APS - School Shifts in the Fall?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh APE has anonymous troll twitters. Here's one of the APE bro dads -

https://twitter.com/Arlwal

Very few followers but it is followed by all the usual loud voices in APE: DS, KS, AS, CM, CK

And there are pro Miranda tweets on there too

What a DB.

WTF is wrong with these adults?

And it explicitly supports Miranda. Tells you all you need to know about Miranda. Even if she's reasonable herself (I don't know, don't know her personally), the fact that these are her supporters tells me all I need to know.

Yes, after all of the teacher bashing and temper tantrums I have zero respect for anyone associated with that group, let alone leading it.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s this nonsense about a recall? I recently joined APE and see nothing about it other than a few stray comments now and then. But bigger question is why do people act like a recall is so offensive? Or a FOIA for that matter? Why are these all sensitive topics? And I agree with PP that the Twitter troll stuff is much more concerning and we all saw who is following and promoting those accounts.

It’s a bunch of made-up drama by SR. They like their alternative facts.

Don't see how it's made up when there is a screenshot of APE member EHN posting to OpenFCPS saying "Arlington Parents for Education is considering a recall effort" can you help, etc.

Plus there are screenshots from within their APE group of them planning the recall efforts.

I'm not condoning putting screenshots out there in general. But they are out there. And they sure are eye-opening.

https://twitter.com/ap_eshit

LOL, that account has been private for days. If you can still see it, then you’re one of its SR followers.

I know I’m in the super minority here, but it doesn’t bother me that APE’s screenshots were shared. It wouldn’t bother me if SR’s screenshots were shared, which probably also have their share of embarrassing things. Nothing is ever truly private on the internet and it’s not like they revealed state secrets. I’m more concerned about the substance of some of those communications, not the manner in which they were made public. If any follower used their real identity to follow the account, I can’t imagine they’d care that those screenshots of those likes or follows would bother them. At least they shouldn’t.

I was laughing more because posters (here and elsewhere) swear that no one from SR ever reads, let alone posts on, DCUM. But then they do stuff like this and it’s obvious that they do.

Obvious who does what?

I’m not part of APE or SR. I do read AEM, but never post. I’m happy to call out everyone who acts like a jerk though.

There are tons of us out there who aren’t part of either group - you really think all APS parents fall into one or the other?

So you’ve called out the owner of the Twitter account for doxing JB, right?

I’ve said it’s a sh1tty thing to do, yes.

As is intentionally conflating SR and MK.

Which I didn’t do, but that was a cute little “both sides” move. You’re not as neutral as you claim to be.

I can think multiple people from all different positions are sh1tty. There is no scarcity of a-holes in our county.

Sure, and we can address each of the, in their own right. Conflating MK and SR really has nothing to do with trying to dox a completely different person on Twitter, and yet you seem to think it provided some kind of defense to the would-be doxxer.

No, I don’t think that. You seem to have a lot of trouble following.

Bottom line is don’t lie:
- don’t claim BE created that account
- don’t claim MK is part of SR

I never claimed MK is part of SR. As for BE owning that account, there is corroborating evidence that he either created it, or knows who did and fed hem the information to post there. If you have evidence to refute that, please share.

My “evidence” is the account is private and you have no f-ing clue clue who created it. Obviously, someone who supports SR and hates APE. But that’s all you know.

It may not even be someone they know. Could be.....jerk Twitter person creates account. Starts “following” SR people. SR people noticed new followers and go check it out.

You can say SR was sh1tty to SHARE it but not that they CREATED it. Because you have zero evidence and it’s plausible that there are multiple people who dislike APE/support SR.

DP. The Twitter account posted the results of a FOIA request for JB's original request. A separate FOIA request disclosed that there had been only one FOIA request for the original request, and that request was made by BE. So the only ones who had that FOIA request results were BE and anyone he personally shared them with. Shortly after the FOIA results were posted to the Twitter account, BE posted a link to those tweets on AEM, claiming he just happened to come across this random account while casually browsing Twitter, a dubious claim given the very small number of followers the account had. Shortly after BE is outed on AEM as the person who requested JB's original FOIA request, the Twitter account is made private.

There would have to be a whole bunch of significant coincidences for BE to have nothing to with the Twitter account.

Do you not know how to do a search on Twitter? Search for Miranda Turner's handle and the apeshit post would come up, or at least it did before it was locked.

Or if APEsh1t followed one of them they’d be notified.

Apes**t followed three twitter "people" as of the last time it was live. None of them were BE. I have the Twitter screenshots and will start naming names if this back and forth continues. The only reason why I haven't posted them yet is that I can't figure out how to do it here, and don't actually have time to create a webpage or a social media account to post. I do have a real job besides eating popcorn on DCUM.

We can go through this again if you'd like.

Not in dispute

- Husband of APE supporter FOIA'ed MK's emails
- BE (husband of SR admin and prolific SR poster) FOIAed the FOIA
- Instead of releasing it himself, he found a sketchy Twitter account only followed by SR supporters and other SR-type groups regionally and posted it to AEM. (Only 12 followers, 3 following) Deader than a doornail. This thread would be dead too if BE didn't post it. Want to blame this thread on anyone? Blame BE.
- In addition to the Foia the foia, Twitter account primarily posted screenshots from APE that only to make MT look bad, and tagging all of the board members. Very pro-MK.
- BE tried to backtrack hard when it did not go his way
- After s**t got real, MK had to make a statement saying that she doesn't work with any groups, or has any anon social media accounts

Speculation

- Whether MT is working with original FOIA guy. I don't care. Everything was legal. There's probably nothing there though.
- Whether MK knew about it. I don't think she did. It's too juvenile and beneath any grown a$$ adult. My 18 month old is more mature than whoever created this account.
- Whether there were 2 FOIA the FOIAs or just one. (Although original FOIA person was told by APS that there was only one, according to an anon post on AEM.)


Now SR is trying to save whatever reputation is left, so they're posting ad nauseam on DCUM this same tired arguments. And around we go.

Thank you for the recap—this is what makes the most sense to me. IMO, it doesn’t really matter who “created” the Twitter account. BE is the one who shared it on AEM and took it prime time.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s this nonsense about a recall? I recently joined APE and see nothing about it other than a few stray comments now and then. But bigger question is why do people act like a recall is so offensive? Or a FOIA for that matter? Why are these all sensitive topics? And I agree with PP that the Twitter troll stuff is much more concerning and we all saw who is following and promoting those accounts.

It’s a bunch of made-up drama by SR. They like their alternative facts.

Don't see how it's made up when there is a screenshot of APE member EHN posting to OpenFCPS saying "Arlington Parents for Education is considering a recall effort" can you help, etc.

Plus there are screenshots from within their APE group of them planning the recall efforts.

I'm not condoning putting screenshots out there in general. But they are out there. And they sure are eye-opening.

https://twitter.com/ap_eshit

LOL, that account has been private for days. If you can still see it, then you’re one of its SR followers.

I know I’m in the super minority here, but it doesn’t bother me that APE’s screenshots were shared. It wouldn’t bother me if SR’s screenshots were shared, which probably also have their share of embarrassing things. Nothing is ever truly private on the internet and it’s not like they revealed state secrets. I’m more concerned about the substance of some of those communications, not the manner in which they were made public. If any follower used their real identity to follow the account, I can’t imagine they’d care that those screenshots of those likes or follows would bother them. At least they shouldn’t.

I was laughing more because posters (here and elsewhere) swear that no one from SR ever reads, let alone posts on, DCUM. But then they do stuff like this and it’s obvious that they do.

Obvious who does what?

I’m not part of APE or SR. I do read AEM, but never post. I’m happy to call out everyone who acts like a jerk though.

There are tons of us out there who aren’t part of either group - you really think all APS parents fall into one or the other?

So you’ve called out the owner of the Twitter account for doxing JB, right?

I’ve said it’s a sh1tty thing to do, yes.

As is intentionally conflating SR and MK.

Which I didn’t do, but that was a cute little “both sides” move. You’re not as neutral as you claim to be.

I can think multiple people from all different positions are sh1tty. There is no scarcity of a-holes in our county.

Sure, and we can address each of the, in their own right. Conflating MK and SR really has nothing to do with trying to dox a completely different person on Twitter, and yet you seem to think it provided some kind of defense to the would-be doxxer.

No, I don’t think that. You seem to have a lot of trouble following.

Bottom line is don’t lie:
- don’t claim BE created that account
- don’t claim MK is part of SR

I never claimed MK is part of SR. As for BE owning that account, there is corroborating evidence that he either created it, or knows who did and fed hem the information to post there. If you have evidence to refute that, please share.

My “evidence” is the account is private and you have no f-ing clue clue who created it. Obviously, someone who supports SR and hates APE. But that’s all you know.

It may not even be someone they know. Could be.....jerk Twitter person creates account. Starts “following” SR people. SR people noticed new followers and go check it out.

You can say SR was sh1tty to SHARE it but not that they CREATED it. Because you have zero evidence and it’s plausible that there are multiple people who dislike APE/support SR.

DP. The Twitter account posted the results of a FOIA request for JB's original request. A separate FOIA request disclosed that there had been only one FOIA request for the original request, and that request was made by BE. So the only ones who had that FOIA request results were BE and anyone he personally shared them with. Shortly after the FOIA results were posted to the Twitter account, BE posted a link to those tweets on AEM, claiming he just happened to come across this random account while casually browsing Twitter, a dubious claim given the very small number of followers the account had. Shortly after BE is outed on AEM as the person who requested JB's original FOIA request, the Twitter account is made private.

There would have to be a whole bunch of significant coincidences for BE to have nothing to with the Twitter account.

Do you not know how to do a search on Twitter? Search for Miranda Turner's handle and the apeshit post would come up, or at least it did before it was locked.

Or if APEsh1t followed one of them they’d be notified.

Apes**t followed three twitter "people" as of the last time it was live. None of them were BE. I have the Twitter screenshots and will start naming names if this back and forth continues. The only reason why I haven't posted them yet is that I can't figure out how to do it here, and don't actually have time to create a webpage or a social media account to post. I do have a real job besides eating popcorn on DCUM.

We can go through this again if you'd like.

Not in dispute

- Husband of APE supporter FOIA'ed MK's emails
- BE (husband of SR admin and prolific SR poster) FOIAed the FOIA
- Instead of releasing it himself, he found a sketchy Twitter account only followed by SR supporters and other SR-type groups regionally and posted it to AEM. (Only 12 followers, 3 following) Deader than a doornail. This thread would be dead too if BE didn't post it. Want to blame this thread on anyone? Blame BE.
- In addition to the Foia the foia, Twitter account primarily posted screenshots from APE that only to make MT look bad, and tagging all of the board members. Very pro-MK.
- BE tried to backtrack hard when it did not go his way
- After s**t got real, MK had to make a statement saying that she doesn't work with any groups, or has any anon social media accounts

Speculation

- Whether MT is working with original FOIA guy. I don't care. Everything was legal. There's probably nothing there though.
- Whether MK knew about it. I don't think she did. It's too juvenile and beneath any grown a$$ adult. My 18 month old is more mature than whoever created this account.
- Whether there were 2 FOIA the FOIAs or just one. (Although original FOIA person was told by APS that there was only one, according to an anon post on AEM.)


Now SR is trying to save whatever reputation is left, so they're posting ad nauseam on DCUM this same tired arguments. And around we go.

Thank you for the recap—this is what makes the most sense to me. IMO, it doesn’t really matter who “created” the Twitter account. BE is the one who shared it on AEM and took it prime time.

But who cares about this BE guy? The relevant part is the School Board race and Miranda. Their school board recalls.

The fact that APE or Miranda campaign (is there a difference) KEEPS trying to deflect from that tells us that this really hurts them.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah we have a one issue candidate whose only claim to fame is leading APE. So when APE does something shall-we-say questionable like working on a recall of her possibly future colleagues, and that plan is outed, they went a little, dare I say it... apesh*t.

Who's surprised given what we've seen from this group all year? I think I am even more tired of APE than of Covid. Their rants are just non stop.

Miranda is on the steering committee of APE.

She seems perfectly happy to let APE do the dirty work of recalls and shutting down Latina speakers, but then when they get called out, she just says "oh it's a big tent."

That "big tent" excuse is getting a little thin.

The Miranda campaign treasurer is a leader of APE.

The people arranging for signs for the Miranda campaign are leaders of APE.

All of Miranda's newsletters read like APE newsletters. Her positions are APE positions.

Elect Miranda and you get APE. If that's what you want, ok. Know what you're getting.

That's not what I want.

I'd like to hear more about the APE - MT campaign ties. Anyone an election law specialist? What is APE allowed to do for Miranda?

OMG you have to be kidding right? Go find a hobby for crying out loud.

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It is laughable that any of the blowhards from either of these groups thinks they have deep support within the APS community, or the administration.

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Anonymous wrote:It is laughable that any of the blowhards from either of these groups thinks they have deep support within the APS community, or the administration.

It's clear that 4-5 days are a no go this year. The only reason APE is at all relevant right now is they are running a School board candidate. And if they actually pursue the recalls. I don't think recalls will work but they will create a lot of noise and even more divisiveness, which this group is very good at. It's going to take a long time to heal as a community.

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Anonymous wrote:It is laughable that any of the blowhards from either of these groups thinks they have deep support within the APS community, or the administration.

It's clear that 4-5 days are a no go this year. The only reason APE is at all relevant right now is they are running a School board candidate. And if they actually pursue the recalls. I don't think recalls will work but they will create a lot of noise and even more divisiveness, which this group is very good at. It's going to take a long time to heal as a community.

Did you mean to respond to a different post?

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah we have a one issue candidate whose only claim to fame is leading APE. So when APE does something shall-we-say questionable like working on a recall of her possibly future colleagues, and that plan is outed, they went a little, dare I say it... apesh*t.

Who's surprised given what we've seen from this group all year? I think I am even more tired of APE than of Covid. Their rants are just non stop.

Miranda is on the steering committee of APE.

She seems perfectly happy to let APE do the dirty work of recalls and shutting down Latina speakers, but then when they get called out, she just says "oh it's a big tent."

That "big tent" excuse is getting a little thin.

The Miranda campaign treasurer is a leader of APE.

The people arranging for signs for the Miranda campaign are leaders of APE.

All of Miranda's newsletters read like APE newsletters. Her positions are APE positions.

Elect Miranda and you get APE. If that's what you want, ok. Know what you're getting.

That's not what I want.

I'd like to hear more about the APE - MT campaign ties. Anyone an election law specialist? What is APE allowed to do for Miranda?

OMG you have to be kidding right? Go find a hobby for crying out loud.

When you don't want to answer the question, attack!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh APE has anonymous troll twitters. Here's one of the APE bro dads -

https://twitter.com/Arlwal

Very few followers but it is followed by all the usual loud voices in APE: DS, KS, AS, CM, CK

And there are pro Miranda tweets on there too

What a DB.

WTF is wrong with these adults?

So so much

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How do you find out who is a campaign manager? Is that somewhere on public record like donations are?

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Anonymous wrote:How do you find out who is a campaign manager? Is that somewhere on public record like donations are?

Is TT Miranda's campaign manager?

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Anonymous wrote:How do you find out who is a campaign manager? Is that somewhere on public record like donations are?

Is TT Miranda's campaign manager?

He sure thinks he is.

I just caught up on the weekend posts on AEM and omg he is out there. I can't believe she wants him to be speaking for her.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you find out who is a campaign manager? Is that somewhere on public record like donations are?

Is TT Miranda's campaign manager?

He sure thinks he is.

I just caught up on the weekend posts on AEM and omg he is out there. I can't believe she wants him to be speaking for her.

She's a leader of APE. She's clearly ok with all of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh APE has anonymous troll twitters. Here's one of the APE bro dads -

https://twitter.com/Arlwal

Very few followers but it is followed by all the usual loud voices in APE: DS, KS, AS, CM, CK

And there are pro Miranda tweets on there too

What a DB.

WTF is wrong with these adults?

So so much

Honestly, I don't care about the recall. Or the FOIA. Or even the FOIA of the FOIA. I care about the vitriol on both sides, the whataboutism and gaslighting, the doxxing of teachers and of APE members, and sullying a school board race. We actually have no evidence that Miranda or Mary are involved in anything, yet the actions of APE and SR makes things horrible for both of them.

I can't imagine anyone being proud of being in APE or SR right now.

Our children are watching us. No wonder bullying is rampant in our schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh APE has anonymous troll twitters. Here's one of the APE bro dads -

https://twitter.com/Arlwal

Very few followers but it is followed by all the usual loud voices in APE: DS, KS, AS, CM, CK

And there are pro Miranda tweets on there too

What a DB.

WTF is wrong with these adults?

So so much

Honestly, I don't care about the recall. Or the FOIA. Or even the FOIA of the FOIA. I care about the vitriol on both sides, the whataboutism and gaslighting, the doxxing of teachers and of APE members, and sullying a school board race. We actually have no evidence that Miranda or Mary are involved in anything, yet the actions of APE and SR makes things horrible for both of them.

I can't imagine anyone being proud of being in APE or SR right now.

Our children are watching us. No wonder bullying is rampant in our schools.

Amen. Both groups are behaving atrociously, and neither should be proud of themselves. The represent some of the worst of Arlington.