ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

They hired US Soccer's compliance person the day after the Nov 22 meeting. They are working on a rollout but these things take time, they are dotting I's and crossing T's.

Many ECNL clubs have already indicated to their membership that there is no change next year, but beyond next year there might be change, the details of which are still TBD.

Yes my clubs director told us the same. No change for next year. Unless ecnl have something up their sleeve no changes will be happening. So if your kid is a 2012 Q3/4 congratulations they never have to be trapped.

My kid is 2012 Q4. How do you mean? She was trapped in 2024. Unfortunately looks like she'll be trapped in 2025. And MAYBE by 8th grade she'll actually get to play with her own grade and avoid some of the real issues with being trapped. Are you just referencing the 8th grade situation or am I missing something? 2025 would be ideal because its the first year of ECNL for 7th graders and she can align with a team that'll hopefully stay together for a while.

On paper, unless she played up on a team that had/has HS freshmen OR skipped a grade(s), she wouldn't be trapped until 26-27. Or, please enlighten us on how she was trapped this year AND next year? I guess it wouldn't surprise that there are even more scenarios with the US having so many different schooling choices/systems.

It's my self definition of trapped. I see trapped as she can't play with her grade. And it's almost worse knowing she WILL be playing with her grade but not yet! For the 6-8th grade group this issue is urgent. Its been a broken system and the sooner its fixed the more likely to ensure we don't get early dropout.

There is an actual definition for a trapped player. You don't get to self define.

You must have a better dictionary than I do because it was nowhere to be found in my websters. Regardless, the implications for my daughter getting established this year vs next at this age are huge. The ECNL teams are already established for 2012. We did GA this year (a mistake I'd rather not repeat). I'd like to get her into the ECNL ecosystem sooner than later but one, it'll be hard to disrupt a current team as a November bday if they are all older and in the system. Two, that's alot of effort for one year and we are there are tons of competitive teams so getting this figured out would likely change her development path. Not the end of the world but obviously better to do this asap.

I wouldnt worry too much. The competivive balance will make sure your daughter has the options you want. 50% of ECNL Rosters in 24 months will be September to December.

Good point and she's lucky it'll be her 8th grade year in 2026.

Clubs who refuse to adapt won't win.... Just keep your daughter healthy and she will get her spot if she can play. Check out the 2013's if you want to see what she has to compete with. I know you will be happy after you do.

Nope, maybe in 6 years when all thr youngers come up but not immediately.

I've seen some seriously taleted kids try playing a year up and not sniff the field at a top 5 ECNL program in the country. I think people will be really shocked when RAE is layed out for all to see. This might be the best thing to ever happen to US youth soccer.

I haven't read this whole thread, so maybe it's already been said. But this has zero effect on RAE other than to e the line.

Also unclear is if all the top leagues switch and if some keep BY, it perhaps leads to a system where RAE is eventually minimized.

The only way to minimize RAE is to have teams and leagues for Late Developers only.

Curious, can you explain how that would work?

I'll try to make it simple since most people here aren't true soccer folks

(keeping in mind our pay-to-play system will make it almost impossible to achieve below the real Academies level)

There would be real and measurable objective criteria markers to be considered a late developer.
btw Late Developers are high skilled quality players with clear potential being only held back by slower maturation. Not just small kids.

A club like Bethesda would have all 2012 late developers on a 2012 'B' team which would have the same levels of coaching, training and play in MLS Next against other legitimate late developer teams.

Not a NAL team and league with kids who don't have the quality to make a MLS Next team.
Those players of course will occasionally play with the 'A' team.

As said, the system and culture doesn't exist to facilitate this.

I feel like you are asking me to be a jerk to you. I am not taking the bait this time.

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Anonymous wrote:We need some inside info!!
Someone has had to heard something by now that the ECNL/US Club is going to do!
Spill the beans

Since you haven't figured it out ECNL has realized that their astroturf campaign isn't working.

US Soccer is allowing leagues to do whatever they want in 2026. Different leagues will need to all negotiate with each other if want to have the same rules.

I highly doubt different leagues will be able to work together. Which is why ECNL wanted US Soccer to mandate some kind of change.

Birth year mandate was removed. If ECNL was the leader in removing it, their efforts worked, they won.

There's no win, your spiritual leader Christian Lavars even said that he questions US Soccer's ability to mandate BY in one of his podcasts. What he meant by this is ECNL could easily adopt rules that essentially make their league SY even within a BY context.

Think of this a different way. If Ford Chevy Toyota etc all had to make a single decision about how they sell cars and everyone would agree to sell cars that way from then on would they be able to?

The answer is no. This is why ECNL and US Club wanted US Soccer to mandate SY. US Soccer saw through what they were trying to do and put it on leagues themselves to agree on the rules. (Knowing that they all hate each other and can't agree on anything)

Got it, so US Soccer is completely inept as a governing body. What a petty, cut off your nose to spite your face response if that was actually their thought process.

Sorry if you didn't get the response you wanted. However this is how the game is played. ECNL thought they could stand behind US Culb and use astroturfing campaigns and parents to pressure US Soccer. US Soccer represents much more than youth girls competitive interests.

Parents never seem to figure out that Soccer leadership knows that within 3-5 years most of the most vocal critics, proponents, whatever will filter away and a new crop of critics and proponents will replace them. There is no need to make quick changes on anything.

You are the same guy in every thread, astroturfing...ECNL is US Club. Who is the soccer leadership? are they the same as the deep state?

Why can't you just stick to the facts and not try to spin them into something they aren't.

ECNL USYS and AYSO seem to agree to SY that's fine. There's all kinds of other leagues that haven't relayed their position.

US Soccer has stated everyone is free to do what works best for them in 2026.

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

They hired US Soccer's compliance person the day after the Nov 22 meeting. They are working on a rollout but these things take time, they are dotting I's and crossing T's.

Many ECNL clubs have already indicated to their membership that there is no change next year, but beyond next year there might be change, the details of which are still TBD.

Yes my clubs director told us the same. No change for next year. Unless ecnl have something up their sleeve no changes will be happening. So if your kid is a 2012 Q3/4 congratulations they never have to be trapped.

My kid is 2012 Q4. How do you mean? She was trapped in 2024. Unfortunately looks like she'll be trapped in 2025. And MAYBE by 8th grade she'll actually get to play with her own grade and avoid some of the real issues with being trapped. Are you just referencing the 8th grade situation or am I missing something? 2025 would be ideal because its the first year of ECNL for 7th graders and she can align with a team that'll hopefully stay together for a while.

On paper, unless she played up on a team that had/has HS freshmen OR skipped a grade(s), she wouldn't be trapped until 26-27. Or, please enlighten us on how she was trapped this year AND next year? I guess it wouldn't surprise that there are even more scenarios with the US having so many different schooling choices/systems.

It's my self definition of trapped. I see trapped as she can't play with her grade. And it's almost worse knowing she WILL be playing with her grade but not yet! For the 6-8th grade group this issue is urgent. Its been a broken system and the sooner its fixed the more likely to ensure we don't get early dropout.

There is an actual definition for a trapped player. You don't get to self define.

You must have a better dictionary than I do because it was nowhere to be found in my websters. Regardless, the implications for my daughter getting established this year vs next at this age are huge. The ECNL teams are already established for 2012. We did GA this year (a mistake I'd rather not repeat). I'd like to get her into the ECNL ecosystem sooner than later but one, it'll be hard to disrupt a current team as a November bday if they are all older and in the system. Two, that's alot of effort for one year and we are there are tons of competitive teams so getting this figured out would likely change her development path. Not the end of the world but obviously better to do this asap.

I wouldnt worry too much. The competivive balance will make sure your daughter has the options you want. 50% of ECNL Rosters in 24 months will be September to December.

Good point and she's lucky it'll be her 8th grade year in 2026.

Clubs who refuse to adapt won't win.... Just keep your daughter healthy and she will get her spot if she can play. Check out the 2013's if you want to see what she has to compete with. I know you will be happy after you do.

Nope, maybe in 6 years when all thr youngers come up but not immediately.

I've seen some seriously taleted kids try playing a year up and not sniff the field at a top 5 ECNL program in the country. I think people will be really shocked when RAE is layed out for all to see. This might be the best thing to ever happen to US youth soccer.

I haven't read this whole thread, so maybe it's already been said. But this has zero effect on RAE other than to e the line.

Also unclear is if all the top leagues switch and if some keep BY, it perhaps leads to a system where RAE is eventually minimized.

The only way to minimize RAE is to have teams and leagues for Late Developers only.

Curious, can you explain how that would work?

I'll try to make it simple since most people here aren't true soccer folks

(keeping in mind our pay-to-play system will make it almost impossible to achieve below the real Academies level)

There would be real and measurable objective criteria markers to be considered a late developer.
btw Late Developers are high skilled quality players with clear potential being only held back by slower maturation. Not just small kids.

A club like Bethesda would have all 2012 late developers on a 2012 'B' team which would have the same levels of coaching, training and play in MLS Next against other legitimate late developer teams.

Not a NAL team and league with kids who don't have the quality to make a MLS Next team.
Those players of course will occasionally play with the 'A' team.

As said, the system and culture doesn't exist to facilitate this.

I feel like you are asking me to be a jerk to you. I am not taking the bait this time.

I feel like you are reactive and don't think things through fully before making decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

They hired US Soccer's compliance person the day after the Nov 22 meeting. They are working on a rollout but these things take time, they are dotting I's and crossing T's.

Many ECNL clubs have already indicated to their membership that there is no change next year, but beyond next year there might be change, the details of which are still TBD.

Yes my clubs director told us the same. No change for next year. Unless ecnl have something up their sleeve no changes will be happening. So if your kid is a 2012 Q3/4 congratulations they never have to be trapped.

My kid is 2012 Q4. How do you mean? She was trapped in 2024. Unfortunately looks like she'll be trapped in 2025. And MAYBE by 8th grade she'll actually get to play with her own grade and avoid some of the real issues with being trapped. Are you just referencing the 8th grade situation or am I missing something? 2025 would be ideal because its the first year of ECNL for 7th graders and she can align with a team that'll hopefully stay together for a while.

On paper, unless she played up on a team that had/has HS freshmen OR skipped a grade(s), she wouldn't be trapped until 26-27. Or, please enlighten us on how she was trapped this year AND next year? I guess it wouldn't surprise that there are even more scenarios with the US having so many different schooling choices/systems.

It's my self definition of trapped. I see trapped as she can't play with her grade. And it's almost worse knowing she WILL be playing with her grade but not yet! For the 6-8th grade group this issue is urgent. Its been a broken system and the sooner its fixed the more likely to ensure we don't get early dropout.

There is an actual definition for a trapped player. You don't get to self define.

You must have a better dictionary than I do because it was nowhere to be found in my websters. Regardless, the implications for my daughter getting established this year vs next at this age are huge. The ECNL teams are already established for 2012. We did GA this year (a mistake I'd rather not repeat). I'd like to get her into the ECNL ecosystem sooner than later but one, it'll be hard to disrupt a current team as a November bday if they are all older and in the system. Two, that's alot of effort for one year and we are there are tons of competitive teams so getting this figured out would likely change her development path. Not the end of the world but obviously better to do this asap.

I wouldnt worry too much. The competivive balance will make sure your daughter has the options you want. 50% of ECNL Rosters in 24 months will be September to December.

Good point and she's lucky it'll be her 8th grade year in 2026.

Clubs who refuse to adapt won't win.... Just keep your daughter healthy and she will get her spot if she can play. Check out the 2013's if you want to see what she has to compete with. I know you will be happy after you do.

Nope, maybe in 6 years when all thr youngers come up but not immediately.

I've seen some seriously taleted kids try playing a year up and not sniff the field at a top 5 ECNL program in the country. I think people will be really shocked when RAE is layed out for all to see. This might be the best thing to ever happen to US youth soccer.

I haven't read this whole thread, so maybe it's already been said. But this has zero effect on RAE other than to e the line.

Also unclear is if all the top leagues switch and if some keep BY, it perhaps leads to a system where RAE is eventually minimized.

The only way to minimize RAE is to have teams and leagues for Late Developers only.

Curious, can you explain how that would work?

I'll try to make it simple since most people here aren't true soccer folks

(keeping in mind our pay-to-play system will make it almost impossible to achieve below the real Academies level)

There would be real and measurable objective criteria markers to be considered a late developer.
btw Late Developers are high skilled quality players with clear potential being only held back by slower maturation. Not just small kids.

A club like Bethesda would have all 2012 late developers on a 2012 'B' team which would have the same levels of coaching, training and play in MLS Next against other legitimate late developer teams.

Not a NAL team and league with kids who don't have the quality to make a MLS Next team.
Those players of course will occasionally play with the 'A' team.

As said, the system and culture doesn't exist to facilitate this.

I feel like you are asking me to be a jerk to you. I am not taking the bait this time.

I feel like you are reactive and don't think things through fully before making decisions.

Now you are begging.

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Anonymous wrote:We need some inside info!!
Someone has had to heard something by now that the ECNL/US Club is going to do!
Spill the beans

Since you haven't figured it out ECNL has realized that their astroturf campaign isn't working.

US Soccer is allowing leagues to do whatever they want in 2026. Different leagues will need to all negotiate with each other if want to have the same rules.

I highly doubt different leagues will be able to work together. Which is why ECNL wanted US Soccer to mandate some kind of change.

Birth year mandate was removed. If ECNL was the leader in removing it, their efforts worked, they won.

There's no win, your spiritual leader Christian Lavars even said that he questions US Soccer's ability to mandate BY in one of his podcasts. What he meant by this is ECNL could easily adopt rules that essentially make their league SY even within a BY context.

Think of this a different way. If Ford Chevy Toyota etc all had to make a single decision about how they sell cars and everyone would agree to sell cars that way from then on would they be able to?

The answer is no. This is why ECNL and US Club wanted US Soccer to mandate SY. US Soccer saw through what they were trying to do and put it on leagues themselves to agree on the rules. (Knowing that they all hate each other and can't agree on anything)

Got it, so US Soccer is completely inept as a governing body. What a petty, cut off your nose to spite your face response if that was actually their thought process.

Sorry if you didn't get the response you wanted. However this is how the game is played. ECNL thought they could stand behind US Culb and use astroturfing campaigns and parents to pressure US Soccer. US Soccer represents much more than youth girls competitive interests.

Parents never seem to figure out that Soccer leadership knows that within 3-5 years most of the most vocal critics, proponents, whatever will filter away and a new crop of critics and proponents will replace them. There is no need to make quick changes on anything.

You are the same guy in every thread, astroturfing...ECNL is US Club. Who is the soccer leadership? are they the same as the deep state?

Why can't you just stick to the facts and not try to spin them into something they aren't.

ECNL USYS and AYSO seem to agree to SY that's fine. There's all kinds of other leagues that haven't relayed their position.

US Soccer has stated everyone is free to do what works best for them in 2026.

Those 3 make up about 90% of all US soccer registrants, that is a fact. MLSN does not have a feeder system, they rely on all of the other youth orgs to populate their league. They are on an island if they truly are the holdouts to this change.

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Anonymous wrote:We need some inside info!!
Someone has had to heard something by now that the ECNL/US Club is going to do!
Spill the beans

Since you haven't figured it out ECNL has realized that their astroturf campaign isn't working.

US Soccer is allowing leagues to do whatever they want in 2026. Different leagues will need to all negotiate with each other if want to have the same rules.

I highly doubt different leagues will be able to work together. Which is why ECNL wanted US Soccer to mandate some kind of change.

Birth year mandate was removed. If ECNL was the leader in removing it, their efforts worked, they won.

There's no win, your spiritual leader Christian Lavars even said that he questions US Soccer's ability to mandate BY in one of his podcasts. What he meant by this is ECNL could easily adopt rules that essentially make their league SY even within a BY context.

Think of this a different way. If Ford Chevy Toyota etc all had to make a single decision about how they sell cars and everyone would agree to sell cars that way from then on would they be able to?

The answer is no. This is why ECNL and US Club wanted US Soccer to mandate SY. US Soccer saw through what they were trying to do and put it on leagues themselves to agree on the rules. (Knowing that they all hate each other and can't agree on anything)

Got it, so US Soccer is completely inept as a governing body. What a petty, cut off your nose to spite your face response if that was actually their thought process.

Sorry if you didn't get the response you wanted. However this is how the game is played. ECNL thought they could stand behind US Culb and use astroturfing campaigns and parents to pressure US Soccer. US Soccer represents much more than youth girls competitive interests.

Parents never seem to figure out that Soccer leadership knows that within 3-5 years most of the most vocal critics, proponents, whatever will filter away and a new crop of critics and proponents will replace them. There is no need to make quick changes on anything.

You are the same guy in every thread, astroturfing...ECNL is US Club. Who is the soccer leadership? are they the same as the deep state?

Why can't you just stick to the facts and not try to spin them into something they aren't.

ECNL USYS and AYSO seem to agree to SY that's fine. There's all kinds of other leagues that haven't relayed their position.

US Soccer has stated everyone is free to do what works best for them in 2026.

Bro...its over. Goodbye BY. Your Q1 kid will have to compete with their classmates. Get over it. You'll be fine. They'll be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need some inside info!!
Someone has had to heard something by now that the ECNL/US Club is going to do!
Spill the beans

Since you haven't figured it out ECNL has realized that their astroturf campaign isn't working.

US Soccer is allowing leagues to do whatever they want in 2026. Different leagues will need to all negotiate with each other if want to have the same rules.

I highly doubt different leagues will be able to work together. Which is why ECNL wanted US Soccer to mandate some kind of change.

Birth year mandate was removed. If ECNL was the leader in removing it, their efforts worked, they won.

There's no win, your spiritual leader Christian Lavars even said that he questions US Soccer's ability to mandate BY in one of his podcasts. What he meant by this is ECNL could easily adopt rules that essentially make their league SY even within a BY context.

Think of this a different way. If Ford Chevy Toyota etc all had to make a single decision about how they sell cars and everyone would agree to sell cars that way from then on would they be able to?

The answer is no. This is why ECNL and US Club wanted US Soccer to mandate SY. US Soccer saw through what they were trying to do and put it on leagues themselves to agree on the rules. (Knowing that they all hate each other and can't agree on anything)

Got it, so US Soccer is completely inept as a governing body. What a petty, cut off your nose to spite your face response if that was actually their thought process.

Sorry if you didn't get the response you wanted. However this is how the game is played. ECNL thought they could stand behind US Culb and use astroturfing campaigns and parents to pressure US Soccer. US Soccer represents much more than youth girls competitive interests.

Parents never seem to figure out that Soccer leadership knows that within 3-5 years most of the most vocal critics, proponents, whatever will filter away and a new crop of critics and proponents will replace them. There is no need to make quick changes on anything.

You are the same guy in every thread, astroturfing...ECNL is US Club. Who is the soccer leadership? are they the same as the deep state?

Why can't you just stick to the facts and not try to spin them into something they aren't.

ECNL USYS and AYSO seem to agree to SY that's fine. There's all kinds of other leagues that haven't relayed their position.

US Soccer has stated everyone is free to do what works best for them in 2026.

Bro...its over. Goodbye BY. Your Q1 kid will have to compete with their classmates. Get over it. You'll be fine. They'll be fine.

Seems so wired we had a system to allow school betas to avoid there older classmates. Why would anyone think this was going to work in the USA??

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need some inside info!!
Someone has had to heard something by now that the ECNL/US Club is going to do!
Spill the beans

Since you haven't figured it out ECNL has realized that their astroturf campaign isn't working.

US Soccer is allowing leagues to do whatever they want in 2026. Different leagues will need to all negotiate with each other if want to have the same rules.

I highly doubt different leagues will be able to work together. Which is why ECNL wanted US Soccer to mandate some kind of change.

Birth year mandate was removed. If ECNL was the leader in removing it, their efforts worked, they won.

There's no win, your spiritual leader Christian Lavars even said that he questions US Soccer's ability to mandate BY in one of his podcasts. What he meant by this is ECNL could easily adopt rules that essentially make their league SY even within a BY context.

Think of this a different way. If Ford Chevy Toyota etc all had to make a single decision about how they sell cars and everyone would agree to sell cars that way from then on would they be able to?

The answer is no. This is why ECNL and US Club wanted US Soccer to mandate SY. US Soccer saw through what they were trying to do and put it on leagues themselves to agree on the rules. (Knowing that they all hate each other and can't agree on anything)

Got it, so US Soccer is completely inept as a governing body. What a petty, cut off your nose to spite your face response if that was actually their thought process.

Sorry if you didn't get the response you wanted. However this is how the game is played. ECNL thought they could stand behind US Culb and use astroturfing campaigns and parents to pressure US Soccer. US Soccer represents much more than youth girls competitive interests.

Parents never seem to figure out that Soccer leadership knows that within 3-5 years most of the most vocal critics, proponents, whatever will filter away and a new crop of critics and proponents will replace them. There is no need to make quick changes on anything.

You are the same guy in every thread, astroturfing...ECNL is US Club. Who is the soccer leadership? are they the same as the deep state?

Why can't you just stick to the facts and not try to spin them into something they aren't.

ECNL USYS and AYSO seem to agree to SY that's fine. There's all kinds of other leagues that haven't relayed their position.

US Soccer has stated everyone is free to do what works best for them in 2026.

Bro...its over. Goodbye BY. Your Q1 kid will have to compete with their classmates. Get over it. You'll be fine. They'll be fine.

Seems so wired we had a system to allow school betas to avoid there older classmates. Why would anyone think this was going to work in the USA??

Because it was implemented by a person that lasted about another 6 months as the USMNT coach...allegedly.

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Its all coming into focus for me. My club is run by school Beta parents. ECNL devilver me from this hell!!

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

They hired US Soccer's compliance person the day after the Nov 22 meeting. They are working on a rollout but these things take time, they are dotting I's and crossing T's.

Many ECNL clubs have already indicated to their membership that there is no change next year, but beyond next year there might be change, the details of which are still TBD.

Yes my clubs director told us the same. No change for next year. Unless ecnl have something up their sleeve no changes will be happening. So if your kid is a 2012 Q3/4 congratulations they never have to be trapped.

My kid is 2012 Q4. How do you mean? She was trapped in 2024. Unfortunately looks like she'll be trapped in 2025. And MAYBE by 8th grade she'll actually get to play with her own grade and avoid some of the real issues with being trapped. Are you just referencing the 8th grade situation or am I missing something? 2025 would be ideal because its the first year of ECNL for 7th graders and she can align with a team that'll hopefully stay together for a while.

On paper, unless she played up on a team that had/has HS freshmen OR skipped a grade(s), she wouldn't be trapped until 26-27. Or, please enlighten us on how she was trapped this year AND next year? I guess it wouldn't surprise that there are even more scenarios with the US having so many different schooling choices/systems.

It's my self definition of trapped. I see trapped as she can't play with her grade. And it's almost worse knowing she WILL be playing with her grade but not yet! For the 6-8th grade group this issue is urgent. Its been a broken system and the sooner its fixed the more likely to ensure we don't get early dropout.

There is an actual definition for a trapped player. You don't get to self define.

You must have a better dictionary than I do because it was nowhere to be found in my websters. Regardless, the implications for my daughter getting established this year vs next at this age are huge. The ECNL teams are already established for 2012. We did GA this year (a mistake I'd rather not repeat). I'd like to get her into the ECNL ecosystem sooner than later but one, it'll be hard to disrupt a current team as a November bday if they are all older and in the system. Two, that's alot of effort for one year and we are there are tons of competitive teams so getting this figured out would likely change her development path. Not the end of the world but obviously better to do this asap.

I wouldnt worry too much. The competivive balance will make sure your daughter has the options you want. 50% of ECNL Rosters in 24 months will be September to December.

Good point and she's lucky it'll be her 8th grade year in 2026.

Clubs who refuse to adapt won't win.... Just keep your daughter healthy and she will get her spot if she can play. Check out the 2013's if you want to see what she has to compete with. I know you will be happy after you do.

Nope, maybe in 6 years when all thr youngers come up but not immediately.

I've seen some seriously taleted kids try playing a year up and not sniff the field at a top 5 ECNL program in the country. I think people will be really shocked when RAE is layed out for all to see. This might be the best thing to ever happen to US youth soccer.

I haven't read this whole thread, so maybe it's already been said. But this has zero effect on RAE other than to e the line.

Also unclear is if all the top leagues switch and if some keep BY, it perhaps leads to a system where RAE is eventually minimized.

The only way to minimize RAE is to have teams and leagues for Late Developers only.

Curious, can you explain how that would work?

I'll try to make it simple since most people here aren't true soccer folks

(keeping in mind our pay-to-play system will make it almost impossible to achieve below the real Academies level)

There would be real and measurable objective criteria markers to be considered a late developer.
btw Late Developers are high skilled quality players with clear potential being only held back by slower maturation. Not just small kids.

A club like Bethesda would have all 2012 late developers on a 2012 'B' team which would have the same levels of coaching, training and play in MLS Next against other legitimate late developer teams.

Not a NAL team and league with kids who don't have the quality to make a MLS Next team.
Those players of course will occasionally play with the 'A' team.

As said, the system and culture doesn't exist to facilitate this.

I feel like you are asking me to be a jerk to you. I am not taking the bait this time.

You're obviously not the person who asked how it would work
That aside, how did you in sane rationality think your "jerk" response makes any sense whatsoever?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its all coming into focus for me. My club is run by school Beta parents. ECNL devilver me from this hell!!

The everyone is even, everyone gets a medal beta parernts are annoying. Unfortunately they're the bread and butter for pay to play clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its all coming into focus for me. My club is run by school Beta parents. ECNL devilver me from this hell!!

The everyone is even, everyone gets a medal beta parernts are annoying. Unfortunately they're the bread and butter for pay to play clubs.

This is so true, The beta's are big mad right now with the change back to SY.

[Anonymous]

• U.S. Soccer will build resources and tools to support members.
o There will be webinars, training, and feedback forums for members and leagues to
support their decision-making and participants with navigating a change.
o U.S. Soccer will maintain a website that hosts the considerations, best practices,
and tracks the decisions member organizations / leagues make over time.

Besides some statements from leagues about their specific plans, the next interesting piece of news will be USSF's best practices on the choice of cutoffs. They said it's coming, but it may not be for a few more months. Clearly they want top leagues to stay BY, but with the freedom to choose, USSF can't just give nonsense reasons and hand-waving about other countries' cutoffs anymore. They will need to attempt to be convincing that the top leagues are better off, for their own benefit, if they stay BY. And at the same time, they will have to acknowledge all the downsides of BY that they've collected. No one wants to make the case that BY is better for American soccer, rather just saying it's not worth changing, but that case is going to have to be made soon. If it's not, this is just a face-saving exercise as everyone "chooses" to switch back to SY.

[Anonymous]

"U.S. Soccer will build resources and tools to support members.
o There will be webinars, training, and feedback forums for members and leagues to
support their decision-making and participants with navigating a change.
o U.S. Soccer will maintain a website that hosts the considerations, best practices,
and tracks the decisions member organizations / leagues make over time."

This is just Angry Beta management.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

• U.S. Soccer will build resources and tools to support members.
o There will be webinars, training, and feedback forums for members and leagues to
support their decision-making and participants with navigating a change.
o U.S. Soccer will maintain a website that hosts the considerations, best practices,
and tracks the decisions member organizations / leagues make over time.

Besides some statements from leagues about their specific plans, the next interesting piece of news will be USSF's best practices on the choice of cutoffs. They said it's coming, but it may not be for a few more months. Clearly they want top leagues to stay BY, but with the freedom to choose, USSF can't just give nonsense reasons and hand-waving about other countries' cutoffs anymore. They will need to attempt to be convincing that the top leagues are better off, for their own benefit, if they stay BY. And at the same time, they will have to acknowledge all the downsides of BY that they've collected. No one wants to make the case that BY is better for American soccer, rather just saying it's not worth changing, but that case is going to have to be made soon. If it's not, this is just a face-saving exercise as everyone "chooses" to switch back to SY.

This is 100% correct.

Providing resources for leagues to work together on specific decisions is good.

If everyone works together to make a decision the likelihood of it lasting is much higher.