Loudoun Soccer Just Robbed Parents

[Anonymous]

Soccer club collusion, yeah right

[Anonymous]

You signed a contract and are bound by it. The only way this changes is if the parents collectively refuse to enter yearly contracts, signing only those that allow them out at regular intervals. There should be at least 3 pay periods, with the player being free to leave or retrieve their player card if payment has been made - July 1, Jan 1 and April 1.

Should parents think this is a better deal, however, there is something to be said for teaching your kid to deal with adversity and to stick with a commitment for 9 months. Sometimes you learn more and improve as a human by being on a losing team. Builds character and work ethic. If every kid thinks shes a free agent and that the grass is always greener elsewhere where wins seem more plentiful, then you accept more frequent poaching and recruiting. Are you really sure that is a better situation than just sticking it out for the year?

[Anonymous]

Yes. Please keep us posted on the collusion and anti-trust lawsuit you plan to file. Don’t just stop at tort law. How about the Constitution, LS must have violated some of your civil rights too. Get Alan Dershowitz to represent you. It all sounds like a good use of whatever cash you have left after this financially devastating experience! Or you could just be trolling. Yeah that’s it. Bingo.

[Anonymous]

Some of the comments are wild. Ask for a refund and leave?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of the comments are wild. Ask for a refund and leave?

It’s been 6 months and the Loser $occer is still denying refunds on credit cards.

Guess you just finished hibernating?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i don't understand the confusion here. the family signed a one season agreement with a club to play travel soccer. a soccer season starts late summer/fall and ends late spring. whoever said soccer consists of separate fall, winter, and travel seasons has zero idea how travel soccer works, or is most likely a troll with a vested interest in fcv or var. can tom brady walk away from tampa bay midseason because he feels like it? can trevor lawrence transfer to notre dame next week because they have a better political science program? can you terminate your fios bill whenver you want? of course not, that is literally why contracts exist.

I don't think there's any confusion. It's just that the customer is not happy with the product they have received which they believe is not what they were sold. Under such circumstances it is entirely reasonable to withhold further payment and investigate a different supplier. And with any other product this is what would happen. If the club felt that they had delivered as promised then they could go to court to seek to enforce their contract - because that's the mechanism we have for enforcing contracts in our society. The player card mechanism which prevents the customer from purchasing a product from a competitor appears to me to violate anti-trust law - although I'm not a lawyer.

The club is not seeking injunctive relief but rather the parent. So the onus would be on the parent as plaintiff to file in court.

Well yes. But it's only that way around because of the player card issue. Without the player card the club would have to go to court and seek relief from the paernt and prove that the money is owed. But the player card turns that on its head because it acts as a mechanism to prevent the player from purchasing from any other club - which definitely looks like illegal collusion between clubs to me.

I sent a letter through my lawyer with our intentions of not allowing them to proceed with their unethical practices.

Within hours we received a response back that we will receive the player card after the last fall game has taken place.
I strongly encourage anyone to use their attorney to contact these thieves - clearly it’s the only way.

Best of luck to everyone in their future endeavors. What has been said on this forum and on the news outlets and social media falls short. An all around disgusting experience provided by Loudoun club.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i don't understand the confusion here. the family signed a one season agreement with a club to play travel soccer. a soccer season starts late summer/fall and ends late spring. whoever said soccer consists of separate fall, winter, and travel seasons has zero idea how travel soccer works, or is most likely a troll with a vested interest in fcv or var. can tom brady walk away from tampa bay midseason because he feels like it? can trevor lawrence transfer to notre dame next week because they have a better political science program? can you terminate your fios bill whenver you want? of course not, that is literally why contracts exist.

I don't think there's any confusion. It's just that the customer is not happy with the product they have received which they believe is not what they were sold. Under such circumstances it is entirely reasonable to withhold further payment and investigate a different supplier. And with any other product this is what would happen. If the club felt that they had delivered as promised then they could go to court to seek to enforce their contract - because that's the mechanism we have for enforcing contracts in our society. The player card mechanism which prevents the customer from purchasing a product from a competitor appears to me to violate anti-trust law - although I'm not a lawyer.

The club is not seeking injunctive relief but rather the parent. So the onus would be on the parent as plaintiff to file in court.

Well yes. But it's only that way around because of the player card issue. Without the player card the club would have to go to court and seek relief from the paernt and prove that the money is owed. But the player card turns that on its head because it acts as a mechanism to prevent the player from purchasing from any other club - which definitely looks like illegal collusion between clubs to me.

I sent a letter through my lawyer with our intentions of not allowing them to proceed with their unethical practices.

Within hours we received a response back that we will receive the player card after the last fall game has taken place.
I strongly encourage anyone to use their attorney to contact these thieves - clearly it’s the only way.

Best of luck to everyone in their future endeavors. What has been said on this forum and on the news outlets and social media falls short. An all around disgusting experience provided by Loudoun club.

Good for you. One in the eye for the bad guys.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i don't understand the confusion here. the family signed a one season agreement with a club to play travel soccer. a soccer season starts late summer/fall and ends late spring. whoever said soccer consists of separate fall, winter, and travel seasons has zero idea how travel soccer works, or is most likely a troll with a vested interest in fcv or var. can tom brady walk away from tampa bay midseason because he feels like it? can trevor lawrence transfer to notre dame next week because they have a better political science program? can you terminate your fios bill whenver you want? of course not, that is literally why contracts exist.

I don't think there's any confusion. It's just that the customer is not happy with the product they have received which they believe is not what they were sold. Under such circumstances it is entirely reasonable to withhold further payment and investigate a different supplier. And with any other product this is what would happen. If the club felt that they had delivered as promised then they could go to court to seek to enforce their contract - because that's the mechanism we have for enforcing contracts in our society. The player card mechanism which prevents the customer from purchasing a product from a competitor appears to me to violate anti-trust law - although I'm not a lawyer.

The club is not seeking injunctive relief but rather the parent. So the onus would be on the parent as plaintiff to file in court.

Well yes. But it's only that way around because of the player card issue. Without the player card the club would have to go to court and seek relief from the paernt and prove that the money is owed. But the player card turns that on its head because it acts as a mechanism to prevent the player from purchasing from any other club - which definitely looks like illegal collusion between clubs to me.

I sent a letter through my lawyer with our intentions of not allowing them to proceed with their unethical practices.

Within hours we received a response back that we will receive the player card after the last fall game has taken place.
I strongly encourage anyone to use their attorney to contact these thieves - clearly it’s the only way.

Best of luck to everyone in their future endeavors. What has been said on this forum and on the news outlets and social media falls short. An all around disgusting experience provided by Loudoun club.

There is exactly a zero-percent chance this happened, and the idea that a sternly worded letter from a lawyer would cause a club to abandon industry-standard practices is laughable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i don't understand the confusion here. the family signed a one season agreement with a club to play travel soccer. a soccer season starts late summer/fall and ends late spring. whoever said soccer consists of separate fall, winter, and travel seasons has zero idea how travel soccer works, or is most likely a troll with a vested interest in fcv or var. can tom brady walk away from tampa bay midseason because he feels like it? can trevor lawrence transfer to notre dame next week because they have a better political science program? can you terminate your fios bill whenver you want? of course not, that is literally why contracts exist.

I don't think there's any confusion. It's just that the customer is not happy with the product they have received which they believe is not what they were sold. Under such circumstances it is entirely reasonable to withhold further payment and investigate a different supplier. And with any other product this is what would happen. If the club felt that they had delivered as promised then they could go to court to seek to enforce their contract - because that's the mechanism we have for enforcing contracts in our society. The player card mechanism which prevents the customer from purchasing a product from a competitor appears to me to violate anti-trust law - although I'm not a lawyer.

The club is not seeking injunctive relief but rather the parent. So the onus would be on the parent as plaintiff to file in court.

Well yes. But it's only that way around because of the player card issue. Without the player card the club would have to go to court and seek relief from the paernt and prove that the money is owed. But the player card turns that on its head because it acts as a mechanism to prevent the player from purchasing from any other club - which definitely looks like illegal collusion between clubs to me.

I sent a letter through my lawyer with our intentions of not allowing them to proceed with their unethical practices.

Within hours we received a response back that we will receive the player card after the last fall game has taken place.
I strongly encourage anyone to use their attorney to contact these thieves - clearly it’s the only way.

Best of luck to everyone in their future endeavors. What has been said on this forum and on the news outlets and social media falls short. An all around disgusting experience provided by Loudoun club.

There is exactly a zero-percent chance this happened, and the idea that a sternly worded letter from a lawyer would cause a club to abandon industry-standard practices is laughable.

I'm noth OP, PP or any other P - but this is incorrect. Letters from lawyers achieve these types of effect all the time which is why people use them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i don't understand the confusion here. the family signed a one season agreement with a club to play travel soccer. a soccer season starts late summer/fall and ends late spring. whoever said soccer consists of separate fall, winter, and travel seasons has zero idea how travel soccer works, or is most likely a troll with a vested interest in fcv or var. can tom brady walk away from tampa bay midseason because he feels like it? can trevor lawrence transfer to notre dame next week because they have a better political science program? can you terminate your fios bill whenver you want? of course not, that is literally why contracts exist.

I don't think there's any confusion. It's just that the customer is not happy with the product they have received which they believe is not what they were sold. Under such circumstances it is entirely reasonable to withhold further payment and investigate a different supplier. And with any other product this is what would happen. If the club felt that they had delivered as promised then they could go to court to seek to enforce their contract - because that's the mechanism we have for enforcing contracts in our society. The player card mechanism which prevents the customer from purchasing a product from a competitor appears to me to violate anti-trust law - although I'm not a lawyer.

The club is not seeking injunctive relief but rather the parent. So the onus would be on the parent as plaintiff to file in court.

Well yes. But it's only that way around because of the player card issue. Without the player card the club would have to go to court and seek relief from the paernt and prove that the money is owed. But the player card turns that on its head because it acts as a mechanism to prevent the player from purchasing from any other club - which definitely looks like illegal collusion between clubs to me.

I sent a letter through my lawyer with our intentions of not allowing them to proceed with their unethical practices.

Within hours we received a response back that we will receive the player card after the last fall game has taken place.
I strongly encourage anyone to use their attorney to contact these thieves - clearly it’s the only way.

Best of luck to everyone in their future endeavors. What has been said on this forum and on the news outlets and social media falls short. An all around disgusting experience provided by Loudoun club.

There is exactly a zero-percent chance this happened, and the idea that a sternly worded letter from a lawyer would cause a club to abandon industry-standard practices is laughable.

I'm noth OP, PP or any other P - but this is incorrect. Letters from lawyers achieve these types of effect all the time which is why people use them.

Agree with this completely. Those letters are powerful because the club doesn’t want to have this kind of thing publicized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i don't understand the confusion here. the family signed a one season agreement with a club to play travel soccer. a soccer season starts late summer/fall and ends late spring. whoever said soccer consists of separate fall, winter, and travel seasons has zero idea how travel soccer works, or is most likely a troll with a vested interest in fcv or var. can tom brady walk away from tampa bay midseason because he feels like it? can trevor lawrence transfer to notre dame next week because they have a better political science program? can you terminate your fios bill whenver you want? of course not, that is literally why contracts exist.

I don't think there's any confusion. It's just that the customer is not happy with the product they have received which they believe is not what they were sold. Under such circumstances it is entirely reasonable to withhold further payment and investigate a different supplier. And with any other product this is what would happen. If the club felt that they had delivered as promised then they could go to court to seek to enforce their contract - because that's the mechanism we have for enforcing contracts in our society. The player card mechanism which prevents the customer from purchasing a product from a competitor appears to me to violate anti-trust law - although I'm not a lawyer.

The club is not seeking injunctive relief but rather the parent. So the onus would be on the parent as plaintiff to file in court.

Well yes. But it's only that way around because of the player card issue. Without the player card the club would have to go to court and seek relief from the paernt and prove that the money is owed. But the player card turns that on its head because it acts as a mechanism to prevent the player from purchasing from any other club - which definitely looks like illegal collusion between clubs to me.

I sent a letter through my lawyer with our intentions of not allowing them to proceed with their unethical practices.

Within hours we received a response back that we will receive the player card after the last fall game has taken place.
I strongly encourage anyone to use their attorney to contact these thieves - clearly it’s the only way.

Best of luck to everyone in their future endeavors. What has been said on this forum and on the news outlets and social media falls short. An all around disgusting experience provided by Loudoun club.

There is exactly a zero-percent chance this happened, and the idea that a sternly worded letter from a lawyer would cause a club to abandon industry-standard practices is laughable.

I'm noth OP, PP or any other P - but this is incorrect. Letters from lawyers achieve these types of effect all the time which is why people use them.

Agree with this completely. Those letters are powerful because the club doesn’t want to have this kind of thing publicized.

Especially after Spring.

It is rather telling how quickly they replied when confronted from the walls of the law and how god awful long they take, basically disregarding any sign of respect, when it’s not from the legal standpoint.

But then again, did you expect any different from these people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i don't understand the confusion here. the family signed a one season agreement with a club to play travel soccer. a soccer season starts late summer/fall and ends late spring. whoever said soccer consists of separate fall, winter, and travel seasons has zero idea how travel soccer works, or is most likely a troll with a vested interest in fcv or var. can tom brady walk away from tampa bay midseason because he feels like it? can trevor lawrence transfer to notre dame next week because they have a better political science program? can you terminate your fios bill whenver you want? of course not, that is literally why contracts exist.

I don't think there's any confusion. It's just that the customer is not happy with the product they have received which they believe is not what they were sold. Under such circumstances it is entirely reasonable to withhold further payment and investigate a different supplier. And with any other product this is what would happen. If the club felt that they had delivered as promised then they could go to court to seek to enforce their contract - because that's the mechanism we have for enforcing contracts in our society. The player card mechanism which prevents the customer from purchasing a product from a competitor appears to me to violate anti-trust law - although I'm not a lawyer.

The club is not seeking injunctive relief but rather the parent. So the onus would be on the parent as plaintiff to file in court.

Well yes. But it's only that way around because of the player card issue. Without the player card the club would have to go to court and seek relief from the paernt and prove that the money is owed. But the player card turns that on its head because it acts as a mechanism to prevent the player from purchasing from any other club - which definitely looks like illegal collusion between clubs to me.

I sent a letter through my lawyer with our intentions of not allowing them to proceed with their unethical practices.

Within hours we received a response back that we will receive the player card after the last fall game has taken place.
I strongly encourage anyone to use their attorney to contact these thieves - clearly it’s the only way.

Best of luck to everyone in their future endeavors. What has been said on this forum and on the news outlets and social media falls short. An all around disgusting experience provided by Loudoun club.

There is exactly a zero-percent chance this happened, and the idea that a sternly worded letter from a lawyer would cause a club to abandon industry-standard practices is laughable.

I'm noth OP, PP or any other P - but this is incorrect. Letters from lawyers achieve these types of effect all the time which is why people use them.

Agree with this completely. Those letters are powerful because the club doesn’t want to have this kind of thing publicized.

Especially after Spring.

It is rather telling how quickly they replied when confronted from the walls of the law and how god awful long they take, basically disregarding any sign of respect, when it’s not from the legal standpoint.

But then again, did you expect any different from these people?

Not from those people. No. Northern VA's finest soccer organization. NOT!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t believe the energy you LS haters spend on your hating

Imagine if you will... the energy spent by L$ staffers taking time out of their duties (probably now part of their job descriptions) to report other neighboring clubs during practices and games while actively campaigning to parks and rec they don’t let other neighboring clubs use specific fields and create false statements to put them out of business.

Yeah, take a look in the mirror. Or better yet, your wallet. Remember, you must proudly sustain the life of a spineless, corrupt and criminal entity.

You’ve made this weird claim several times and I have no idea what it means. What makes you think LS is “reporting” you to parks and rec? Reporting for what?

Parks issues the permits, not LS. So if you have the permits, what is the issue?

And how are you, uninterested third party who claims to not be affiliated with a club, be privy to these “reports?”

If true, this would be proto-typical Loudoun behavior. Nice people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear Loudoun Soccer families,

We hope you and your family are safe and healthy, and that you enjoyed a wonderful Mother’s Day Weekend. This message is a follow-up to the announcement we made on May 4, which shared the disheartening news that our Spring 2020 Rec and Adult League seasons were canceled, and promised additional details by May 13. We appreciate your patience as we worked to finalize our review process and develop our plans in light of that decision.
You enrolled your child(ren) this season, expecting a traditional soccer experience as we all did, and, regardless of why that did not occur, that experience simply could not take place.

Therefore, Loudoun Soccer Board of Directors will enact the following plan for families with children enrolled in our Spring 2020 season:

• Families have all been impacted by this crisis differently, none more so than those who are most vulnerable. As a result, all families who received financial assistance this season have been issued full refunds of their fees to provide immediate help.
• All supplemental programming (Spring Break camps, Junior Development Program, Rec TTA, 7U Pre-Academy, Speed/Agility training) and TOPSoccer (special needs) given the designs of those programs, will be refunded in full by May 31, 2020.
• For players enrolled in Micro (Pre-School), Minis (Pre-K and Kindergarten) or Rec 1 (Grades 1-2) as a primary program, the following options are available:
• Credits: A credit of $82 may be claimed by completing this short survey between now and June 30, 2020. Once processed, this credit can be applied to any future programming (camp, seasonal registration, clinic, etc.) between now and December 31, 2021.
• Donations: Families who are willing to donate their registration fee in lieu of a credit may do so. Donations are tax-deductible to the full value of your registration fee and will be used to assist players in need of financial assistance, as well as to support the free after-school programs we provide to Title I schools in Loudoun County. In normal years, we offer more than $125,000 annually in assistance to enable families with financial need to participate in our programs. We anticipate an increase in need for assistance in Fall 2020 and beyond. No action is necessary to convert your registration fee to a donation. If we have not received a response to receive your credit by June 30, 2020, the registration fee will be treated as a donation. A gift receipt may be provided, as will our heartfelt gratitude.
• Adult League team captains will be contacted separately via email regarding their credit.
• We will provide additional guidance with respect to our Travel and ECNL programs by May 20.

This plan balances the need to support our ongoing operations with the financial needs of our families. The good news is once we can safely return to the playing field, we will be ready to serve our community as we have for the last 42 years, with our dedicated and experienced staff in place.
Our staff and Board are working closely together to ensure the future of Loudoun Soccer. Please know that the health and safety of our participants and families is more important than ever. As our staff prepares for the Summer programming and the launch of Fall registration, we are working with local, state, and national organizations to ensure best practices are adopted and new protocols are in place for all of our programs and participants (players, coaches, parents, and referees).

Our Club is committed to offering these soccer opportunities, not just for the chance to play this beautiful game but for the priceless benefits youth sports offer – the rewards we receive from effort, commitment, teamwork, and growth, and the life lessons that are taught along the way.
Our goal and mission for the last 42 years at Loudoun Soccer has been to Develop Champions for Life. This remains our north star, and we look forward to continuing that mission with you.

Loudoun Soccer Board of Directors

1/2 year later and this organization who claims to create champions for life (?) is (still) actively working on retaining unethically and immorally kept funds for the non Spring 2020 season.

How do I know? They just did it to me. My credit card company has been pretty slow on this. Granted, I did not file immediately after like most of the affected people. But I’m shocked after being saved in Fall with new registrations they want to still retain Spring $.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of the comments are wild. Ask for a refund and leave?

It’s been 6 months and the Loser $occer is still denying refunds on credit cards.

Guess you just finished hibernating?

Why would you get a refund?