Soooo, how is high-density looking to everyone now?

[Anonymous]

Adding density now is a fool’s errand. No one wants to live amidst urban density in a pandemic. Breeding ground for disease. It would vastly drive down the value of DC real estate, which now lies is in its lower density, relative to other cities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Adding density now is a fool’s errand. No one wants to live amidst urban density in a pandemic. Breeding ground for disease. It would vastly drive down the value of DC real estate, which now lies is in its lower density, relative to other cities.

You can't possible believe this. I live in a single family home in DC and will probably buy a condo in the next few years. Go away. Some people just like the city. DC real estate is still doing quite well.

[Anonymous]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/travel-from-new-york-city-seeded-wave-of-us-outbreaks/ar-BB13J7Yx

Sure... Tell us again how densely populated areas are not impacting the entire country.

Who said it yesterday, look no further than Teton WY for examples about how urban areas are seeded by NY and LA elites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adding density now is a fool’s errand. No one wants to live amidst urban density in a pandemic. Breeding ground for disease. It would vastly drive down the value of DC real estate, which now lies is in its lower density, relative to other cities.

You can't possible believe this. I live in a single family home in DC and will probably buy a condo in the next few years. Go away. Some people just like the city. DC real estate is still doing quite well.

It’s doing well NOW because it is lower density. That’s the point. “In the next few years” is, by definition, in the future. But there will probably unfortunately be other pandemics in the future. Sad reality.

[Anonymous]

Density kills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Density kills.

OMG go do a puzzle or something constructive instead of pushing this non-sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Density kills.

OMG go do a puzzle or something constructive instead of pushing this non-sense.

Here’s What D.C.’s Neighborhood-Level Coronavirus Numbers Do—And Don’t—Tell Us

“We see these cases in high-density mixed-use corridors where the average number of individuals per household is higher than the city average,” she said. Nesbitt also said the “typical occupations in those neighborhoods are more related to the essential work that continues to happen,” such as construction and healthcare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Density kills.

OMG go do a puzzle or something constructive instead of pushing this non-sense.

Here’s What D.C.’s Neighborhood-Level Coronavirus Numbers Do—And Don’t—Tell Us

“We see these cases in high-density mixed-use corridors where the average number of individuals per household is higher than the city average,” she said. Nesbitt also said the “typical occupations in those neighborhoods are more related to the essential work that continues to happen,” such as construction and healthcare.

Small spaces, high occupancy,,,,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Density kills.

OMG go do a puzzle or something constructive instead of pushing this non-sense.

Here’s What D.C.’s Neighborhood-Level Coronavirus Numbers Do—And Don’t—Tell Us

“We see these cases in high-density mixed-use corridors where the average number of individuals per household is higher than the city average,” she said. Nesbitt also said the “typical occupations in those neighborhoods are more related to the essential work that continues to happen,” such as construction and healthcare.

Small spaces, high occupancy,,,,

Yup, that is what density is. More small multi family units means more people living in smaller spaces with less green space for all.

Look, I love the grand old DC condo's in Ward 3. The units on Connecticut and Cathedral are pretty spectacular. I even lived in some of them for quite a while. But you really have to be a fool to not acknowledge that further increasing density now is a political pipe dream.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Density kills.

OMG go do a puzzle or something constructive instead of pushing this non-sense.

Here’s What D.C.’s Neighborhood-Level Coronavirus Numbers Do—And Don’t—Tell Us

“We see these cases in high-density mixed-use corridors where the average number of individuals per household is higher than the city average,” she said. Nesbitt also said the “typical occupations in those neighborhoods are more related to the essential work that continues to happen,” such as construction and healthcare.

Small spaces, high occupancy,,,,

Yup, that is what density is. More small multi family units means more people living in smaller spaces with less green space for all.

Look, I love the grand old DC condo's in Ward 3. The units on Connecticut and Cathedral are pretty spectacular. I even lived in some of them for quite a while. But you really have to be a fool to not acknowledge that further increasing density now is a political pipe dream.

And it’s important to note an important difference between the grand old buildings on Connecticut Ave and what is proposed in Bowser’s comprehensive plan changes. First of all, Connecticut Ave was one of the first planned streets in the country, with apartment buildings set back from the street and surrounded by lawns and gardens, alternating with modest commercial areas to serve the residential areas along and near the avenue. Woodley Park, Cleveland Park, the low scale shopping area near Politics & Prose and Chevy Chase are examples of this pattern. The Kennedy Warren, the Broadmoor, Cathedral Mansions Sedgwick Gardens are some iconic examples are the apartments in the garden settings. (They are density of course.) Bowser changes this planned fabric by - and this is real head-scratcher - encouraging in the comp plan the infill development and bulldozing of the Broadmoor lawns and similar planned open space to build more tall buildings with no set back from the Avenue to create a more “vibrant” urban streetscape.

[Anonymous]

And it’s important to note an important difference between the grand old buildings on Connecticut Ave and what is proposed in Bowser’s comprehensive plan changes. First of all, Connecticut Ave was one of the first planned streets in the country, with apartment buildings set back from the street and surrounded by lawns and gardens, alternating with modest commercial areas to serve the residential areas along and near the avenue. Woodley Park, Cleveland Park, the low scale shopping area near Politics & Prose and Chevy Chase are examples of this pattern. The Kennedy Warren, the Broadmoor, Cathedral Mansions Sedgwick Gardens are some iconic examples are the apartments in the garden settings. (They are density of course.) Bowser changes this planned fabric by - and this is real head-scratcher - encouraging in the comp plan the infill development and bulldozing of the Broadmoor lawns and similar planned open space to build more tall buildings with no set back from the Avenue to create a more “vibrant” urban streetscape.

I lived in both the Kennedy Warren and the Westchester. Beautiful condominiums. Very dense. Lots of setback. Lots of green space. If you are going to sprinkle a few more condos in DC, this is the model that you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And it’s important to note an important difference between the grand old buildings on Connecticut Ave and what is proposed in Bowser’s comprehensive plan changes. First of all, Connecticut Ave was one of the first planned streets in the country, with apartment buildings set back from the street and surrounded by lawns and gardens, alternating with modest commercial areas to serve the residential areas along and near the avenue. Woodley Park, Cleveland Park, the low scale shopping area near Politics & Prose and Chevy Chase are examples of this pattern. The Kennedy Warren, the Broadmoor, Cathedral Mansions Sedgwick Gardens are some iconic examples are the apartments in the garden settings. (They are density of course.) Bowser changes this planned fabric by - and this is real head-scratcher - encouraging in the comp plan the infill development and bulldozing of the Broadmoor lawns and similar planned open space to build more tall buildings with no set back from the Avenue to create a more “vibrant” urban streetscape.

I lived in both the Kennedy Warren and the Westchester. Beautiful condominiums. Very dense. Lots of setback. Lots of green space. If you are going to sprinkle a few more condos in DC, this is the model that you want.

I don't think the Westchester is that dense, compared to the new buildings where each unit is ~400 SQ FT for a studio and ~800 SQ Ft for a 2BR; by that measure, the Westchester is like mini-mansions on top of one another! I wish more buildings were like that, with lots of green space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And it’s important to note an important difference between the grand old buildings on Connecticut Ave and what is proposed in Bowser’s comprehensive plan changes. First of all, Connecticut Ave was one of the first planned streets in the country, with apartment buildings set back from the street and surrounded by lawns and gardens, alternating with modest commercial areas to serve the residential areas along and near the avenue. Woodley Park, Cleveland Park, the low scale shopping area near Politics & Prose and Chevy Chase are examples of this pattern. The Kennedy Warren, the Broadmoor, Cathedral Mansions Sedgwick Gardens are some iconic examples are the apartments in the garden settings. (They are density of course.) Bowser changes this planned fabric by - and this is real head-scratcher - encouraging in the comp plan the infill development and bulldozing of the Broadmoor lawns and similar planned open space to build more tall buildings with no set back from the Avenue to create a more “vibrant” urban streetscape.

I lived in both the Kennedy Warren and the Westchester. Beautiful condominiums. Very dense. Lots of setback. Lots of green space. If you are going to sprinkle a few more condos in DC, this is the model that you want.

I don't think the Westchester is that dense, compared to the new buildings where each unit is ~400 SQ FT for a studio and ~800 SQ Ft for a 2BR; by that measure, the Westchester is like mini-mansions on top of one another! I wish more buildings were like that, with lots of green space.

I called it dense because it is more dense than my SFH block now that the Density Bros are railing against (Westchester has 556 units). I loved the Westchester and believe me the owners have seen times change there. The Westchester used to support its own restaurant, barber shop, salon, market etc. It still has most of those amenities (I believe the restaurant finally closed unfortunately). Anyway, back to unit size, they came in all flavors. Ours was on the smaller side but really beautiful and well appointed. Some of the units in Cathedral Commons near Giant are the same sizes.

Density Bros would call Westchester a fail because it is not within a half mile of a metro stop. It is funny though because residents for the most part cannot imagine moving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Adding density now is a fool’s errand. No one wants to live amidst urban density in a pandemic. Breeding ground for disease. It would vastly drive down the value of DC real estate, which now lies is in its lower density, relative to other cities.

If anyone is adding density now, the project won't be completed for several years, and the pandemic will be over by then. If density is coming online now, the project was started years ago and the costs are already sunk.

Do you seriously think people can just snap their fingers and an apartment building appears fully finished and ready to move in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adding density now is a fool’s errand. No one wants to live amidst urban density in a pandemic. Breeding ground for disease. It would vastly drive down the value of DC real estate, which now lies is in its lower density, relative to other cities.

If anyone is adding density now, the project won't be completed for several years, and the pandemic will be over by then. If density is coming online now, the project was started years ago and the costs are already sunk.

Do you seriously think people can just snap their fingers and an apartment building appears fully finished and ready to move in?

I think that you are dismissing the fact that people will be making future decisions based on what they have been informed about now. Right now, people are appreciating DC not being as dense a city as the Density Bros are pushing. People like the green canopy, the green space and the height limits.

Will that change in the future, maybe. But it would be silly to think that today's reality will not impact the decisions that we are being asked to make now.