Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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Anonymous wrote:“Also, specifically, if e.g., economics is the priority: Yes, Chicago, MIT, Harvard cannot be beat,“

They can’t be beat if you are putting the final touches on your PhD dissertation. That doesn’t mean you can’t equal them at the undergraduate level. The fact that most agree that Amherst, Williams, etc provide unsurpassed undergrad educations would seem to indicate that you don’t need a bunch of Nobel Prize winners to deliver top-notch UNDERGRADUATE classes.

Considering how difficult it is to get a tenure- track job these days, even mediocre colleges have professors from excellent grad schools who should be able to handle any material covered in undergraduate classes.

What about research/internship/competition opportunities? MIT has better options than Williams.

None of that matters for 90% of people. The topic of this thread is flagships that educate far more.

It matters for people evaluating various types of schools/programs.

How is MIT relevant to this thread?

Go re-read the preceding posts. PPs were comparing the quality of undergraduate options - big/small, private/flagships. It’s based on more than just having well-educated professors.

Flagships are always going to have more opportunity so the comparison is unnecessary.

Ok, thread police.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

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Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

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My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

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Anonymous wrote:“Also, specifically, if e.g., economics is the priority: Yes, Chicago, MIT, Harvard cannot be beat,“

They can’t be beat if you are putting the final touches on your PhD dissertation. That doesn’t mean you can’t equal them at the undergraduate level. The fact that most agree that Amherst, Williams, etc provide unsurpassed undergrad educations would seem to indicate that you don’t need a bunch of Nobel Prize winners to deliver top-notch UNDERGRADUATE classes.

Considering how difficult it is to get a tenure- track job these days, even mediocre colleges have professors from excellent grad schools who should be able to handle any material covered in undergraduate classes.

I fully agree. You’re making / confirming my point and I appreciate your response. I hedged my general point, by saying I’m not suggesting schools schools are equal at the top.

I also admit I am indeed looking ahead at grad school and PhDs, as I have one in economics and I think that is a field where it often is worth it. In this context, I got my degrees in Europe and am trying figure out the UNDERGRADUATE - graduate / PhD connection in the US educational (another thread perhaps).

Finally, as a side note, my libertarian leaning friend back in the days checked U of C’s classes and showed me the line up for undergrad Econ introduction - Gary Becker for micro and Robert Lucas for macro. Two slam dunk non-sharing Nobel laureates You are indeed right about undergrad ed., but boy wouldn’t it be exciting to have Michael Jordan teaching you jump shots even if there would be hundreds of other aspiring basketball players there.

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Anonymous wrote:“None of that matters for 90% of people. The topic of this thread is flagships that educate far more”

It is relevant because the premise was MIT, Harvard, & Chicago will give you the best bachelor’s in economics. Once that bubble was burst with the examples of Williams & Amherst, the fallacy that you need world-class authorities to learn at the undergrad level was exposed. Once it’s exposed for Williams & Amherst, it would seem odd to assume you can’t also get a great undergrad education at reputable big public universities (which, like Amherst & Williams, might not have world-famous faculty). Now someone will surely say that at Amherst & Williams you can talk to your profs over coffee, have dinner at their house, blah blah blah. Fine, but for half the price at a big public you can still talk to them and get your questions answered. Bottom line: many of the assumed academic advantages of going to Ivies+ might apply to grad students but not be manifested in undergrad classes.

It’s as simple as saying you don’t need the guidance of the Swiss Olympic ski team coach if you are just learning to get down the hill without hitting a tree.

So, going to OOS flagships (and other OOS schools) makes a lot of sense since it’s still cheaper than most or all high quality private schools, which answers the OP question.

A remaining question then is if the “assumed academic advantages of going to Ivies+ [that] might apply to grad students but not be manifested in undergrad classes” are more available to those with Ivies+ undergrad degrees. Ie if you’re really good at a very good public school, can you get a first class graduate education. Certainly, some public schools are top notch also beyond undergrad and I would guess and hope that top private schools would admit really good undergrads from public schools (who employ many Ivy+ educated professors) but maybe that’s incredibly difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

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My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Well, we can only assume he is as prejudiced as his mother, so your loss, mom!

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

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My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Well, we can only assume he is as prejudiced as his mother, so your loss, mom!

Maybe you can’t read? I didn’t understand why he had no plans to apply to UVA until I got a load of the tiresome UVA boosters. Now I fully understand (and support) his choice. You people give UVA a terrible name .

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Well, we can only assume he is as prejudiced as his mother, so your loss, mom!

Maybe you can’t read? I didn’t understand why he had no plans to apply to UVA until I got a load of the tiresome UVA boosters. Now I fully understand (and support) his choice. You people give UVA a terrible name .

You are both prejudiced.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Well, we can only assume he is as prejudiced as his mother, so your loss, mom!

Maybe you can’t read? I didn’t understand why he had no plans to apply to UVA until I got a load of the tiresome UVA boosters. Now I fully understand (and support) his choice. You people give UVA a terrible name .

You are both prejudiced.

You clearly don’t even know what that word means.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Well, we can only assume he is as prejudiced as his mother, so your loss, mom!

Maybe you can’t read? I didn’t understand why he had no plans to apply to UVA until I got a load of the tiresome UVA boosters. Now I fully understand (and support) his choice. You people give UVA a terrible name .

You are both prejudiced.

You clearly don’t even know what that word means.

I do. You and your son have "pre judged" UVA based upon false and inaccurate assumptions.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA boosters are clowns that make UVA look like a joke, even though it is probably a decent school.

Truth! It's embarassing. no other state school has boosters that try this hard

Bama people are worse

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

+1
My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Well, we can only assume he is as prejudiced as his mother, so your loss, mom!

Maybe you can’t read? I didn’t understand why he had no plans to apply to UVA until I got a load of the tiresome UVA boosters. Now I fully understand (and support) his choice. You people give UVA a terrible name .

You are both prejudiced.

You clearly don’t even know what that word means.

I do. You and your son have "pre judged" UVA based upon false and inaccurate assumptions.

DP. What exactly is PP “assuming”? That there are insufferable boosters? No assumptions needed there; we get daily confirmation here on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

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Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

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My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Well, we can only assume he is as prejudiced as his mother, so your loss, mom!

Maybe you can’t read? I didn’t understand why he had no plans to apply to UVA until I got a load of the tiresome UVA boosters. Now I fully understand (and support) his choice. You people give UVA a terrible name .

You are both prejudiced.

You clearly don’t even know what that word means.

I do. You and your son have "pre judged" UVA based upon false and inaccurate assumptions.

What is “false and inaccurate” about the ahole boosters’ comments? We can all see for ourselves, it’s no secret that UVA boosters are the *worst*. Not our fault if they give the school a horrible reputation. And sorry if the truth is triggering to you.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA boosters are clowns that make UVA look like a joke, even though it is probably a decent school.

Truth! It's embarassing. no other state school has boosters that try this hard

Bama people are worse

They are funny, and don’t take themselves seriously. UVA boosters honestly believe their own hype.
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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

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Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

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My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Lol we all know the real reason why your son didn’t apply.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

+100

Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

Such a sad sad person you are. Who are your friends?

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My son had zero desire to apply to UVA and now I understand why. Totally insufferable boosters.

Well, we can only assume he is as prejudiced as his mother, so your loss, mom!

Maybe you can’t read? I didn’t understand why he had no plans to apply to UVA until I got a load of the tiresome UVA boosters. Now I fully understand (and support) his choice. You people give UVA a terrible name .

You are both prejudiced.

You clearly don’t even know what that word means.

I do. You and your son have "pre judged" UVA based upon false and inaccurate assumptions.

DP. What exactly is PP “assuming”? That there are insufferable boosters? No assumptions needed there; we get daily confirmation here on DCUM.

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Exactly. And the PP knows it. I’d be embarrassed to have people like that representing my/my kid’s school.