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Anonymous
They can move Centreville kids to Chantilly, Chantilly kids to Westfield, and Westfield kids to Herndon, or leave Chantilly out of it and move Centreville kids to Westfield and Westfield kids to Herndon. Either would avoid wasting money on Centreville, which should only be expanded to 2500. |
Anonymous
| The Fairfax City agreement dates to 1978 versus the 60s. The city has a lot of county kids in it's schools. The county needs the seats at least until they expand Centerville or build the pi in the sky western high school. Another issue possibly larger more immediate problem is seats in Elementary school, Providence ES is at least 1/3 county kids including two large relatively low-income apartments on the city side of 66 but not in the city. If you kill the city agreement those kids need to go to Oakton or Mosaic and that would be an immediate issue. I think it's three loaded buses from those two complexes alone, never mind the neighborhoods across the street from Oakmont Rec and Flint High Upper School. Also the county is redeveloping an office building to townhouse across from Oakmont and the site work is in progress and the AT&T project of hundreds of town houses and condos. Of course, if Karl Firsch hadn't killed the Blake Lane School for the dog park and his Dunn Loring boondoggle the looming elementary capacity problem wouldn't be an issue. The City is not going to add more trailers to Providence beyond the two mostly used for specials. THe City and the County basically need each other, the City needs county kids to not have a crazy small high school and the county especially needs Providence and Katherine Johnson for seats. |
Anonymous
| Part of the capacity problem goes back to the baby bomb and post war eras and so many schools built in the eastern and central part of the county. Capacity was needed then the boomers grew up and capacity was way down due to less kids and the younger families moving west. In Central Fairfax you could almost walk between Madison, Oakton, Fairfax and Woodson. There is about 2 miles between Madison, Oakton and Fairfax and 3 miles between Fairfax and Woodson if you use local streets. |
Anonymous
FCPS School profile demographics are based on June membership. There's a lag from Facilities dashboard which is Sept. The dashboad includes total transfers for AAP [bus], sped [bus], immersion, student transfer regulation. The 2nd transfer data set is again Sept membership and shows the actual count per site transferring in. If <10 it shows 1. School Profiles average AAP level iv for SY21-22, 22-23,23-24/SY24-25 AAP total transfer in, per school: Carson : oakton 807 / SY24-25 266 AAP transfer in, total from Franklin 273- Franklin : chantilly 203 Liberty : centreville 181 Rocky Run : chantilly 544/ SY24-25 225 AAP transfer in, totals from Franklin 29+Liberty 124 + Stone 86 Stone : westfield 150 So is this the type of stuff that should be looked at in what is supposed to be a comprehensive review? Check the numbers on the 2 FCPS sources-school profiles and facilities dashboard. Year opened: Liberty [serve Centreville/Clifton area as per FCPS] 2002 Carson 1998, Stone 1991 |
Anonymous
I think you know what you are doing, but I really don't understand. Could you summarize in plain English what this proves? |
Anonymous
The numbers are so high from liberty and stone because they don’t have Local Level IV. |
Anonymous
Franklin has AAP and sends more kids than Stone and Liberty combined. The Franklin kids should not be at Carson, there are then enough to have a robust program at Franklin. |
Anonymous
I am a different anti-expansion person. The County is running a deficiet. Why are we spending additional money on an expansion when there are seats at other schools that are close by? And when we know that the enrollment is going to drop in the next few years, so those extra seats are not going to be needed? I am totally fine with eliminating IB and saving money there as well. I think that is a great idea. You can also save money by eliminating the AAP centers, both MS and ES. Smaller schools can use the cluster model with additional pullouts like other schools have started to do. The reality is that Advanced Math is about the only area of acceleration in AAP and every ES should be able to set up an Advanced Math class/group even if it starts in 5th grade. All of those changes save millions of dollars, which we can put into keeping monitors and Aides at the schools to help the Teachers with their planning and grading time. Renovate the buildings but you don't have to expand them. There is a reason why Loundon County adjust borders regularly, they are shifting kids based on population changes. They have more space to build new buildings, which also requires boundary adjustments. Lots of areas adjust boundaries based on poulation shifts. The only places that are adding extentions are places without land and without schools that have seats. |
Anonymous
I remember seeing something about having schools with 3000 students is very limiting to the opportunities available because of the sheer number of kids competing for spots in clubs and sports. I think it was in reference to WSHS and Chantilly being so overcrowded. Meanwhile, they want to create a 3000 person HS in centreville. It doesn’t make sense. |
Anonymous
I can read this poster. They are reiterating that a lot of schools have a lot of kids who live outside the base boundaries. First, they are saying FCPS displays enrollments and transfers as follows: * Individual school profiles on the FCPS web site reflect enrollment at the end of the school year (June) * FCPS's capacity dashboard reflects enrollment at the beginning of the school year (September) * FCPS's capacity dashboard reflects transfers at the beginning of the school year (September). Second, they are saying transfers into schools can reflect a variety of factors: AAP, Special Education, language immersion, and other transfers pursuant to the student transfer regulation (such as from an IB schoool to an AP school and vice versa). FCPS provides busing for AAP and Special Education students, which costs additional money to taxpayers, whereas families have to arrange for transportion when a kid transfers for a language immersion program or pursuant to the student transfer regulation. Third, they are pointing out the impact for some specific schools: * For Carson (Oakton pyramid), the average number of LLIV-eligible students over the four-year period from the 2021-22 school year to the current school year is 807. Then they are saying there are 273 total transfers this year to Carson from Franklin, and perhaps that 266 of them are for AAP. * For Franklin (Chantilly pyramid), the average number of LLIV-eligible students over the four-year period is 203. * For Liberty (Centreville pyramid), the average number of LLIV-eligible students over the four-year period is 181. * For Rocky Run (Chantilly pyramid), the average number of LLIV-eligible students over the four-year period is 544. In the current school year, there are 29, 124, and 86 transfers into Rocky Run fro Franklin, Liberty, and Stone, respectively, and 225 transfers in total for AAP. * For Stone (Westfield pyramid), the average number of LLIV-eligible students over the four-year period is 150. It's being held out as relevant data if people want to think about the potential impact if all these middle schools had AAP centers and were not sending kids to other schools like Carson and Rocky Run. It could impact school enrollments, costs, and potential boundary changes - right now all the Thru proposals are based on the assumption that FCPS continues to operate AAP centers just the way it has been. |
Anonymous
You need to be realistic. Why not have breathing room there? In any case, FCPS always changes capacity around according to their whims on "programming." I just checked numbers. There are 25 high schools in FCPS--including TJ and excluding academies and special ed. There are 59,000-60000 high school students. Divide that by 25 and you get an average of 2300 to 2400 students per school. Of course, TJ is limited to a lower amount, I think. So, you will never be able to adjust schools to have 2000 as an earlier poster desires. And, some schools will necessarily have more. That is a fact. And, it will vary from time to time. Chantilly and Centreville are both projected to lose membership and should remain stable. Chantilly boundary is currently compact and should be left alone. It works and has worked for a long time. Sending kids to Oakton when a big development is planned close to Oakton makes no sense. |
Anonymous
I would get every high school up to the same baseline of 2500 permanent seats, especially at schools like Chantilly and McLean where there is a demonstrated need. I would not go above 2500 just because they've expanded some schools over 2700 or even to 3000 like Westfield and West Potomac. Then, once we have every school at a reasonable baseline for its enrollment, redistrict as needed. Do not play winners and losers where schools that just happened to get fancy renovations and additions get to sit pretty and the schools that haven't come up get the shaft yet again. |
Anonymous
We should not expand Centreville to 3000. 2500 is enough. Kids can be moved to take advantage of the Herndon expansion. That additional 500 seats at Centreville would cost extra money that could be better spent on expansions to other schools. |
Anonymous
If you want to leave the Chantilly boundary alone that's all the more reason to cap the Centreville expansion to 2500. The only justification that ever made sense, and it still was a bad idea, was to make Centreville so big it could take some kids from Chantilly. |
Anonymous
They don’t want 3000 kids at their school. They want a 3000-seat school that can accommodate Willow Springs and all the current Centreville feeders with hundreds of empty seats as a buffer. Oink, oink. |