FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

Agree that few want them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t the right thing to do.

For overcrowded schools, yes. Coates and Parklawn have to be addressed. Chantilly and Centerville should be addressed. It sounds like there are some other large schools out there that need to be addressed but that is very different then altering the boundaries across the County.

Why should Chantilly be addressed now that enrollment is declining and a Centreville expansion will begin shortly?

Coates and Parklawn are the only situations that really need to be addressed. Most of what FCPs is proposing is a lot of CYA bullsh*t intended to paper over FCPs’s incompetent facilities planning - for which the solution needs to be hiring better people and investing more prudently rather than just reshuffling kids.

The Centerville expansion should be cancelled because enrollment is dropping. Chantill and Centerville should have been addressed several years back. Yes, the populations are dropping now so there is not a good reason to adress the issues but there should be a mechanism to look at boundary shifts when a school reaches and will maintain over 100% capacity. We should be preventing Chantilly and Centerville and Coates and Parklawn situations, not reacting too late to do anything that actually helps the situation.

Centreville needs a renovation and expansion. It could pull all of Willow Springs Elementary into it and all of Powell. Also, it has the land. Chantilly could move all its academies to Centreville then.

No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Yep. We can move all of Willow Springs into Centreville, but then move the rest of Powell to Chantilly, Oak Hill to Westfield, and the rest of Coates to Herndon. An expansion of Centreville to 3000 is absolutely ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

Agree that few want them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t the right thing to do.

For overcrowded schools, yes. Coates and Parklawn have to be addressed. Chantilly and Centerville should be addressed. It sounds like there are some other large schools out there that need to be addressed but that is very different then altering the boundaries across the County.

Why should Chantilly be addressed now that enrollment is declining and a Centreville expansion will begin shortly?

Coates and Parklawn are the only situations that really need to be addressed. Most of what FCPs is proposing is a lot of CYA bullsh*t intended to paper over FCPs’s incompetent facilities planning - for which the solution needs to be hiring better people and investing more prudently rather than just reshuffling kids.

The Centerville expansion should be cancelled because enrollment is dropping. Chantill and Centerville should have been addressed several years back. Yes, the populations are dropping now so there is not a good reason to adress the issues but there should be a mechanism to look at boundary shifts when a school reaches and will maintain over 100% capacity. We should be preventing Chantilly and Centerville and Coates and Parklawn situations, not reacting too late to do anything that actually helps the situation.

Centreville needs a renovation and expansion. It could pull all of Willow Springs Elementary into it and all of Powell. Also, it has the land. Chantilly could move all its academies to Centreville then.

No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Yep. We can move all of Willow Springs into Centreville, but then move the rest of Powell to Chantilly, Oak Hill to Westfield, and the rest of Coates to Herndon. An expansion of Centreville to 3000 is absolutely ridiculous.

Rezoning is ridiculous when the population is getting ready to decline.

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Anonymous wrote:Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

Agree that few want them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t the right thing to do.

For overcrowded schools, yes. Coates and Parklawn have to be addressed. Chantilly and Centerville should be addressed. It sounds like there are some other large schools out there that need to be addressed but that is very different then altering the boundaries across the County.

Why should Chantilly be addressed now that enrollment is declining and a Centreville expansion will begin shortly?

Coates and Parklawn are the only situations that really need to be addressed. Most of what FCPs is proposing is a lot of CYA bullsh*t intended to paper over FCPs’s incompetent facilities planning - for which the solution needs to be hiring better people and investing more prudently rather than just reshuffling kids.

The Centerville expansion should be cancelled because enrollment is dropping. Chantill and Centerville should have been addressed several years back. Yes, the populations are dropping now so there is not a good reason to adress the issues but there should be a mechanism to look at boundary shifts when a school reaches and will maintain over 100% capacity. We should be preventing Chantilly and Centerville and Coates and Parklawn situations, not reacting too late to do anything that actually helps the situation.

Centreville needs a renovation and expansion. It could pull all of Willow Springs Elementary into it and all of Powell. Also, it has the land. Chantilly could move all its academies to Centreville then.

No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Yep. We can move all of Willow Springs into Centreville, but then move the rest of Powell to Chantilly, Oak Hill to Westfield, and the rest of Coates to Herndon. An expansion of Centreville to 3000 is absolutely ridiculous.

Rezoning is ridiculous when the population is getting ready to decline.

An expansion of a school to 3000 seats when the population may decline is even more ridiculous.

Willow Springs wants to be rezoned to Centreville rather than continue to be sent to Fairfax. If that can be accomplished by simply moving them to a 2500-seat Centreville, fine. If it requires some further rezoning to ultimately take advantage of capacity at Herndon, fine. But expanding Centreville on the grounds that it's needed to accommodate Willow Springs is a phony argument, and if Centreville is expanded to 3000 it will be one more in a series of colossal blunders by this incredibly negligent School Board.

[Anonymous]

Love it when someone chimes in with their genius, “easy” plan to pull a bunch of kids around. It’s fairly obvious you’re not in one of the affected neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Love it when someone chimes in with their genius, “easy” plan to pull a bunch of kids around. It’s fairly obvious you’re not in one of the affected neighborhoods.

So we just expand random schools to 3000 seats so no one at that school has to worry about getting redistricted while meanwhile others get redistricted because their schools have been neglected and people there are constantly told there’s no money?

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Anonymous wrote:Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

Agree that few want them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t the right thing to do.

For overcrowded schools, yes. Coates and Parklawn have to be addressed. Chantilly and Centerville should be addressed. It sounds like there are some other large schools out there that need to be addressed but that is very different then altering the boundaries across the County.

Why should Chantilly be addressed now that enrollment is declining and a Centreville expansion will begin shortly?

Coates and Parklawn are the only situations that really need to be addressed. Most of what FCPs is proposing is a lot of CYA bullsh*t intended to paper over FCPs’s incompetent facilities planning - for which the solution needs to be hiring better people and investing more prudently rather than just reshuffling kids.

The Centerville expansion should be cancelled because enrollment is dropping. Chantill and Centerville should have been addressed several years back. Yes, the populations are dropping now so there is not a good reason to adress the issues but there should be a mechanism to look at boundary shifts when a school reaches and will maintain over 100% capacity. We should be preventing Chantilly and Centerville and Coates and Parklawn situations, not reacting too late to do anything that actually helps the situation.

Centreville needs a renovation and expansion. It could pull all of Willow Springs Elementary into it and all of Powell. Also, it has the land. Chantilly could move all its academies to Centreville then.

No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Yep. We can move all of Willow Springs into Centreville, but then move the rest of Powell to Chantilly, Oak Hill to Westfield, and the rest of Coates to Herndon. An expansion of Centreville to 3000 is absolutely ridiculous.

Makes more sense for Powell to go to Centreville, as well.

And, no way will the School Board move Coates to Herndon. And, Westfield currently has lots of new construction --and not just at Coates. In progress construction.

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Anonymous wrote:Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

Agree that few want them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t the right thing to do.

For overcrowded schools, yes. Coates and Parklawn have to be addressed. Chantilly and Centerville should be addressed. It sounds like there are some other large schools out there that need to be addressed but that is very different then altering the boundaries across the County.

Why should Chantilly be addressed now that enrollment is declining and a Centreville expansion will begin shortly?

Coates and Parklawn are the only situations that really need to be addressed. Most of what FCPs is proposing is a lot of CYA bullsh*t intended to paper over FCPs’s incompetent facilities planning - for which the solution needs to be hiring better people and investing more prudently rather than just reshuffling kids.

The Centerville expansion should be cancelled because enrollment is dropping. Chantill and Centerville should have been addressed several years back. Yes, the populations are dropping now so there is not a good reason to adress the issues but there should be a mechanism to look at boundary shifts when a school reaches and will maintain over 100% capacity. We should be preventing Chantilly and Centerville and Coates and Parklawn situations, not reacting too late to do anything that actually helps the situation.

Centreville needs a renovation and expansion. It could pull all of Willow Springs Elementary into it and all of Powell. Also, it has the land. Chantilly could move all its academies to Centreville then.

No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Yep. We can move all of Willow Springs into Centreville, but then move the rest of Powell to Chantilly, Oak Hill to Westfield, and the rest of Coates to Herndon. An expansion of Centreville to 3000 is absolutely ridiculous.

Makes more sense for Powell to go to Centreville, as well.

And, no way will the School Board move Coates to Herndon. And, Westfield currently has lots of new construction --and not just at Coates. In progress construction.

Send them to Herndon. No need to expand Centreville above 2500.

[Anonymous]

None of the schools should have even been expanded to 2500. They should have built new schools as planned. That's why the borders are increasingly large and odd-shaped. Mega schools with the population of small towns aren't doing anyone any favors.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the schools should have even been expanded to 2500. They should have built new schools as planned. That's why the borders are increasingly large and odd-shaped. Mega schools with the population of small towns aren't doing anyone any favors.

You are right but the standard is 2500 now. Expanding a couple of schools to 3000 is utter insanity and an admission of just how poorly managed FCPS has become.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the schools should have even been expanded to 2500. They should have built new schools as planned. That's why the borders are increasingly large and odd-shaped. Mega schools with the population of small towns aren't doing anyone any favors.

You are right but the standard is 2500 now. Expanding a couple of schools to 3000 is utter insanity and an admission of just how poorly managed FCPS has become.

They expanded Westfield to 3000 before they came up with "2000" in order to justify the South Lakes boundary.

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No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Centreville has way fewer than 2500. The other schools in the area have higher populations. The schools that are closer to 2000 are way over on the other side of the county. There is new construction in Westfield area.

So, where are you going to send the kids?

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No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Centreville has way fewer than 2500. The other schools in the area have higher populations. The schools that are closer to 2000 are way over on the other side of the county. There is new construction in Westfield area.

So, where are you going to send the kids?

Yes, cap the expansion at 2500. Herndon is projected to have over 800 surplus seats in a few years. Find a way to use them and expand other schools rather than expand Centreville to an absurd 3000.

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No school should be expanded to 3000 seats while other schools are closer to 2000. Cap it at 2500.

Centreville has way fewer than 2500. The other schools in the area have higher populations. The schools that are closer to 2000 are way over on the other side of the county. There is new construction in Westfield area.

So, where are you going to send the kids?

Yes, cap the expansion at 2500. Herndon is projected to have over 800 surplus seats in a few years. Find a way to use them and expand other schools rather than expand Centreville to an absurd 3000.

They are not going to put 3000 kids in Centreville. But, they will likely put in more than 2500, if needed.

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

1. Franklin boundaries dip below 50. Everyone south of 50 to Rocky Run or Stone (based on Chantilly/Westfield assignments.)
2. Stone to Carson for AAP. Franklin to Rocky Run for AAP.
3. Crossfield to Franklin (they’d have to return Franklin to its 976 capacity since it was recently reduced.)
4. Thoreau/Marshall students to Thoreau/Madison
5. All Madison zoned AAP to Kilmer (if they can’t just do AAP centers at all middle schools)
6. Oakton assigned to Thoreau to Jackson for AAP

Now you have:
Carson - Westfield/South Lakes
Franklin - Chantilly/Oakton
Rocky Run - Chantilly/Centreville (AAP only)/Oakton (AAP only)
Thoreau - Oakton/Madison
Kilmer - Marshall/Madison (AAP only)
Jackson - Falls Church/Oakton (AAP only)

If they put AAP in all middle schools they could get Oakton out of every freaking middle school.

Future Oakton parent. The middle school situation is rough for a lot of Oakton parents. There are no middle schools in Oakton's district so everyone is going to a middle school that's slightly outside meaning many students have a long commute time (our bus comes at 6:30). The only existing MS you could rezone the full HS for without someone having a terrible commute is Katherine Johnson but all the kids wouldn't fit there even if you were allowed to displace the Fairfax City students. So even that solution would result in a significant split (and then the journey to Fairfax High where those kids go is unreasonable). The ideal solution would be to build a MS in the Oakton district but the central location is in the middle of single family homes in thick wooded areas or the Difficult Run park which they aren't allowed to touch, even if you could get people on board with clearing a section. Even not centrally located, there isn't any land.

The only solutions that I've seen proposed are to move the HS for students at the eastern end of the district from Oakton to either Madison or Fairfax. But like everyone else, we want to stay where we are. A long commute for two years isn't ideal but I'd rather have that then be rezoned for a different high school.

They could have taken part of the AT&T campus to build a new middle school, but of course they would rather have mixed use condos and townhouses, because that's what Fairfax County makes the most money on.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah - not a big problem, and no need to fix it.. The Carson split is big enough that kids stay with their friends group for the most part.

Not true.