Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!

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Anonymous wrote:I may have missed it as I didn’t read the 43 pages of comments, but is there any data or info on how many bikers would be expected on this route?

You can look at things like use of Capital Bike share stations and the increasing sales of bikes in DC and the region as two metrics in terms of demand.

The most authoritative analysis is by the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments. They have cycling (as well as bus riding and subways, etc). all way down, even when adjusting for work from home. Driving is the only mode of transportation that's getting more popular, which is surprising and not surprising.

https://www.mwcog.org/documents/2023/08/14/state-of-the-commute-survey-report--carsharing-state-of-the-commute-telework-travel-surveys/

Anyone who uses data from a small sample to discount population data either has no grasp of statistics and/or is not interested in a meaningful discussion.

Can you please point to the population data that shows driving has not increased and that bikes and other forms of transit have? Genuinely asking as I am looking for data on this.

They have no data but sure have a lot of excuses for why people should not pay attention to the most trusted data sources, MWCOG and ACS.

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The CaBi data is all over this thread. It clearly shows an increase in bike usage. This poster has chosen to continue to post the same DMV wide survey over and over again as if the habits of people in Gaithersburg are related to those in Cleveland Park

What do you think the CaBi data is telling you?

You're welcome to go back and read what was posted about it. Pages 28/29 have a lot of easy to understand infographics if you are still having trouble interpreting the increase in ridership.

Unlike you, I don’t dispute the voracity of officially reported data. Instead, what I am asking is what you think increased utilization of CaBi bikes means. What does that information, in isolation, tell us.

You are trying to draw broad inferences from a very limited set of data and then purposefully rejecting other official data to come to a conclusion that miraculously supports your priors.

This is the same level of anti-intellectualsm that is common among the scientific creationism crowd.

More people are using bikes = bike usage is more popular. I don't need to use as many big words to make a clear inference

B doesn’t follow A. Not sure why this is so complicated.

You're welcome to continue to try this awful argument on others, but I'm done engaging

DP. Good effort. Will meet you at Vace to bike to Politics & Prose holding a slice of pizza. (The anti-bike obsessive is something else.)

lol it's really incredible - i think it's because their mode of transit is so miserable that they're angry about other options. I had to drive for an errand yesterday that involved me going up and down N. Cap and after going 8 miles in 90 mins I felt like the cranks on here!

I feel you. The changes that have been made to North Cap, 16th and Georgia are horrendously bad. I refuse to use them anymore. Why anyone would desire the same thing on Connecticut is beyond me.

Right. Two lanes of traffic, one lane of parking, and red on maps as far as the eye can see. This is what the anti bike squad wants and I have no idea why.

Do you not realize that the changes to that road have made it far worse? That is what the bike bros explicitly want for Connecticut

I truly have no idea what you're are talking about. Explain what part of north cap is bikeable

It's the same damn shenanigans. I don't care whether they included protected bike lanes or not. The issue is intentionally making congestion worse.

Oh okay. Great point I'll keep that in mind. Just so I'm clear "bike bros" are making traffic on North Captiol, a road that has no bike lanes whatsoever, more congested by...asking for bike lanes on CT Ave?

Is that where we've landed?

I feel like we found the equivalent of "AI adding a sixth finger" to these bots messages.

Zing! You’re so clever.

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Anonymous wrote:I may have missed it as I didn’t read the 43 pages of comments, but is there any data or info on how many bikers would be expected on this route?

You can look at things like use of Capital Bike share stations and the increasing sales of bikes in DC and the region as two metrics in terms of demand.

The most authoritative analysis is by the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments. They have cycling (as well as bus riding and subways, etc). all way down, even when adjusting for work from home. Driving is the only mode of transportation that's getting more popular, which is surprising and not surprising.

https://www.mwcog.org/documents/2023/08/14/state-of-the-commute-survey-report--carsharing-state-of-the-commute-telework-travel-surveys/

Anyone who uses data from a small sample to discount population data either has no grasp of statistics and/or is not interested in a meaningful discussion.

Can you please point to the population data that shows driving has not increased and that bikes and other forms of transit have? Genuinely asking as I am looking for data on this.

They have no data but sure have a lot of excuses for why people should not pay attention to the most trusted data sources, MWCOG and ACS.

+1000

The CaBi data is all over this thread. It clearly shows an increase in bike usage. This poster has chosen to continue to post the same DMV wide survey over and over again as if the habits of people in Gaithersburg are related to those in Cleveland Park

What do you think the CaBi data is telling you?

You're welcome to go back and read what was posted about it. Pages 28/29 have a lot of easy to understand infographics if you are still having trouble interpreting the increase in ridership.

Unlike you, I don’t dispute the voracity of officially reported data. Instead, what I am asking is what you think increased utilization of CaBi bikes means. What does that information, in isolation, tell us.

You are trying to draw broad inferences from a very limited set of data and then purposefully rejecting other official data to come to a conclusion that miraculously supports your priors.

This is the same level of anti-intellectualsm that is common among the scientific creationism crowd.

More people are using bikes = bike usage is more popular. I don't need to use as many big words to make a clear inference

B doesn’t follow A. Not sure why this is so complicated.

You're welcome to continue to try this awful argument on others, but I'm done engaging

DP. Good effort. Will meet you at Vace to bike to Politics & Prose holding a slice of pizza. (The anti-bike obsessive is something else.)

lol it's really incredible - i think it's because their mode of transit is so miserable that they're angry about other options. I had to drive for an errand yesterday that involved me going up and down N. Cap and after going 8 miles in 90 mins I felt like the cranks on here!

I feel you. The changes that have been made to North Cap, 16th and Georgia are horrendously bad. I refuse to use them anymore. Why anyone would desire the same thing on Connecticut is beyond me.

Right. Two lanes of traffic, one lane of parking, and red on maps as far as the eye can see. This is what the anti bike squad wants and I have no idea why.

Do you not realize that the changes to that road have made it far worse? That is what the bike bros explicitly want for Connecticut

Are the bike bros and the density bros the same? Or just bros from different mos (mothers)?

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Anonymous wrote:I may have missed it as I didn’t read the 43 pages of comments, but is there any data or info on how many bikers would be expected on this route?

You can look at things like use of Capital Bike share stations and the increasing sales of bikes in DC and the region as two metrics in terms of demand.

The most authoritative analysis is by the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments. They have cycling (as well as bus riding and subways, etc). all way down, even when adjusting for work from home. Driving is the only mode of transportation that's getting more popular, which is surprising and not surprising.

https://www.mwcog.org/documents/2023/08/14/state-of-the-commute-survey-report--carsharing-state-of-the-commute-telework-travel-surveys/

Anyone who uses data from a small sample to discount population data either has no grasp of statistics and/or is not interested in a meaningful discussion.

Can you please point to the population data that shows driving has not increased and that bikes and other forms of transit have? Genuinely asking as I am looking for data on this.

They have no data but sure have a lot of excuses for why people should not pay attention to the most trusted data sources, MWCOG and ACS.

+1000

The CaBi data is all over this thread. It clearly shows an increase in bike usage. This poster has chosen to continue to post the same DMV wide survey over and over again as if the habits of people in Gaithersburg are related to those in Cleveland Park

What do you think the CaBi data is telling you?

You're welcome to go back and read what was posted about it. Pages 28/29 have a lot of easy to understand infographics if you are still having trouble interpreting the increase in ridership.

Unlike you, I don’t dispute the voracity of officially reported data. Instead, what I am asking is what you think increased utilization of CaBi bikes means. What does that information, in isolation, tell us.

You are trying to draw broad inferences from a very limited set of data and then purposefully rejecting other official data to come to a conclusion that miraculously supports your priors.

This is the same level of anti-intellectualsm that is common among the scientific creationism crowd.

More people are using bikes = bike usage is more popular. I don't need to use as many big words to make a clear inference

B doesn’t follow A. Not sure why this is so complicated.

You're welcome to continue to try this awful argument on others, but I'm done engaging

DP. Good effort. Will meet you at Vace to bike to Politics & Prose holding a slice of pizza. (The anti-bike obsessive is something else.)

lol it's really incredible - i think it's because their mode of transit is so miserable that they're angry about other options. I had to drive for an errand yesterday that involved me going up and down N. Cap and after going 8 miles in 90 mins I felt like the cranks on here!

I feel you. The changes that have been made to North Cap, 16th and Georgia are horrendously bad. I refuse to use them anymore. Why anyone would desire the same thing on Connecticut is beyond me.

What changes have been made to North Capitol? I (a Maryland driver) was driving on North Capitol recently, and it really struck me how completely inappropriate North Capitol is for a street in a city. DDOT should design the street for the people who live in DC, not for me.

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Anonymous wrote:I may have missed it as I didn’t read the 43 pages of comments, but is there any data or info on how many bikers would be expected on this route?

You can look at things like use of Capital Bike share stations and the increasing sales of bikes in DC and the region as two metrics in terms of demand.

The most authoritative analysis is by the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments. They have cycling (as well as bus riding and subways, etc). all way down, even when adjusting for work from home. Driving is the only mode of transportation that's getting more popular, which is surprising and not surprising.

https://www.mwcog.org/documents/2023/08/14/state-of-the-commute-survey-report--carsharing-state-of-the-commute-telework-travel-surveys/

Anyone who uses data from a small sample to discount population data either has no grasp of statistics and/or is not interested in a meaningful discussion.

Can you please point to the population data that shows driving has not increased and that bikes and other forms of transit have? Genuinely asking as I am looking for data on this.

They have no data but sure have a lot of excuses for why people should not pay attention to the most trusted data sources, MWCOG and ACS.

+1000

The CaBi data is all over this thread. It clearly shows an increase in bike usage. This poster has chosen to continue to post the same DMV wide survey over and over again as if the habits of people in Gaithersburg are related to those in Cleveland Park

What do you think the CaBi data is telling you?

You're welcome to go back and read what was posted about it. Pages 28/29 have a lot of easy to understand infographics if you are still having trouble interpreting the increase in ridership.

Unlike you, I don’t dispute the voracity of officially reported data. Instead, what I am asking is what you think increased utilization of CaBi bikes means. What does that information, in isolation, tell us.

You are trying to draw broad inferences from a very limited set of data and then purposefully rejecting other official data to come to a conclusion that miraculously supports your priors.

This is the same level of anti-intellectualsm that is common among the scientific creationism crowd.

More people are using bikes = bike usage is more popular. I don't need to use as many big words to make a clear inference

B doesn’t follow A. Not sure why this is so complicated.

You're welcome to continue to try this awful argument on others, but I'm done engaging

DP. Good effort. Will meet you at Vace to bike to Politics & Prose holding a slice of pizza. (The anti-bike obsessive is something else.)

lol it's really incredible - i think it's because their mode of transit is so miserable that they're angry about other options. I had to drive for an errand yesterday that involved me going up and down N. Cap and after going 8 miles in 90 mins I felt like the cranks on here!

I feel you. The changes that have been made to North Cap, 16th and Georgia are horrendously bad. I refuse to use them anymore. Why anyone would desire the same thing on Connecticut is beyond me.

Right. Two lanes of traffic, one lane of parking, and red on maps as far as the eye can see. This is what the anti bike squad wants and I have no idea why.

Do you not realize that the changes to that road have made it far worse? That is what the bike bros explicitly want for Connecticut

Are the bike bros and the density bros the same? Or just bros from different mos (mothers)?

Yes. They are the same.

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Today was a beautiful spring day. One of the best we have had. I drove from Avalon Theater to K Street at 11 am and returned at 3 pm or so. I saw 3 bikers on the drive down and 3 on the way back. Impressive demand.

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Anonymous wrote:Today was a beautiful spring day. One of the best we have had. I drove from Avalon Theater to K Street at 11 am and returned at 3 pm or so. I saw 3 bikers on the drive down and 3 on the way back. Impressive demand.

Driving down and back on the Avenue of course.

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Anonymous wrote:Today was a beautiful spring day. One of the best we have had. I drove from Avalon Theater to K Street at 11 am and returned at 3 pm or so. I saw 3 bikers on the drive down and 3 on the way back. Impressive demand.

You understand that you can't see all of the bikers on the street at one time, right? You can only see the ones around you.

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Anonymous wrote:Today was a beautiful spring day. One of the best we have had. I drove from Avalon Theater to K Street at 11 am and returned at 3 pm or so. I saw 3 bikers on the drive down and 3 on the way back. Impressive demand.

Why didn't you take the bus?

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Anonymous wrote:Today was a beautiful spring day. One of the best we have had. I drove from Avalon Theater to K Street at 11 am and returned at 3 pm or so. I saw 3 bikers on the drive down and 3 on the way back. Impressive demand.

You understand that you can't see all of the bikers on the street at one time, right? You can only see the ones around you.

Thanks for the tip. Does that apply to cars as well? I guess I can't see at one time all of the cars that use the Avenue.

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Anonymous wrote:Today was a beautiful spring day. One of the best we have had. I drove from Avalon Theater to K Street at 11 am and returned at 3 pm or so. I saw 3 bikers on the drive down and 3 on the way back. Impressive demand.

Why didn't you take the bus?

Great suggestion. But I enjoy driving my hybrid.

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Anonymous wrote:I may have missed it as I didn’t read the 43 pages of comments, but is there any data or info on how many bikers would be expected on this route?

You can look at things like use of Capital Bike share stations and the increasing sales of bikes in DC and the region as two metrics in terms of demand.

The most authoritative analysis is by the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments. They have cycling (as well as bus riding and subways, etc). all way down, even when adjusting for work from home. Driving is the only mode of transportation that's getting more popular, which is surprising and not surprising.

https://www.mwcog.org/documents/2023/08/14/state-of-the-commute-survey-report--carsharing-state-of-the-commute-telework-travel-surveys/

Anyone who uses data from a small sample to discount population data either has no grasp of statistics and/or is not interested in a meaningful discussion.

Can you please point to the population data that shows driving has not increased and that bikes and other forms of transit have? Genuinely asking as I am looking for data on this.

They have no data but sure have a lot of excuses for why people should not pay attention to the most trusted data sources, MWCOG and ACS.

+1000

The CaBi data is all over this thread. It clearly shows an increase in bike usage. This poster has chosen to continue to post the same DMV wide survey over and over again as if the habits of people in Gaithersburg are related to those in Cleveland Park

What do you think the CaBi data is telling you?

You're welcome to go back and read what was posted about it. Pages 28/29 have a lot of easy to understand infographics if you are still having trouble interpreting the increase in ridership.

Unlike you, I don’t dispute the voracity of officially reported data. Instead, what I am asking is what you think increased utilization of CaBi bikes means. What does that information, in isolation, tell us.

You are trying to draw broad inferences from a very limited set of data and then purposefully rejecting other official data to come to a conclusion that miraculously supports your priors.

This is the same level of anti-intellectualsm that is common among the scientific creationism crowd.

More people are using bikes = bike usage is more popular. I don't need to use as many big words to make a clear inference

B doesn’t follow A. Not sure why this is so complicated.

You're welcome to continue to try this awful argument on others, but I'm done engaging

DP. Good effort. Will meet you at Vace to bike to Politics & Prose holding a slice of pizza. (The anti-bike obsessive is something else.)

lol it's really incredible - i think it's because their mode of transit is so miserable that they're angry about other options. I had to drive for an errand yesterday that involved me going up and down N. Cap and after going 8 miles in 90 mins I felt like the cranks on here!

I feel you. The changes that have been made to North Cap, 16th and Georgia are horrendously bad. I refuse to use them anymore. Why anyone would desire the same thing on Connecticut is beyond me.

Right. Two lanes of traffic, one lane of parking, and red on maps as far as the eye can see. This is what the anti bike squad wants and I have no idea why.

Do you not realize that the changes to that road have made it far worse? That is what the bike bros explicitly want for Connecticut

Are the bike bros and the density bros the same? Or just bros from different mos (mothers)?

Yes. They are the same.

The bike and density lobbies seem to use the same spinmeister.

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I'm very upset about the traffic that bicyclists are causing on the beltway at rush hour

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Anonymous wrote:Today was a beautiful spring day. One of the best we have had. I drove from Avalon Theater to K Street at 11 am and returned at 3 pm or so. I saw 3 bikers on the drive down and 3 on the way back. Impressive demand.

Why didn't you take the bus?

Great suggestion. But I enjoy driving my hybrid.

Apparently not a great suggestion. I guess buses are for other people, not for you?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm very upset about the traffic that bicyclists are causing on the beltway at rush hour

Please don't give them any more bright ideas.

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Anonymous wrote:Today was a beautiful spring day. One of the best we have had. I drove from Avalon Theater to K Street at 11 am and returned at 3 pm or so. I saw 3 bikers on the drive down and 3 on the way back. Impressive demand.

Why didn't you take the bus?

Great suggestion. But I enjoy driving my hybrid.

Apparently not a great suggestion. I guess buses are for other people, not for you?

Imagine actually caring about whether other people ride the bus or not.