Biles out

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Anonymous wrote:This is so hilarious. All these commenters who will never get within spitting distance of participating in a sport on an international level saying that the GOAT did the wrong thing.

Yup, most all these people criticizing Biles because she had a day in which she was afraid to compete and break her neck can barely touch their toes.

It's not snarky when you repeat other people's tweets.

People are repeating that tweet because it's true. So many couch potatoes criticizing an athlete performing at a level they could never comprehend.

No sh*t Sherlock. That’s the whole reason she gets paid millions of dollars and is enormously celebrated across the globe. Why do people think this is such an amazing point?

Because people are saying she took herself out of the competition because she's lazy and didn't feel like competing that day, when the reality is that if she did compete there's a chance she could have hurt herself badly.

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.

This isn't what I said. I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials. I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute? I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected. She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.

They couldn’t sub in Jade at the last minute- would have had to have been 24hrs in advance if the competition. I can’t remember where but had read that Simone had looked ok in an earlier training that day.

In any event, no matter what Biles had done- stuck it out or pulled out earlier, the US girls still likely would not have won gold. The math was in favor of the Russians whether Biles had continued to compete or Jade had been used in a couple events. And although I was pulling for the US team I couldn’t help but be happy for the Russian team- nice gymnastics and you could tell how much it meant to them.

I don’t think that’s right, Biles vault hurt them, and they are very deep at vault. With a good vault score and enough notice to pick the best girls for the other events, gold was still within reach. Carey had an individual spot that could not be transferred to another girl and was heavily discouraged from seeking a team slot for that reason.

Not questioning whether she should have withdrawn, just wish she had decided sooner, she has been struggling since the trials.

Yeah but a struggling Biles still finished 1st in qualifications over pretty solid Suni and Jade. 3.5 points is a LOT to make up. And everyone would have just found some thing else to criticize/complain about anyway.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/28/sports/olympics/biles-gymnastics-injuries.html?pageType=LegacyCollection&collectionName=toyko-olympic-gymnastics&label=toyko-olympic-gymnastics&module=hub_Band®ion=inline&template=storyline_band_recirc

After Biles withdrew, some critics compared her unfavorably to Kerri Strug, who — the popular narrative goes — secured the team gold medal for the United States at the 1996 Olympics by vaulting on an injured ankle. The suggestion was that Biles ought to have done the same for the team.

But Strug performed that vault under pressure from her coach, it injured her ankle further, and the U.S. would have won without it. In an interview with The Los Angeles Times shortly afterward, she said that if she had known her vault wasn’t necessary, she wouldn’t have done it.

“Everybody was yelling at me, ‘Come on, you can do it!’” she said. “But I’m out there saying to myself: ‘My leg, my leg. You don’t understand. Something’s really wrong here.’”

Strug, who never competed again, tweeted a message of support for Biles on Tuesday.

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After Biles withdrew, some critics compared her unfavorably to Kerri Strug, who — the popular narrative goes — secured the team gold medal for the United States at the 1996 Olympics by vaulting on an injured ankle. The suggestion was that Biles ought to have done the same for the team.

But Strug performed that vault under pressure from her coach, it injured her ankle further, and the U.S. would have won without it. In an interview with The Los Angeles Times shortly afterward, she said that if she had known her vault wasn’t necessary, she wouldn’t have done it.

“Everybody was yelling at me, ‘Come on, you can do it!’” she said. “But I’m out there saying to myself: ‘My leg, my leg. You don’t understand. Something’s really wrong here.’”

Strug, who never competed again, tweeted a message of support for Biles on Tuesday.

+1 If another country had forced their athlete to compete injured the way Strug was forced, we'd be sanctimoniously criticizing them for abusing a teenager

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OMG did you all read the report on how Nassar isn’t paying the fines he owes but is spending money on personal things while in prison. The gymnasts just can’t get away from news about how nobody is holding Nassar accountable.

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Anonymous wrote:She could be killed or permanently paralyzed if one part of her body - her mind - isn't cooperating. It is no different than an ankle or arm injury.

We should admire people who make these hard decisions and set an example to the rest of us. She can and should live her life on her terms, not as a servant to what everyone else wants from her.

Oy vey please cite recent examples of a gymnast being "killed or paralyzed" in the Olympics. I can't recall anything in the last 40 plus years.

It's stupid to say that only injuries that occur in the Olympics competition events matter.
2019- Melanie Coleman died falling off the uneven bars
1988-Julissa Gomez, age 15, was paralyzed smashing her head against the vault and then died 3 years later at the age of 18
1989-Adriana Duffy, paralyzed from the waist down after landing on her neck in a vault
1988-Sang Lan--also paralyzed from the waist down after a vault
1980- Elena Mukhina-paralyzed at age 15 and then died just 20 years later

Simone Biles does more dangerous gymnastics than all of these women. It's good that she withdrew when her head isn't in the game.

Just bumping this up, since some people are lying and saying that no one gets hurt in gymnastics competitions.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.

This isn't what I said. I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials. I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute? I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected. She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.

They couldn’t sub in Jade at the last minute- would have had to have been 24hrs in advance if the competition. I can’t remember where but had read that Simone had looked ok in an earlier training that day.

In any event, no matter what Biles had done- stuck it out or pulled out earlier, the US girls still likely would not have won gold. The math was in favor of the Russians whether Biles had continued to compete or Jade had been used in a couple events. And although I was pulling for the US team I couldn’t help but be happy for the Russian team- nice gymnastics and you could tell how much it meant to them.

I don’t think that’s right, Biles vault hurt them, and they are very deep at vault. With a good vault score and enough notice to pick the best girls for the other events, gold was still within reach. Carey had an individual spot that could not be transferred to another girl and was heavily discouraged from seeking a team slot for that reason.

Not questioning whether she should have withdrawn, just wish she had decided sooner, she has been struggling since the trials.

Yeah but a struggling Biles still finished 1st in qualifications over pretty solid Suni and Jade. 3.5 points is a LOT to make up. And everyone would have just found some thing else to criticize/complain about anyway.

In qualifiers, Carey scored 15.166 in the vault, 14.133 in the uneven bars, 12.866 in the balance beam and 14.100 on the floor.

Simone got a 13.766 on vault in the team competition. Hypothetically, Jade's vault score from qualifiers would have made up 1.4 points. On uneven bars, McCallum got a 13.700, so Carey's score from qualifiers would haveade up another 0.4 points. On floor, Chile's got an 11.7, so if you substitute Carey's qualifiers score you make up another 2.4 points. That's 4.3 points total. Even with some margin, having Carey replace Simone could have gotten the US team the gold. It definitely wasn't mathematically impossible.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.

This isn't what I said. I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials. I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute? I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected. She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.

They couldn’t sub in Jade at the last minute- would have had to have been 24hrs in advance if the competition. I can’t remember where but had read that Simone had looked ok in an earlier training that day.

In any event, no matter what Biles had done- stuck it out or pulled out earlier, the US girls still likely would not have won gold. The math was in favor of the Russians whether Biles had continued to compete or Jade had been used in a couple events. And although I was pulling for the US team I couldn’t help but be happy for the Russian team- nice gymnastics and you could tell how much it meant to them.

I don’t think that’s right, Biles vault hurt them, and they are very deep at vault. With a good vault score and enough notice to pick the best girls for the other events, gold was still within reach. Carey had an individual spot that could not be transferred to another girl and was heavily discouraged from seeking a team slot for that reason.

Not questioning whether she should have withdrawn, just wish she had decided sooner, she has been struggling since the trials.

Yeah but a struggling Biles still finished 1st in qualifications over pretty solid Suni and Jade. 3.5 points is a LOT to make up. And everyone would have just found some thing else to criticize/complain about anyway.

In qualifiers, Carey scored 15.166 in the vault, 14.133 in the uneven bars, 12.866 in the balance beam and 14.100 on the floor.

Simone got a 13.766 on vault in the team competition. Hypothetically, Jade's vault score from qualifiers would have made up 1.4 points. On uneven bars, McCallum got a 13.700, so Carey's score from qualifiers would haveade up another 0.4 points. On floor, Chile's got an 11.7, so if you substitute Carey's qualifiers score you make up another 2.4 points. That's 4.3 points total. Even with some margin, having Carey replace Simone could have gotten the US team the gold. It definitely wasn't mathematically impossible.

Sorry, that's 4.2 points. Typing on my phone.

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Anonymous wrote:She could be killed or permanently paralyzed if one part of her body - her mind - isn't cooperating. It is no different than an ankle or arm injury.

We should admire people who make these hard decisions and set an example to the rest of us. She can and should live her life on her terms, not as a servant to what everyone else wants from her.

Oy vey please cite recent examples of a gymnast being "killed or paralyzed" in the Olympics. I can't recall anything in the last 40 plus years.

It's stupid to say that only injuries that occur in the Olympics competition events matter.
2019- Melanie Coleman died falling off the uneven bars
1988-Julissa Gomez, age 15, was paralyzed smashing her head against the vault and then died 3 years later at the age of 18
1989-Adriana Duffy, paralyzed from the waist down after landing on her neck in a vault
1988-Sang Lan--also paralyzed from the waist down after a vault
1980- Elena Mukhina-paralyzed at age 15 and then died just 20 years later

Simone Biles does more dangerous gymnastics than all of these women. It's good that she withdrew when her head isn't in the game.

Just bumping this up, since some people are lying and saying that no one gets hurt in gymnastics competitions.

Agree it's very dangerous, though following the accidents on vault that are described here, they changed from the vaulting horse to the table (which allows for better hand placement) and also required a safety collar be around the vault (to soften crashes) for Yurchenko style vaults.

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PP sorry, I meant the safety collar be around the springboard to soften any crashes or misses with the roundoffs.

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Only read first page of this thread- I applaud a young black Woman making a difficult choice to prioritize self care! Go Biles!

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.

This isn't what I said. I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials. I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute? I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected. She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.

They couldn’t sub in Jade at the last minute- would have had to have been 24hrs in advance if the competition. I can’t remember where but had read that Simone had looked ok in an earlier training that day.

In any event, no matter what Biles had done- stuck it out or pulled out earlier, the US girls still likely would not have won gold. The math was in favor of the Russians whether Biles had continued to compete or Jade had been used in a couple events. And although I was pulling for the US team I couldn’t help but be happy for the Russian team- nice gymnastics and you could tell how much it meant to them.

I don’t think that’s right, Biles vault hurt them, and they are very deep at vault. With a good vault score and enough notice to pick the best girls for the other events, gold was still within reach. Carey had an individual spot that could not be transferred to another girl and was heavily discouraged from seeking a team slot for that reason.

Not questioning whether she should have withdrawn, just wish she had decided sooner, she has been struggling since the trials.

Yeah but a struggling Biles still finished 1st in qualifications over pretty solid Suni and Jade. 3.5 points is a LOT to make up. And everyone would have just found some thing else to criticize/complain about anyway.

In qualifiers, Carey scored 15.166 in the vault, 14.133 in the uneven bars, 12.866 in the balance beam and 14.100 on the floor.

Simone got a 13.766 on vault in the team competition. Hypothetically, Jade's vault score from qualifiers would have made up 1.4 points. On uneven bars, McCallum got a 13.700, so Carey's score from qualifiers would haveade up another 0.4 points. On floor, Chile's got an 11.7, so if you substitute Carey's qualifiers score you make up another 2.4 points. That's 4.3 points total. Even with some margin, having Carey replace Simone could have gotten the US team the gold. It definitely wasn't mathematically impossible.

Sorry, that's 4.2 points. Typing on my phone.

If Simone would have withdrawn earlier, the replacement would have come from the replacement athletes (Kayla DiCello or Emma M as Kara tested positive for Covid and Leanne had to quarantine). Jade was not in that pool since her position was not on the “team roster”.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.

This isn't what I said. I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials. I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute? I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected. She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.

They couldn’t sub in Jade at the last minute- would have had to have been 24hrs in advance if the competition. I can’t remember where but had read that Simone had looked ok in an earlier training that day.

In any event, no matter what Biles had done- stuck it out or pulled out earlier, the US girls still likely would not have won gold. The math was in favor of the Russians whether Biles had continued to compete or Jade had been used in a couple events. And although I was pulling for the US team I couldn’t help but be happy for the Russian team- nice gymnastics and you could tell how much it meant to them.

I don’t think that’s right, Biles vault hurt them, and they are very deep at vault. With a good vault score and enough notice to pick the best girls for the other events, gold was still within reach. Carey had an individual spot that could not be transferred to another girl and was heavily discouraged from seeking a team slot for that reason.

Not questioning whether she should have withdrawn, just wish she had decided sooner, she has been struggling since the trials.

Yeah but a struggling Biles still finished 1st in qualifications over pretty solid Suni and Jade. 3.5 points is a LOT to make up. And everyone would have just found some thing else to criticize/complain about anyway.

In qualifiers, Carey scored 15.166 in the vault, 14.133 in the uneven bars, 12.866 in the balance beam and 14.100 on the floor.

Simone got a 13.766 on vault in the team competition. Hypothetically, Jade's vault score from qualifiers would have made up 1.4 points. On uneven bars, McCallum got a 13.700, so Carey's score from qualifiers would haveade up another 0.4 points. On floor, Chile's got an 11.7, so if you substitute Carey's qualifiers score you make up another 2.4 points. That's 4.3 points total. Even with some margin, having Carey replace Simone could have gotten the US team the gold. It definitely wasn't mathematically impossible.

Sorry, that's 4.2 points. Typing on my phone.

If Simone would have withdrawn earlier, the replacement would have come from the replacement athletes (Kayla DiCello or Emma M as Kara tested positive for Covid and Leanne had to quarantine). Jade was not in that pool since her position was not on the “team roster”.

Pretty sure McKayla Skinner was also available as an alternate, and vault is her strongest apparatus.

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+1

Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.

This isn't what I said. I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials. I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute? I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected. She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.

They couldn’t sub in Jade at the last minute- would have had to have been 24hrs in advance if the competition. I can’t remember where but had read that Simone had looked ok in an earlier training that day.

In any event, no matter what Biles had done- stuck it out or pulled out earlier, the US girls still likely would not have won gold. The math was in favor of the Russians whether Biles had continued to compete or Jade had been used in a couple events. And although I was pulling for the US team I couldn’t help but be happy for the Russian team- nice gymnastics and you could tell how much it meant to them.

I don’t think that’s right, Biles vault hurt them, and they are very deep at vault. With a good vault score and enough notice to pick the best girls for the other events, gold was still within reach. Carey had an individual spot that could not be transferred to another girl and was heavily discouraged from seeking a team slot for that reason.

Not questioning whether she should have withdrawn, just wish she had decided sooner, she has been struggling since the trials.

Yeah but a struggling Biles still finished 1st in qualifications over pretty solid Suni and Jade. 3.5 points is a LOT to make up. And everyone would have just found some thing else to criticize/complain about anyway.

In qualifiers, Carey scored 15.166 in the vault, 14.133 in the uneven bars, 12.866 in the balance beam and 14.100 on the floor.

Simone got a 13.766 on vault in the team competition. Hypothetically, Jade's vault score from qualifiers would have made up 1.4 points. On uneven bars, McCallum got a 13.700, so Carey's score from qualifiers would haveade up another 0.4 points. On floor, Chile's got an 11.7, so if you substitute Carey's qualifiers score you make up another 2.4 points. That's 4.3 points total. Even with some margin, having Carey replace Simone could have gotten the US team the gold. It definitely wasn't mathematically impossible.

Sorry, that's 4.2 points. Typing on my phone.

If Simone would have withdrawn earlier, the replacement would have come from the replacement athletes (Kayla DiCello or Emma M as Kara tested positive for Covid and Leanne had to quarantine). Jade was not in that pool since her position was not on the “team roster”.

Pretty sure McKayla Skinner was also available as an alternate, and vault is her strongest apparatus.

Same story, she was in an individual spot, which I don’t believe could be used to fill an open team spot.

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I think she may save thousands of lives with her honesty and determination to protect her mental health. I bet there are teenagers, hell, maybe even adults who may now feel less ashamed to admit to mental struggles and maybe more likely to seek help. I frankly see it as a heroic, world changing act. She’s a bigger hero now than she was before.