ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

I just don’t see them doing anything major as they have many clubs and leagues under their umbrella telling them not to start for Fall 25.

ECNL is the only wild card that “might” but even then I see it as more likely that they just keep things the same until Fall 26.

I don't think it will be a hard switch for ECNL. If possible, they would prefer a smooth transition starting 25/26 and will not let it be wasted.

It sounds like they may just be focusing on the 2011-2013 at the moment, as the timing of this is most critical to those age groups.

Why is timing most critical to this group vs others? Many other groups impacted most notably 2008/2009…

The 13's will be moving to 11v11 in the fall, the 12's will be heading into their trapped year and the 11's have trapped players that could still be saved. I am sure every age group is critical to someone. I just see these age groups as being most in flux.

You are off 1 year on 2012s for next season (although yes, that's the year for 26-27) ... They are 8th-7th graders next season. It's 2011s with the 9th-8th split.

You are correct, the 12's wouldn't be trapped quite yet.

2012 not trapped next year but if the bulk of Q3/4 from 2011 drop down to their age group, there are going to be too many players in the age group, and not enough in the 2011 age group. I don't see how ECNL can just do one year's age group without causing a mess. Whatever temp solution they come up with will have to be to all groups or it will drive half the 2012's out of ECNL and leave them shot for 2011 teams.

Just speaking from my small part of the world, but there might only be maybe 2 or 3 kids from each age group that this would be applicable too. I don't think it will gut whole age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread should give everyone full confidence that the poor youth soccer culture in this country won't be improving anytime soon.

Neurotic parents focused on the wrong things and don't care enough to learn the right things.
Just want to have a say and be heard

You're not even close but I guess that's an easy anecdote. The reality is you need to hate the game, not the players (or their parents). I didn't create this insane web of alphabet soup clubs nor the competitive structure we play in. I didn't create the best path to college recruiting, it was laid long before I got here. My daughter has a dream of playing college soccer. She's a very good 2013, playing up on NPL and Im figuring out what to do for next year. She trapped and its silly she doesn't have the option to play with her classmates but again, this is the game I was given. I'm not asking for change (somebody has to be impacted by RAE and my kid is good enough to overcome it) but if change is coming it's ideally this year. I'd hate for her to go ECNL and fall in love with a team for one season, only to switch everything around. My concern isn't making a team, its being on a top 10 national team and seeing it fall apart when we reshuffle.

Call me neurotic if its easier for you. Im doing what I can to learn this system and help my kid in every way possible for her future. I'd love a simpler, more easy going system but apprentely thats not an option in my area.

No need to worry if your child is on a top 10 national team. Any reshuffle (especially a slight age change by a few months only) will not change anything for teams at that level so he or she should definitely not be concerned about that.

I'm not worried at all. My daughter will end up where she should. But the dirty secret here is that putting her on a team with 2014's is gift. She'll then be playing with a top 10 national club AND she'll be one of the best in that age bracket, which comes with exposure opportunities and invites she wouldn't have otherwise. Again, didn't request the gift but not going to turn it down either.

Lots of discussion on here about 'don't worry, your kid will make the team if they are good enough'. Trapped players at high level aren't concerned with making the team. They are worried about being first team regionals vs second team. They are worried about power 5 schools coming by their showcase vs lower level D1. When you get to that level and know how things work its a different experience to be on the team vs best in a competitive region.

You are 100% corr3ct unfortunately there's a bunch of B team parents who think SY is their ticket to the A team. It's not, and once they figure it out they'll move onto the next excuse.

I'm curious why most ppl care? Is it simply ego? If you aren't pushing to make the national team or play college ball for one of the top universities in the country then none of this matters. Keep little Suzy or Tommy out there kicking the ball and having fun with great teammates and coaches that double as mentors. If you're kid is in 8th grade and not already being chased by college coaches then at best you're looking at D2 schools and maybe low level D1's. All of which are on the table for a few more years so chill out. If your kid was one of the best in the country you'd know it by now I promise you. Outside the best of the best there are 20,000 other opportunities to play college soccer.

You’re not in the DMV, right? Because parents of ECNL players (and legitimate future ECNL players) in this area don’t realize our best teams and players, with rare exceptions, are not nearly as good as we think they are relative to other parts of the country. With rare exceptions, our coaches are terrible, relative to other parts of the country. We have way too many ECNL teams for the depth of the talent pool in this area, before even factoring in the GA teams. So when comparing our Suzy or Tommy to the local talent, we actually think they’re good, and they are, but only relative to the local talent, which isn’t so good. And that’s before you get to the other 90% of players in the area who can’t touch even our ECNL / GA teams.

I’m speaking only of the girls side, although I suspect it’s not dissimilar for boys.

Not in the DMV but that sounds terrible. As ECNL expands I wonder how much that problem will get worse. Tons of teams wearing the patch and making the assumption they in the top percentage of players nationwide. What is really scary to me is GA. My younger daughter is deciding between GA (which is nearby) or ECNL (which is 1 hour away). I SOOO wish the GA team was good. I could care less about the letters at her age, if she's good enough she'll figure it out later but wow, the team is terrible. They are highly ranked team in GA but what they do hardly looks like soccer to me compared the ECNL teams. I'm nervous if she plays there for 2 years she'll never catch up with her ECNL counterparts.

That's a lot of smoke you're blowing.

Which GA + ECNL clubs are you referring to?

If you decide to drive 2 hours a day for youth soccer make sure you pick up an ECNL hat.

If only it was that easy…

GA hats ugly as hell though. That’s why people don’t wear them.

Not a bad second option though.

If you went to a Commies Aka Ommanders game would you wear a Commanders hat or would you wear a hat that says NFL?

This is the joke that you obviously don't get.

Also parents from sucky ECNL teams want to look like they belong even when everyone would laugh at them if they wore a hat from the club their kid plays on.

Hence the ECNL Hat, several levels of pathetic all wrapped into one physical garment.

When he gets asked what team his kid plays for he says ECNL.

I get the knock on the ECNL hat, but I'm betting a lot of parents making the joke do essentially the same thing (without the hat) even if they are at a good club. To borrow a common joke about Harvard grads:

How do you know someone's kid is on the ECNL/GA team at their club? Just wait a minute, they'll tell you.

Now youth soccer has a rankings app so everyone knows which clubs are good or bad regardless of the league they play in. I remember before the rankings app and websites or publications would randomly list rankings based on whatever criteria they wanted. (Or none at all)

You can't hide behind a brand or league or whatever anymore. Even though obviously many still try to.

Rankings apps are nonsense
Easily manipulated

Not with youth soccer. The Rankings App is pretty accurate.

The only real "manipulation" occurs when GA, ECNL or whatever league kicks in and the top teams from different leagues stop playing each other.

Accurate about what exactly?

lol. Its a youth soccer rankings app. Where's the confusion? Its accurate about...rankings. Not even sure how to answer this. You know what rankings means right? How one team compares to another. We use before every tournament to get a sense of the competition. If you want to know who is the 5th or 8th best team in the country I'm not sure this is your tool. But if you're going to a tournament and playing 3 teams you've never heard of. The app gives you VERY good sense of the level of competition. It'll even predict outcomes which is scary accurate in most cases. Its directional but to PP point, back in the day a clubs rank was self reported. You can imagine where each club placed themselves in the hierarchy.

How does the App tell you how the other team plays so you can prepare?

How does the app tell you how the competition plays?? I can't tell if you're a serious person or not, lol. I'm guessing you want to say 'If the app can't go out and play and win the game for our team then it's completely useless'? Is that where your question goes? Once again for the slow learners in the back.....ITS A RANKINGS APP. IT RANKS. It wont kick the ball for you. It won't coach your team. It won't recruit players. And it isn't perfect. It ranks. Thats it. Its good at it. What other questions?

And no, it won't do your taxes.

Then it's useless

The paid version shows expected wins/losses by number of goals.

It's right more often than it's wrong.[/quote

and the value is?
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The value is...
Identifying teams for friendlies
Identifying teams that should play each other in tournaments
Coaches + players have a good idea what kind of team they're going to play against.
Etc

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Anonymous wrote:This thread should give everyone full confidence that the poor youth soccer culture in this country won't be improving anytime soon.

Neurotic parents focused on the wrong things and don't care enough to learn the right things.
Just want to have a say and be heard

You're not even close but I guess that's an easy anecdote. The reality is you need to hate the game, not the players (or their parents). I didn't create this insane web of alphabet soup clubs nor the competitive structure we play in. I didn't create the best path to college recruiting, it was laid long before I got here. My daughter has a dream of playing college soccer. She's a very good 2013, playing up on NPL and Im figuring out what to do for next year. She trapped and its silly she doesn't have the option to play with her classmates but again, this is the game I was given. I'm not asking for change (somebody has to be impacted by RAE and my kid is good enough to overcome it) but if change is coming it's ideally this year. I'd hate for her to go ECNL and fall in love with a team for one season, only to switch everything around. My concern isn't making a team, its being on a top 10 national team and seeing it fall apart when we reshuffle.

Call me neurotic if its easier for you. Im doing what I can to learn this system and help my kid in every way possible for her future. I'd love a simpler, more easy going system but apprentely thats not an option in my area.

No need to worry if your child is on a top 10 national team. Any reshuffle (especially a slight age change by a few months only) will not change anything for teams at that level so he or she should definitely not be concerned about that.

I'm not worried at all. My daughter will end up where she should. But the dirty secret here is that putting her on a team with 2014's is gift. She'll then be playing with a top 10 national club AND she'll be one of the best in that age bracket, which comes with exposure opportunities and invites she wouldn't have otherwise. Again, didn't request the gift but not going to turn it down either.

Lots of discussion on here about 'don't worry, your kid will make the team if they are good enough'. Trapped players at high level aren't concerned with making the team. They are worried about being first team regionals vs second team. They are worried about power 5 schools coming by their showcase vs lower level D1. When you get to that level and know how things work its a different experience to be on the team vs best in a competitive region.

You are 100% corr3ct unfortunately there's a bunch of B team parents who think SY is their ticket to the A team. It's not, and once they figure it out they'll move onto the next excuse.

I'm curious why most ppl care? Is it simply ego? If you aren't pushing to make the national team or play college ball for one of the top universities in the country then none of this matters. Keep little Suzy or Tommy out there kicking the ball and having fun with great teammates and coaches that double as mentors. If you're kid is in 8th grade and not already being chased by college coaches then at best you're looking at D2 schools and maybe low level D1's. All of which are on the table for a few more years so chill out. If your kid was one of the best in the country you'd know it by now I promise you. Outside the best of the best there are 20,000 other opportunities to play college soccer.

You’re not in the DMV, right? Because parents of ECNL players (and legitimate future ECNL players) in this area don’t realize our best teams and players, with rare exceptions, are not nearly as good as we think they are relative to other parts of the country. With rare exceptions, our coaches are terrible, relative to other parts of the country. We have way too many ECNL teams for the depth of the talent pool in this area, before even factoring in the GA teams. So when comparing our Suzy or Tommy to the local talent, we actually think they’re good, and they are, but only relative to the local talent, which isn’t so good. And that’s before you get to the other 90% of players in the area who can’t touch even our ECNL / GA teams.

I’m speaking only of the girls side, although I suspect it’s not dissimilar for boys.

Not in the DMV but that sounds terrible. As ECNL expands I wonder how much that problem will get worse. Tons of teams wearing the patch and making the assumption they in the top percentage of players nationwide. What is really scary to me is GA. My younger daughter is deciding between GA (which is nearby) or ECNL (which is 1 hour away). I SOOO wish the GA team was good. I could care less about the letters at her age, if she's good enough she'll figure it out later but wow, the team is terrible. They are highly ranked team in GA but what they do hardly looks like soccer to me compared the ECNL teams. I'm nervous if she plays there for 2 years she'll never catch up with her ECNL counterparts.

That's a lot of smoke you're blowing.

Which GA + ECNL clubs are you referring to?

If you decide to drive 2 hours a day for youth soccer make sure you pick up an ECNL hat.

If only it was that easy…

GA hats ugly as hell though. That’s why people don’t wear them.

Not a bad second option though.

If you went to a Commies Aka Ommanders game would you wear a Commanders hat or would you wear a hat that says NFL?

This is the joke that you obviously don't get.

Also parents from sucky ECNL teams want to look like they belong even when everyone would laugh at them if they wore a hat from the club their kid plays on.

Hence the ECNL Hat, several levels of pathetic all wrapped into one physical garment.

When he gets asked what team his kid plays for he says ECNL.

I get the knock on the ECNL hat, but I'm betting a lot of parents making the joke do essentially the same thing (without the hat) even if they are at a good club. To borrow a common joke about Harvard grads:

How do you know someone's kid is on the ECNL/GA team at their club? Just wait a minute, they'll tell you.

Now youth soccer has a rankings app so everyone knows which clubs are good or bad regardless of the league they play in. I remember before the rankings app and websites or publications would randomly list rankings based on whatever criteria they wanted. (Or none at all)

You can't hide behind a brand or league or whatever anymore. Even though obviously many still try to.

Rankings apps are nonsense
Easily manipulated

Not with youth soccer. The Rankings App is pretty accurate.

The only real "manipulation" occurs when GA, ECNL or whatever league kicks in and the top teams from different leagues stop playing each other.

Accurate about what exactly?

lol. Its a youth soccer rankings app. Where's the confusion? Its accurate about...rankings. Not even sure how to answer this. You know what rankings means right? How one team compares to another. We use before every tournament to get a sense of the competition. If you want to know who is the 5th or 8th best team in the country I'm not sure this is your tool. But if you're going to a tournament and playing 3 teams you've never heard of. The app gives you VERY good sense of the level of competition. It'll even predict outcomes which is scary accurate in most cases. Its directional but to PP point, back in the day a clubs rank was self reported. You can imagine where each club placed themselves in the hierarchy.

How does the App tell you how the other team plays so you can prepare?

How does the app tell you how the competition plays?? I can't tell if you're a serious person or not, lol. I'm guessing you want to say 'If the app can't go out and play and win the game for our team then it's completely useless'? Is that where your question goes? Once again for the slow learners in the back.....ITS A RANKINGS APP. IT RANKS. It wont kick the ball for you. It won't coach your team. It won't recruit players. And it isn't perfect. It ranks. Thats it. Its good at it. What other questions?

And no, it won't do your taxes.

Then it's useless

The paid version shows expected wins/losses by number of goals.

It's right more often than it's wrong.[/quote

and the value is?
]

The value is...
Identifying teams for friendlies
Identifying teams that should play each other in tournaments
Coaches + players have a good idea what kind of team they're going to play against.
Etc

How does it tell you what type of team you're going to play against?
Does it have team and individual performance stats?

Does it tell you if it's a passing team, possession team, kick and run, build from the back, multiple scorers, rely on #9 ?????

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

They hired US Soccer's compliance person the day after the Nov 22 meeting. They are working on a rollout but these things take time, they are dotting I's and crossing T's.

Many ECNL clubs have already indicated to their membership that there is no change next year, but beyond next year there might be change, the details of which are still TBD.

Yes my clubs director told us the same. No change for next year. Unless ecnl have something up their sleeve no changes will be happening. So if your kid is a 2012 Q3/4 congratulations they never have to be trapped.

My kid is 2012 Q4. How do you mean? She was trapped in 2024. Unfortunately looks like she'll be trapped in 2025. And MAYBE by 8th grade she'll actually get to play with her own grade and avoid some of the real issues with being trapped. Are you just referencing the 8th grade situation or am I missing something? 2025 would be ideal because its the first year of ECNL for 7th graders and she can align with a team that'll hopefully stay together for a while.

On paper, unless she played up on a team that had/has HS freshmen OR skipped a grade(s), she wouldn't be trapped until 26-27. Or, please enlighten us on how she was trapped this year AND next year? I guess it wouldn't surprise that there are even more scenarios with the US having so many different schooling choices/systems.

It's my self definition of trapped. I see trapped as she can't play with her grade. And it's almost worse knowing she WILL be playing with her grade but not yet! For the 6-8th grade group this issue is urgent. Its been a broken system and the sooner its fixed the more likely to ensure we don't get early dropout.

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

I just don’t see them doing anything major as they have many clubs and leagues under their umbrella telling them not to start for Fall 25.

ECNL is the only wild card that “might” but even then I see it as more likely that they just keep things the same until Fall 26.

I don't think it will be a hard switch for ECNL. If possible, they would prefer a smooth transition starting 25/26 and will not let it be wasted.

It sounds like they may just be focusing on the 2011-2013 at the moment, as the timing of this is most critical to those age groups.

Why is timing most critical to this group vs others? Many other groups impacted most notably 2008/2009…

The 13's will be moving to 11v11 in the fall, the 12's will be heading into their trapped year and the 11's have trapped players that could still be saved. I am sure every age group is critical to someone. I just see these age groups as being most in flux.

You are off 1 year on 2012s for next season (although yes, that's the year for 26-27) ... They are 8th-7th graders next season. It's 2011s with the 9th-8th split.

You are correct, the 12's wouldn't be trapped quite yet.

2012 not trapped next year but if the bulk of Q3/4 from 2011 drop down to their age group, there are going to be too many players in the age group, and not enough in the 2011 age group. I don't see how ECNL can just do one year's age group without causing a mess. Whatever temp solution they come up with will have to be to all groups or it will drive half the 2012's out of ECNL and leave them shot for 2011 teams.

Just speaking from my small part of the world, but there might only be maybe 2 or 3 kids from each age group that this would be applicable too. I don't think it will gut whole age groups.

Which is why I think the most likely scenario is 2-3 waivers per team to get 2025 moving in the right direction. There are a million options to move the needle toward SY without wholesale change. Simply saying act like nothing is changing in 2025 and in 2026 we're blowing up the whole system feels like the wrong approach but what do I know.

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The value is...
Identifying teams for friendlies
Identifying teams that should play each other in tournaments
Coaches + players have a good idea what kind of team they're going to play against.
Etc

How is this not obvious, lol. Just when I think we can't dumb this thread down any further we get daily reminders on where we're at. Its a rankings app for soccer. Still not obvious what it does and what the value is? Cracks me up...

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

I just don’t see them doing anything major as they have many clubs and leagues under their umbrella telling them not to start for Fall 25.

ECNL is the only wild card that “might” but even then I see it as more likely that they just keep things the same until Fall 26.

I don't think it will be a hard switch for ECNL. If possible, they would prefer a smooth transition starting 25/26 and will not let it be wasted.

It sounds like they may just be focusing on the 2011-2013 at the moment, as the timing of this is most critical to those age groups.

Why is timing most critical to this group vs others? Many other groups impacted most notably 2008/2009…

The 13's will be moving to 11v11 in the fall, the 12's will be heading into their trapped year and the 11's have trapped players that could still be saved. I am sure every age group is critical to someone. I just see these age groups as being most in flux.

You are off 1 year on 2012s for next season (although yes, that's the year for 26-27) ... They are 8th-7th graders next season. It's 2011s with the 9th-8th split.

You are correct, the 12's wouldn't be trapped quite yet.

2012 not trapped next year but if the bulk of Q3/4 from 2011 drop down to their age group, there are going to be too many players in the age group, and not enough in the 2011 age group. I don't see how ECNL can just do one year's age group without causing a mess. Whatever temp solution they come up with will have to be to all groups or it will drive half the 2012's out of ECNL and leave them shot for 2011 teams.

Just speaking from my small part of the world, but there might only be maybe 2 or 3 kids from each age group that this would be applicable too. I don't think it will gut whole age groups.

Which is why I think the most likely scenario is 2-3 waivers per team to get 2025 moving in the right direction. There are a million options to move the needle toward SY without wholesale change. Simply saying act like nothing is changing in 2025 and in 2026 we're blowing up the whole system feels like the wrong approach but what do I know.

2-3 per team per age group would work for one year as a slow implementation of SY but be tricky on who gets resigned. My kid's team has 7 kids born from Aug-Dec.

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The value is...
Identifying teams for friendlies
Identifying teams that should play each other in tournaments
Coaches + players have a good idea what kind of team they're going to play against.
Etc

How is this not obvious, lol. Just when I think we can't dumb this thread down any further we get daily reminders on where we're at. Its a rankings app for soccer. Still not obvious what it does and what the value is? Cracks me up...

How does it tell you what type of team you're going to play against?
Does it have team and individual performance stats?

Does it tell you if it's a passing team, possession team, kick and run, build from the back, multiple scorers, rely on #9 ?????

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

I just don’t see them doing anything major as they have many clubs and leagues under their umbrella telling them not to start for Fall 25.

ECNL is the only wild card that “might” but even then I see it as more likely that they just keep things the same until Fall 26.

I don't think it will be a hard switch for ECNL. If possible, they would prefer a smooth transition starting 25/26 and will not let it be wasted.

It sounds like they may just be focusing on the 2011-2013 at the moment, as the timing of this is most critical to those age groups.

Why is timing most critical to this group vs others? Many other groups impacted most notably 2008/2009…

The 13's will be moving to 11v11 in the fall, the 12's will be heading into their trapped year and the 11's have trapped players that could still be saved. I am sure every age group is critical to someone. I just see these age groups as being most in flux.

You are off 1 year on 2012s for next season (although yes, that's the year for 26-27) ... They are 8th-7th graders next season. It's 2011s with the 9th-8th split.

You are correct, the 12's wouldn't be trapped quite yet.

2012 not trapped next year but if the bulk of Q3/4 from 2011 drop down to their age group, there are going to be too many players in the age group, and not enough in the 2011 age group. I don't see how ECNL can just do one year's age group without causing a mess. Whatever temp solution they come up with will have to be to all groups or it will drive half the 2012's out of ECNL and leave them shot for 2011 teams.

Just speaking from my small part of the world, but there might only be maybe 2 or 3 kids from each age group that this would be applicable too. I don't think it will gut whole age groups.

Which is why I think the most likely scenario is 2-3 waivers per team to get 2025 moving in the right direction. There are a million options to move the needle toward SY without wholesale change. Simply saying act like nothing is changing in 2025 and in 2026 we're blowing up the whole system feels like the wrong approach but what do I know.

2-3 per team per age group would work for one year as a slow implementation of SY but be tricky on who gets resigned. My kid's team has 7 kids born from Aug-Dec.

That will be the crux and probably why some clubs have opted not to make any changes until forced by supply/demand.

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

They hired US Soccer's compliance person the day after the Nov 22 meeting. They are working on a rollout but these things take time, they are dotting I's and crossing T's.

Many ECNL clubs have already indicated to their membership that there is no change next year, but beyond next year there might be change, the details of which are still TBD.

Yes my clubs director told us the same. No change for next year. Unless ecnl have something up their sleeve no changes will be happening. So if your kid is a 2012 Q3/4 congratulations they never have to be trapped.

My kid is 2012 Q4. How do you mean? She was trapped in 2024. Unfortunately looks like she'll be trapped in 2025. And MAYBE by 8th grade she'll actually get to play with her own grade and avoid some of the real issues with being trapped. Are you just referencing the 8th grade situation or am I missing something? 2025 would be ideal because its the first year of ECNL for 7th graders and she can align with a team that'll hopefully stay together for a while.

No kids are trapped up to U14 they are only younger. But if rules are not changed she will eventually be a trapped player.

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

I just don’t see them doing anything major as they have many clubs and leagues under their umbrella telling them not to start for Fall 25.

ECNL is the only wild card that “might” but even then I see it as more likely that they just keep things the same until Fall 26.

I don't think it will be a hard switch for ECNL. If possible, they would prefer a smooth transition starting 25/26 and will not let it be wasted.

It sounds like they may just be focusing on the 2011-2013 at the moment, as the timing of this is most critical to those age groups.

Why is timing most critical to this group vs others? Many other groups impacted most notably 2008/2009…

Dont forget trapped kids at other clubs looking ot move.

The 13's will be moving to 11v11 in the fall, the 12's will be heading into their trapped year and the 11's have trapped players that could still be saved. I am sure every age group is critical to someone. I just see these age groups as being most in flux.

You are off 1 year on 2012s for next season (although yes, that's the year for 26-27) ... They are 8th-7th graders next season. It's 2011s with the 9th-8th split.

You are correct, the 12's wouldn't be trapped quite yet.

2012 not trapped next year but if the bulk of Q3/4 from 2011 drop down to their age group, there are going to be too many players in the age group, and not enough in the 2011 age group. I don't see how ECNL can just do one year's age group without causing a mess. Whatever temp solution they come up with will have to be to all groups or it will drive half the 2012's out of ECNL and leave them shot for 2011 teams.

Just speaking from my small part of the world, but there might only be maybe 2 or 3 kids from each age group that this would be applicable too. I don't think it will gut whole age groups.

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Sorry if this was covered but what if myQ4 kid is in the same grade as a Q1 kid?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this was covered but what if myQ4 kid is in the same grade as a Q1 kid?

The new system isn't about likely about matching grades. It's still using the calendar, but a different date cutoff. So, instead of Jan1-Dec31 (BY -- current system), it'll be Aug1-July31 or Sep1-Aug31 (which likely matches grade but not always).

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Anonymous wrote:When US Club is ready to put a period on the conversation around 2025 they will update their website with the final answer. Hasn't happened yet....and don't tell me it's an IT or software issue. Just let us know division my 2011 is playing in next season. They aren't ready to give you the answer to that yet. Be patient.

They hired US Soccer's compliance person the day after the Nov 22 meeting. They are working on a rollout but these things take time, they are dotting I's and crossing T's.

Many ECNL clubs have already indicated to their membership that there is no change next year, but beyond next year there might be change, the details of which are still TBD.

Yes my clubs director told us the same. No change for next year. Unless ecnl have something up their sleeve no changes will be happening. So if your kid is a 2012 Q3/4 congratulations they never have to be trapped.

My kid is 2012 Q4. How do you mean? She was trapped in 2024. Unfortunately looks like she'll be trapped in 2025. And MAYBE by 8th grade she'll actually get to play with her own grade and avoid some of the real issues with being trapped. Are you just referencing the 8th grade situation or am I missing something? 2025 would be ideal because its the first year of ECNL for 7th graders and she can align with a team that'll hopefully stay together for a while.

On paper, unless she played up on a team that had/has HS freshmen OR skipped a grade(s), she wouldn't be trapped until 26-27. Or, please enlighten us on how she was trapped this year AND next year? I guess it wouldn't surprise that there are even more scenarios with the US having so many different schooling choices/systems.

It's my self definition of trapped. I see trapped as she can't play with her grade. And it's almost worse knowing she WILL be playing with her grade but not yet! For the 6-8th grade group this issue is urgent. Its been a broken system and the sooner its fixed the more likely to ensure we don't get early dropout.

There is an actual definition for a trapped player. You don't get to self define.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this was covered but what if myQ4 kid is in the same grade as a Q1 kid?

Your Q4 kid almost certainly is in the same grade as Q1 kids. What is your question?