The BIG ONE: 20 years of Trump taxes obtained by NYTs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I could care less about Trump's taxes as an individual. But I love what he has done for us.

you mean for you. most people are suffering.

[Anonymous]

Folks, the issue about Trump's effective non-payment of taxes going back 15-20 years is a side show.

The real news is that Trump is insolvent. He is broke, with much larger debts coming due soon. That is a major national security concern for the US. Someone who is personally in debt hundreds of million dollars to foreign creditors (read: Russian) cannot be President.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could care less about Trump's taxes as an individual. But I love what he has done for us.

you mean for you. most people are suffering.

Not true. I agree with pp.
I couldn't give one hoot about a billionaire who became a politician - and LOST money as a result.
I do care about politicians who have become multi-millionaires while in public office. Those are the tax returns I would like to see.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For everyone saying this is all totally legal and normal (which is far from evidence and you know it), there is still a big problem here, which is that teachers and nurses and construction workers shouldn’t be paying ten times more in races every year than a purported billionaire. If Trump really cared about the American people, his tax law would have been focused on closing loopholes and easing the burden on middle income Americans who are struggling to make ends meet, rather than further enriching himself at their expense.

Cheer for him all you want, but don’t fool yourself for a minute that he cares about you. He thinks of you all as useful idiots, nothing more.

+1
The "accountants" on this thread are either too in the weeds to see the big picture, or are desperate Trump supporters.

Don't democrats value the opinion of experts? Imagine if someone said that climate scientists are too in the weeds to see the big picture, or are desperate Democratic supporters.

The right wing says that all the time. Also, we are anonymous here, so your credentials don't exist here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could care less about Trump's taxes as an individual. But I love what he has done for us.

you mean for you. most people are suffering.

Not true. I agree with pp.
I couldn't give one hoot about a billionaire who became a politician - and LOST money as a result.
I do care about politicians who have become multi-millionaires while in public office. Those are the tax returns I would like to see.

No, you don't care because it's Trump. Full stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Folks, the issue about Trump's effective non-payment of taxes going back 15-20 years is a side show.

The real news is that Trump is insolvent. He is broke, with much larger debts coming due soon. That is a major national security concern for the US. Someone who is personally in debt hundreds of million dollars to foreign creditors (read: Russian) cannot be President.

+1000. Anyone who has gone through a security clearance would know how much of a risk Trump is to our national security.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For everyone saying this is all totally legal and normal (which is far from evidence and you know it), there is still a big problem here, which is that teachers and nurses and construction workers shouldn’t be paying ten times more in races every year than a purported billionaire. If Trump really cared about the American people, his tax law would have been focused on closing loopholes and easing the burden on middle income Americans who are struggling to make ends meet, rather than further enriching himself at their expense.

Cheer for him all you want, but don’t fool yourself for a minute that he cares about you. He thinks of you all as useful idiots, nothing more.

+1
The "accountants" on this thread are either too in the weeds to see the big picture, or are desperate Trump supporters.

Don't democrats value the opinion of experts? Imagine if someone said that climate scientists are too in the weeds to see the big picture, or are desperate Democratic supporters.

Sorry, are you saying Trump doesn't pay a tiny fraction in income taxes of what teachers, nurses and construction workers pay? Please give me your expert opinion. I'm just a lay person so I don't know if I can understand this fundamental point.

If you admit to being ignorant, then perhaps be a little more modest and less accusatory towards people who know more than you on the subject matter. No one is saying everything that Trump has done with regards to taxes is perfectly fine - just that we don't have enough information to conclude one way or another. It is common and normal for wealthy people, especially those in real estate investments, to use depreciation and other mechanisms to lower/manage their present tax payments. This does *NOT* absolve them from the need to pay taxes on gains, just delay them to future years. The mere fact that Trump paid little to no taxes in two years says *NOTHING* about how much taxes he will eventually have to pay on those gains. This is like a climate change denier pointing to two cold winters and saying "aha! see! there is no global warming!"

The tax will be due, sooner or later. Trump can only delay it. The only escape is death, but that's another topic.

You must lack emotional intelligence if you cannot see that the problem here isn't legal, it is moral. You keep focusing on what is legal, but that is not what is so upsetting about this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could care less about Trump's taxes as an individual. But I love what he has done for us.

you mean for you. most people are suffering.

Not true. I agree with pp.
I couldn't give one hoot about a billionaire who became a politician - and LOST money as a result.
I do care about politicians who have become multi-millionaires while in public office. Those are the tax returns I would like to see.

Can you name one whose tax returns are not freely available? (and he lost all that money before he ran)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could care less about Trump's taxes as an individual. But I love what he has done for us.

you mean for you. most people are suffering.

Not true. I agree with pp.
I couldn't give one hoot about a billionaire who became a politician - and LOST money as a result.
I do care about politicians who have become multi-millionaires while in public office. Those are the tax returns I would like to see.

Like Mitch McConnell?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could care less about Trump's taxes as an individual. But I love what he has done for us.

you mean for you. most people are suffering.

Not true. I agree with pp.
I couldn't give one hoot about a billionaire who became a politician - and LOST money as a result.
I do care about politicians who have become multi-millionaires while in public office. Those are the tax returns I would like to see.

No, you don't care because it's Trump. Full stop.

No. I don't care because there is nothing illegal here. Except the leaking of tax records - if they are authentic.
Wondering where all the "we need to see Trump's taxes to show his illegal payments from Russia" posters are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks, the issue about Trump's effective non-payment of taxes going back 15-20 years is a side show.

The real news is that Trump is insolvent. He is broke, with much larger debts coming due soon. That is a major national security concern for the US. Someone who is personally in debt hundreds of million dollars to foreign creditors (read: Russian) cannot be President.

+1000. Anyone who has gone through a security clearance would know how much of a risk Trump is to our national security.

Yup. You can’t get a security clearance most of the time because it makes you vulnerable to being bought. Case in point is our POTUS now. Regardless of who wins in November, I hope that Republicans find the ethics they checked at the door of Mar-a-Lago and require all future presidential candidates to release their taxes. It’s good governance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks, the issue about Trump's effective non-payment of taxes going back 15-20 years is a side show.

The real news is that Trump is insolvent. He is broke, with much larger debts coming due soon. That is a major national security concern for the US. Someone who is personally in debt hundreds of million dollars to foreign creditors (read: Russian) cannot be President.

+1000. Anyone who has gone through a security clearance would know how much of a risk Trump is to our national security.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Was Rachel Maddow their source, lol! A lot of blather in the recent NYT story, but again no proof. Unless I missed the link to Trumps recent returns. He paid millions in 2005 much to Rachel's embarrassment..


https://observer.com/2017/03/rachel-maddow-blames-viewers-for-trump-2005-tax-return-flop/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting fact: the top 10% pay 90% of the taxes in this country

Another Interesting fact: the bottom 50% pay 0% of the taxes in this country

Not Donald, apparently.

That's how a progressive income tax system works. It's also INCOME tax, not "of the taxes." Income taxes are but one portion of the taxes people pay.

How is any of this relevant to Donald Trump thought? Or, are you trying to throw out red herrings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was Rachel Maddow their source, lol! A lot of blather in the recent NYT story, but again no proof. Unless I missed the link to Trumps recent returns. He paid millions in 2005 much to Rachel's embarrassment..


https://observer.com/2017/03/rachel-maddow-blames-viewers-for-trump-2005-tax-return-flop/

So he does pay taxes, sometimes? I wish I could say that to the IRS. "I paid last year". lol.