FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

AAP kids from Navy who attend Oakton are also at Carson. I suspect that you end up with a decent contingent of Oakton kids at Carson when you look at the percentages.

AAP kids don't count, they self select to go there and the general ed kids from Crossfield don't interact with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

AAP kids from Navy who attend Oakton are also at Carson. I suspect that you end up with a decent contingent of Oakton kids at Carson when you look at the percentages.

Not sure that you will have enough room at Franklin if you put all Oakton kids along with AAP there. Remember, Oak Hill and Lees Corner also currently send AAP to Carson--and there are quite a sizeable amount of them there.

PP here. Just checked dashboard. If I am interpreting it correctly there are around 273 Franklin boundary students attending AAP at Carson. That is certainly enough to justify a center at Franklin. Not sure you can also send Crossfield there, however.

The better solution is to keep everything as is but send Crossfield General ed kids to Franklin so they can make some friends that are actually going to go to their high school.

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No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Centreville has way fewer than 2500. The other schools in the area have higher populations. The schools that are closer to 2000 are way over on the other side of the county. There is new construction in Westfield area.

So, where are you going to send the kids?

Yes, cap the expansion at 2500. Herndon is projected to have over 800 surplus seats in a few years. Find a way to use them and expand other schools rather than expand Centreville to an absurd 3000.

They are not going to put 3000 kids in Centreville. But, they will likely put in more than 2500, if needed.

Fine, let them have trailers. The school itself shouldn’t be expanded above 2500.

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Anonymous wrote:Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

Agree that few want them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t the right thing to do.

For overcrowded schools, yes. Coates and Parklawn have to be addressed. Chantilly and Centerville should be addressed. It sounds like there are some other large schools out there that need to be addressed but that is very different then altering the boundaries across the County.

Why should Chantilly be addressed now that enrollment is declining and a Centreville expansion will begin shortly?

Coates and Parklawn are the only situations that really need to be addressed. Most of what FCPs is proposing is a lot of CYA bullsh*t intended to paper over FCPs’s incompetent facilities planning - for which the solution needs to be hiring better people and investing more prudently rather than just reshuffling kids.

The Centerville expansion should be cancelled because enrollment is dropping. Chantill and Centerville should have been addressed several years back. Yes, the populations are dropping now so there is not a good reason to adress the issues but there should be a mechanism to look at boundary shifts when a school reaches and will maintain over 100% capacity. We should be preventing Chantilly and Centerville and Coates and Parklawn situations, not reacting too late to do anything that actually helps the situation.

Centreville needs a renovation and expansion. It could pull all of Willow Springs Elementary into it and all of Powell. Also, it has the land. Chantilly could move all its academies to Centreville then.

No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Yep. We can move all of Willow Springs into Centreville, but then move the rest of Powell to Chantilly, Oak Hill to Westfield, and the rest of Coates to Herndon. An expansion of Centreville to 3000 is absolutely ridiculous.

Rezoning is ridiculous when the population is getting ready to decline.

At some point the population will increase again.

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We should add capacity where needed based on a demonstrated need, not blind speculation about future growth. Otherwise we waste capital dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:We should add capacity where needed based on a demonstrated need, not blind speculation about future growth. Otherwise we waste capital dollars.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to "catch up" by building a school?

It would be wise to expand Centreville. That neighborhood behind Centreville should be there--not in Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:We should add capacity where needed based on a demonstrated need, not blind speculation about future growth. Otherwise we waste capital dollars.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to "catch up" by building a school?

It would be wise to expand Centreville. That neighborhood behind Centreville should be there--not in Fairfax.

It would be foolish to expand Centreville beyond 2500 seats, just as it was foolish to expand West Potomac to 3000. If you want Willow Springs at Centreville then figure out if it’s going to push Centreville above 2500 and, if so, make the case that other schools should be redistricted to take advantage of the hundreds of empty seats at Herndon.

Let us know as well who you’re planning to send to Fairfax in lieu of the Willow Springs kids or if you’re arguing for FCPS to repudiate its longstanding arrangement with Fairfax City and just leave Fairfax as a school for Fairfax City kids.

You don’t deserve a massive addition when actual overcrowding at other schools remains unaddressed just because you want an insurance policy that Willow Springs will get moved.

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Anonymous wrote:We should add capacity where needed based on a demonstrated need, not blind speculation about future growth. Otherwise we waste capital dollars.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to "catch up" by building a school?

It would be wise to expand Centreville. That neighborhood behind Centreville should be there--not in Fairfax.

It would be foolish to expand Centreville beyond 2500 seats, just as it was foolish to expand West Potomac to 3000. If you want Willow Springs at Centreville then figure out if it’s going to push Centreville above 2500 and, if so, make the case that other schools should be redistricted to take advantage of the hundreds of empty seats at Herndon.

Let us know as well who you’re planning to send to Fairfax in lieu of the Willow Springs kids or if you’re arguing for FCPS to repudiate its longstanding arrangement with Fairfax City and just leave Fairfax as a school for Fairfax City kids.

Herndon High School is 17 miles from Centreville. Fairfax can easily afford to lose Willow Springs. Remember, there is a large residential development going up nearby.

You don’t deserve a massive addition when actual overcrowding at other schools remains unaddressed just because you want an insurance policy that Willow Springs will get moved.

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Anonymous wrote:We should add capacity where needed based on a demonstrated need, not blind speculation about future growth. Otherwise we waste capital dollars.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to "catch up" by building a school?

It would be wise to expand Centreville. That neighborhood behind Centreville should be there--not in Fairfax.

It would be foolish to expand Centreville beyond 2500 seats, just as it was foolish to expand West Potomac to 3000. If you want Willow Springs at Centreville then figure out if it’s going to push Centreville above 2500 and, if so, make the case that other schools should be redistricted to take advantage of the hundreds of empty seats at Herndon.

Let us know as well who you’re planning to send to Fairfax in lieu of the Willow Springs kids or if you’re arguing for FCPS to repudiate its longstanding arrangement with Fairfax City and just leave Fairfax as a school for Fairfax City kids.

Herndon High School is 17 miles from Centreville. Fairfax can easily afford to lose Willow Springs. Remember, there is a large residential development going up nearby.

You don’t deserve a massive addition when actual overcrowding at other schools remains unaddressed just because you want an insurance policy that Willow Springs will get moved.

Messed up last response:

Herndon High School is 17 miles from Centreville. Fairfax can easily afford to lose Willow Springs. Remember, there is a large residential development going up nearby.

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Anonymous wrote:We should add capacity where needed based on a demonstrated need, not blind speculation about future growth. Otherwise we waste capital dollars.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to "catch up" by building a school?

It would be wise to expand Centreville. That neighborhood behind Centreville should be there--not in Fairfax.

It would be foolish to expand Centreville beyond 2500 seats, just as it was foolish to expand West Potomac to 3000. If you want Willow Springs at Centreville then figure out if it’s going to push Centreville above 2500 and, if so, make the case that other schools should be redistricted to take advantage of the hundreds of empty seats at Herndon.

Let us know as well who you’re planning to send to Fairfax in lieu of the Willow Springs kids or if you’re arguing for FCPS to repudiate its longstanding arrangement with Fairfax City and just leave Fairfax as a school for Fairfax City kids.

Herndon High School is 17 miles from Centreville. Fairfax can easily afford to lose Willow Springs. Remember, there is a large residential development going up nearby.

You don’t deserve a massive addition when actual overcrowding at other schools remains unaddressed just because you want an insurance policy that Willow Springs will get moved.

Messed up last response:

Herndon High School is 17 miles from Centreville. Fairfax can easily afford to lose Willow Springs. Remember, there is a large residential development going up nearby.

They can move Centreville kids to Westfield or Chantilly and then ultimately move other kids to Herndon. They wouldn’t move from Centreville directly to Herndon.

Moving Willow Springs out of Fairfax would leave it with only three ES in its pyramid and some other kids from split feeders. Not enough for a viable FCPS HS without other moves.

Expanding Centreville to 3000 is a ridiculous waste of money when there are hundreds of empty seats at Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:FIX RACHEL CARSON SPLIT FEEDER NOW

How would you fix it? Which schools should it feed?

Remove AAP at the middle school level/no student should be allowed to select a center school if their local school has AAP.

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But this should go for elementary schools too.

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Anonymous wrote:FIX RACHEL CARSON SPLIT FEEDER NOW

How would you fix it? Which schools should it feed?

Remove AAP at the middle school level/no student should be allowed to select a center school if their local school has AAP.

+100
But this should go for elementary schools too.

Yes! The AAP centers are divisive, unpredictable, and cause too many issues. Should all be local AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

AAP kids from Navy who attend Oakton are also at Carson. I suspect that you end up with a decent contingent of Oakton kids at Carson when you look at the percentages.

Not sure that you will have enough room at Franklin if you put all Oakton kids along with AAP there. Remember, Oak Hill and Lees Corner also currently send AAP to Carson--and there are quite a sizeable amount of them there.

PP here. Just checked dashboard. If I am interpreting it correctly there are around 273 Franklin boundary students attending AAP at Carson. That is certainly enough to justify a center at Franklin. Not sure you can also send Crossfield there, however.

The better solution is to keep everything as is but send Crossfield General ed kids to Franklin so they can make some friends that are actually going to go to their high school.

No, that is not a better solution. Not even remotely. Just send all the Franklin kids back to their base school. They already have a strong AAP program at Franklin. The only problem with it is that it's small. If they send all the Franklin kids back to Franklin, the program will be much bigger, which will eliminate the only weakness it has.

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Anonymous wrote:Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

Agree that few want them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t the right thing to do.

For overcrowded schools, yes. Coates and Parklawn have to be addressed. Chantilly and Centerville should be addressed. It sounds like there are some other large schools out there that need to be addressed but that is very different then altering the boundaries across the County.

Why should Chantilly be addressed now that enrollment is declining and a Centreville expansion will begin shortly?

Coates and Parklawn are the only situations that really need to be addressed. Most of what FCPs is proposing is a lot of CYA bullsh*t intended to paper over FCPs’s incompetent facilities planning - for which the solution needs to be hiring better people and investing more prudently rather than just reshuffling kids.

The Centerville expansion should be cancelled because enrollment is dropping. Chantill and Centerville should have been addressed several years back. Yes, the populations are dropping now so there is not a good reason to adress the issues but there should be a mechanism to look at boundary shifts when a school reaches and will maintain over 100% capacity. We should be preventing Chantilly and Centerville and Coates and Parklawn situations, not reacting too late to do anything that actually helps the situation.

Centreville needs a renovation and expansion. It could pull all of Willow Springs Elementary into it and all of Powell. Also, it has the land. Chantilly could move all its academies to Centreville then.

No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Yep. We can move all of Willow Springs into Centreville, but then move the rest of Powell to Chantilly, Oak Hill to Westfield, and the rest of Coates to Herndon. An expansion of Centreville to 3000 is absolutely ridiculous.

Rezoning is ridiculous when the population is getting ready to decline.

At some point the population will increase again.

Not in the next 10 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FIX RACHEL CARSON SPLIT FEEDER NOW

How would you fix it? Which schools should it feed?

Remove AAP at the middle school level/no student should be allowed to select a center school if their local school has AAP.

+100
But this should go for elementary schools too.

I disagree for elementary schools.

But middle schools are a different story.