APS middle school boundary process

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are you getting that Kenmore goes to 20 or 25 % FARMS? The scenarios I saw had it at 40 or 45%, which is the tipping point in the social science research.

We should be getting it to 25%. We shouldn't be near any "tipping point." Arlington is an extremely wealthy community.

How are people not appalled by this?

Because the only way to get it to 25% is to bus the entire County (a la Single Factor Map 1G). But that would require breaking into 77% white/4% FARMS Williamsburg.

Get your facts straight. WMS is not great, but they are currently at 10% FARMS and 69% white. The 4% plan is only one of the proposals by APS. No one at WMS is asking for that plan and many people I talk to are concerned about that idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are you getting that Kenmore goes to 20 or 25 % FARMS? The scenarios I saw had it at 40 or 45%, which is the tipping point in the social science research.

We should be getting it to 25%. We shouldn't be near any "tipping point." Arlington is an extremely wealthy community.

How are people not appalled by this?

Because the only way to get it to 25% is to bus the entire County (a la Single Factor Map 1G). But that would require breaking into 77% white/4% FARMS Williamsburg.

Get your facts straight. WMS is not great, but they are currently at 10% FARMS and 69% white. The 4% plan is only one of the proposals by APS. No one at WMS is asking for that plan and many people I talk to are concerned about that idea.

There are only two scenarios where wms would have double digits. Otherwise, the SB seems just fine having wms at 2%-4% in all the other blended scenarios while leaving 3 other middle schools in the 40s. I would bet good money that they will have wms in the single digits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yup...Reed pretty much puts a nail in this coffin. McKinley families south of I66 enjoy Kenmore.

I think that is why some MM and DH families were actually against the Reed School. They knew their boundaries would change and didn't like it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yup...Reed pretty much puts a nail in this coffin. McKinley families south of I66 enjoy Kenmore.

I think that is why some MM and DH families were actually against the Reed School. They knew their boundaries would change and didn't like it.

Is this just the tipping point? Could MM and DH get rezoned to Wakefield if we don't get a 4th comprehensive highschool?

[Anonymous]

Sucks to be MM and DH right now. Glad I didn't buy there. I hope they choose the right shirt color for the board meeting.

[Anonymous]

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Because it's one school system, the quality of the schools and the teachers are the same, well-off children perform the same no matter what school they go to, and it's better not to concentrate poverty for any number of well-documented reasons. You're not hurting your child, you're not really hurting your property values (which some have brought up), and you are helping other kids and helping reduce segregation which, in case you haven't noticed, is a problem in our society.

The bolded are statements of opinion and not supported argument.

Not opinion. You can look at the test scores.

http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/kenmore-middle
http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/swanson-middle

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's see if I get this right by abstracting from all these distance, building quality, blah blah blah issues.
Person N's kid currently goes to a school with a low FARMS rate and does not want to be transferred to a high FARMS rate school. Person S calls Person N a racist for this choice.
Person S would like person N's kid to be transferred to S's kids so that S's school's FARMS rate will be lower, thereby making S's school better. Why doesn't person S call him/herself a racist as well? After all, both are motivated by the desire to have their kids go to a school with a lower FARMS rate and both clearly think that FARMS rates are inversely correlated with school performance.

Next, let us look at the blah blah blah issues.
Person A would rather his/her kid go to the overcrowded, rat-infested shithole school S over the newly constructed, Taj Mahal-like school K with smaller class sizes. Perhaps A's kid has a shorter walk to S or A thinks S's gym teacher is cute or some other reason. Person B, on the other hand, thinks that Person A is full of shit when coming up with his/her personal rankings between S and K's desirability as schools for his/her (that is A's) kid. So, person B petitions the School Board for boundaries that will force A's kid to school K for the good of A's kid over the wishes of A. Do we have a word for that? Perhaps it is "fascism."[/quote/]

LOL. Or perhaps it isn't "fascism". Person B is not petitioning the school board to change boundaries. Boundaries need to be changed because schools are overcrowded.
It seems like this wouldn't have been an issue if the new middle school was built to hold more than 1000 students.

[Anonymous]

Yes the boundaries need to be changed, but B insisting on diversity uber alles is fascist.

[Anonymous]

Southie is trying to say they have prepared an excrement sandwich for (some) Northie and if Northie doesn't enjoy it and order another, he/she is "racist." I'm not sure this is the best way of building coalitions in this one party county.

[Anonymous]

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I don't need a lot of social science to tell me that an upper middle class child in Arlington Virginia is not going to be permanently harmed by riding a bus to attend a middle school two miles from home with some kids who are poor and some kids who live in houses valued between $500K and $750K instead of $750K and $1M.

I don't need a lot of statistics to tell me that a house in a close-in suburb in an overall high-performing school district in the eighth wealthiest county in the country where home prices have risen 20 percent in the last decade is going to hold its value.

It is quite amusing that your own example shows a 250K effect on housing prices due to differences in middle school. Perhaps it would be better if you did know social sciences and statistics.

[Anonymous]

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I don't need a lot of social science to tell me that an upper middle class child in Arlington Virginia is not going to be permanently harmed by riding a bus to attend a middle school two miles from home with some kids who are poor and some kids who live in houses valued between $500K and $750K instead of $750K and $1M.

I don't need a lot of statistics to tell me that a house in a close-in suburb in an overall high-performing school district in the eighth wealthiest county in the country where home prices have risen 20 percent in the last decade is going to hold its value.

It is quite amusing that your own example shows a 250K effect on housing prices due to differences in middle school. Perhaps it would be better if you did know social sciences and statistics.

Dp- the price difference is related to metro access and lot size dipshit.

[Anonymous]

Oh, is that why housing prices are higher north of Lee Highway?
Do you have any proof that lot sizes are bigger in the Swanson draw area than Kenmore? Do you have any inkling as to why all Realtor MS list say what school pyramid the house is in?
Please try to think harder before you pull something else out of your ass.

[Anonymous]

Ugh, you people are awful. Come November you will happily vote for Erik Gutshall and the increase in affordable housing, but fight tooth and nail so that it doesn't affect your precious snowflakes. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, you people are awful. Come November you will happily vote for Erik Gutshall and the increase in affordable housing, but fight tooth and nail so that it doesn't affect your precious snowflakes. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

No way I'm voting for him. Clement all the way. Arlingtonians in the north and south alike should fight affordable housing. It's just a way for politicians' cronies to line their pockets. I'll also be fighting to keep my neighborhood school.

[Anonymous]

There are 3 competing groups here- 1) the poors who will do or say ansolutely anything so that their kids are not condemned to attending school with other poors, 2) the wealthy whites in North, North Arlington whose kids are safe for the time being from attending school with the poors and 3) modestly affluent families who have worked all of their lives in order to escape the poors, but who have not been quite successful enough to be able to buy in a neighborhood that is free of any risk of attending schools with the poors. Groups Nos 1 and 3 are attacking Group 2. Group 3 is the worst of all of these 3 groups bc they would behave precisely like Group 2 if they were in Group 2’s situation. They are happy to dispatch other people’s kids to high Farms schools, as long as it isnt their own kids.