you are aiding and abetting those perpetrators.

I feel that you are so blinded by bigotry that the children are, at best, only a secondary concern of yours. The authorities stuck their heads in the sand when groups of white men were behind pedophile rings. Was that because they were afraid of being called racists? Obviously not. So, why do you immediately accept that allegation now? The UK authorities have demonstrated a pattern of sticking their heads in the sand regardless of the ethnicity of perpetrators. Maybe you should show some concern about that and devote less energy to accusing me of aiding pedophiles, which is an allegation that you should be ashamed to make. That just makes you appear a bit loony.

I'm disturbed at your propensity to label individuals bigots. The frequency which which you do so tells me it is probably a knee-jerk reaction.

What you feel I am concerned about is secondary to what I know I am concerned about. This isn't "Being John Malcovich" Is there an article you can link me with that shows me that the authorities have stuck their heads in the sand regarding groups of white men who are sex trafficking? I do agree that the authorities have stuck their heads in the sand about sex trafficking in general, because many of those victims are considered adults by law.

The problem is, I am not trying to deny white men are involved in sex trafficking. What I'm concerned about is you seem to want to deny that South Asian and Middle-Eastern men are involved too, because it's racist to 'go there'. The constant accusations of racism grow tired and are rendered meaningless, which is a real shame as the word should carry weight.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
I'm disturbed at your propensity to label individuals bigots. The frequency which which you do so tells me it is probably a knee-jerk reaction.

I feel pretty much the same about your knee-jerk reaction to accuse others of aiding pedophiles. It is obviously bigoted to tarnish an entire religious or ethnic group due to the acts of a few individuals. On the other hand, I have done nothing to provide aid to pedophiles and you are very lucky that I still allow you to post after such an allegation.

Anonymous wrote:
What you feel I am concerned about is secondary to what I know I am concerned about. This isn't "Being John Malcovich" Is there an article you can link me with that shows me that the authorities have stuck their heads in the sand regarding groups of white men who are sex trafficking? I do agree that the authorities have stuck their heads in the sand about sex trafficking in general, because many of those victims are considered adults by law.

Yes, I linked to such an article in my very first post of this thread:

http://time.com/2974381/england-land-of-royals-tea-and-horrific-pedophilia-coverups/

This describes much more than simply sticking heads in sand. Rather, the authorities actively covered it up.

Anonymous wrote:
The problem is, I am not trying to deny white men are involved in sex trafficking. What I'm concerned about is you seem to want to deny that South Asian and Middle-Eastern men are involved too, because it's racist to 'go there'. The constant accusations of racism grow tired and are rendered meaningless, which is a real shame as the word should carry weight.

I am not denying that South Asian and Middle Eastern men are involved. I am arguing that the actions of a small number of individuals does not reflect on the entire community. A pedophile ring of immigrants does not justify suspicion of all immigrants. This has been my single argument this entire thread. Multiple pedophile rings consisting of white men has not led anyone to claim that the UK's culture was under attack by white men. Yet, the thread that I removed did exactly that in the case of a pedophile ring led by members of a specific ethnic group.

Obviously I am not opposed to discussion of pedophile rings. I am not against such discussion even when the rings are largely made up of members of a specific ethnic or religious groups. I am against discussions of pedophile rings when such discussions are simply used to pursue anti-immigrant or bigoted political agendas. I'm sorry that you appear to be unable to set your political agenda aside even to discuss issues as important as pedophilia.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm disturbed at your propensity to label individuals bigots. The frequency which which you do so tells me it is probably a knee-jerk reaction.

I feel pretty much the same about your knee-jerk reaction to accuse others of aiding pedophiles. It is obviously bigoted to tarnish an entire religious or ethnic group due to the acts of a few individuals. On the other hand, I have done nothing to provide aid to pedophiles and you are very lucky that I still allow you to post after such an allegation.

Anonymous wrote:
What you feel I am concerned about is secondary to what I know I am concerned about. This isn't "Being John Malcovich" Is there an article you can link me with that shows me that the authorities have stuck their heads in the sand regarding groups of white men who are sex trafficking? I do agree that the authorities have stuck their heads in the sand about sex trafficking in general, because many of those victims are considered adults by law.

Yes, I linked to such an article in my very first post of this thread:

http://time.com/2974381/england-land-of-royals-tea-and-horrific-pedophilia-coverups/

This describes much more than simply sticking heads in sand. Rather, the authorities actively covered it up.

Anonymous wrote:
The problem is, I am not trying to deny white men are involved in sex trafficking. What I'm concerned about is you seem to want to deny that South Asian and Middle-Eastern men are involved too, because it's racist to 'go there'. The constant accusations of racism grow tired and are rendered meaningless, which is a real shame as the word should carry weight.

I am not denying that South Asian and Middle Eastern men are involved. I am arguing that the actions of a small number of individuals does not reflect on the entire community. A pedophile ring of immigrants does not justify suspicion of all immigrants. This has been my single argument this entire thread. Multiple pedophile rings consisting of white men has not led anyone to claim that the UK's culture was under attack by white men. Yet, the thread that I removed did exactly that in the case of a pedophile ring led by members of a specific ethnic group.

Obviously I am not opposed to discussion of pedophile rings. I am not against such discussion even when the rings are largely made up of members of a specific ethnic or religious groups. I am against discussions of pedophile rings when such discussions are simply used to pursue anti-immigrant or bigoted political agendas. I'm sorry that you appear to be unable to set your political agenda aside even to discuss issues as important as pedophilia.

The real answer lies within the governmental policies and laws of the countries that the perpetrators originally came from. Since a lot of Islamic countries allow child marriage, it stands to reason that transplants from those countries would carry their culture with them. If you were raised to think pedophilia is fine and women as less than, then moving to, say, the UK, will not change that viewpoint. I don't see how that is a bigoted position. In fact, the charity I support often busts white businessmen in LA for pedophila, as folks south of the border and north of the border arrange sex parties. I hope those white men go down hard.

I do believe you will deny that Islam has an issue with pedophilia, citing white people do it too as the reason. I'm an equal opportunity condemner.