Why is there a teacher shortage?

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Anonymous wrote:Simple answer is teachers are treated like unpro crap and blamed for society's ills while being paid peanuts and getting no support from the admin or union.

That’s the reason. I can’t think of another profession requiring a specialized degree and license that pays so little

I can’t think of any other profession that gets over 3 months off per year.

Me neither since it's more like two months. Even that doesn't help. There is a shortage and it will get worse. Nobody seems to care to do anything about it. Eventually, schools will go to a model that already exists in places. One certified teacher will teach online while many classrooms will watch. They will employ monitors to watch the kids in person in the classrooms.

Summer alone is 2.5 months. There are lot more days/weeks off and vacations during the school year. It is a lot of time off

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HELP THOUGH, DOES IT? If these benefits are so awesome, people should be flocking to fill these positions but they aren't. We've had vacancies for over a year and not one person has even applied to most of them.

So…teachers should get paid a lot more for working a lot less?

Let’s be very, very clear about this:
Apparently these glorious summers aren’t a huge perk. WE ARE ALL STILL LEAVING. If you think these amazing summers are worth it, then apply to work as a teacher.

You clearly know the workload and the pay AREN’T worth it, because I don’t see you lining up for an interview. I don’t see anybody lining up for an interview!

I’m so sick of hearing “but you get all this time off.” I work 7 days a week. Yes, 7. I am never caught up. I spend my glorious unpaid summers you seem to crave in classes that I PAY FOR in order to keep my certification.

So just stop with the “all the time off” nonsense. Frankly, it’s very insulting.

Teachers haters irrationally hate teachers. There is literally nothing that you can explain to them that will help them understand.

No one hates teachers, but let’s not claim teachers are working 8+ hrs per day 7 days per week and 365 days per year. They don’t. In fact, it’s been discussed to pay teachers more and have them be year round employee and many teachers chimed in stating there isn’t enough work for them to do. No other profession gets as many vacation days as teachers do. Some people want to make a lot of money and seek a job that pays as such, but you’d be lucky to get. Some people would rather make less and have more time off and a schedule more closely aligned to the days off their children have. Short of taking FMLA leave, no other employee could take the same number of (unpaid) days off a teacher has without getting fired. The avg American only gets 11-15 paid vacation days, of which most people don’t even take for various reasons. That is comparable to the paid time off teachers get as well.

Teachers don’t get paid time off. They work 180 days and get paid got those 180 days.

My kids have 6 teachers/6 classes daily. There seems to be a least one sub per week in a class, sometimes more. Does this get deducted from their 180 days of paid working days?

Most teachers get 8-10 days of leave a year. So those teachers lost a day of leave, yes.

I think the PP is trying to point out that the days teachers don’t work (summer break, spring break, etc) aren’t actually leave. Teachers contracts are for 180-190 days a year. Breaks aren’t “leave”. They just aren’t work days. Teachers aren’t paid for them.

(And they often are work days. When I taught public school, my family was very mad at me for grading on thanksgiving. I had no choice. It had to get done.)

So teachers do get paid time off in addition to the unpaid breaks

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I get one paid personal day per year. I get paid sick days too. There are no paid vacation days unless you are a 12 month employee.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple answer is teachers are treated like unpro crap and blamed for society's ills while being paid peanuts and getting no support from the admin or union.

That’s the reason. I can’t think of another profession requiring a specialized degree and license that pays so little

I can’t think of any other profession that gets over 3 months off per year.

Me neither since it's more like two months. Even that doesn't help. There is a shortage and it will get worse. Nobody seems to care to do anything about it. Eventually, schools will go to a model that already exists in places. One certified teacher will teach online while many classrooms will watch. They will employ monitors to watch the kids in person in the classrooms.

Summer alone is 2.5 months. There are lot more days/weeks off and vacations during the school year. It is a lot of time off

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HELP THOUGH, DOES IT? If these benefits are so awesome, people should be flocking to fill these positions but they aren't. We've had vacancies for over a year and not one person has even applied to most of them.

So…teachers should get paid a lot more for working a lot less?

Let’s be very, very clear about this:
Apparently these glorious summers aren’t a huge perk. WE ARE ALL STILL LEAVING. If you think these amazing summers are worth it, then apply to work as a teacher.

You clearly know the workload and the pay AREN’T worth it, because I don’t see you lining up for an interview. I don’t see anybody lining up for an interview!

I’m so sick of hearing “but you get all this time off.” I work 7 days a week. Yes, 7. I am never caught up. I spend my glorious unpaid summers you seem to crave in classes that I PAY FOR in order to keep my certification.

So just stop with the “all the time off” nonsense. Frankly, it’s very insulting.

Teachers haters irrationally hate teachers. There is literally nothing that you can explain to them that will help them understand.

No one hates teachers, but let’s not claim teachers are working 8+ hrs per day 7 days per week and 365 days per year. They don’t. In fact, it’s been discussed to pay teachers more and have them be year round employee and many teachers chimed in stating there isn’t enough work for them to do. No other profession gets as many vacation days as teachers do. Some people want to make a lot of money and seek a job that pays as such, but you’d be lucky to get. Some people would rather make less and have more time off and a schedule more closely aligned to the days off their children have. Short of taking FMLA leave, no other employee could take the same number of (unpaid) days off a teacher has without getting fired. The avg American only gets 11-15 paid vacation days, of which most people don’t even take for various reasons. That is comparable to the paid time off teachers get as well.

Teachers don’t get paid time off. They work 180 days and get paid got those 180 days.

My kids have 6 teachers/6 classes daily. There seems to be a least one sub per week in a class, sometimes more. Does this get deducted from their 180 days of paid working days?

Most teachers get 8-10 days of leave a year. So those teachers lost a day of leave, yes.

I think the PP is trying to point out that the days teachers don’t work (summer break, spring break, etc) aren’t actually leave. Teachers contracts are for 180-190 days a year. Breaks aren’t “leave”. They just aren’t work days. Teachers aren’t paid for them.

(And they often are work days. When I taught public school, my family was very mad at me for grading on thanksgiving. I had no choice. It had to get done.)

So teachers do get paid time off in addition to the unpaid breaks

Do you think of your weekends as “unpaid breaks”? I suspect you don’t.

So 10 days of leave for 190 days of work. That’s not a lot.

My husband gets 45 days of personal leave a year, including 2 additional weeks at Christmas. He also gets paid about three times more than a teacher and doesn’t work 40 hours a week. He can take just 1 hour of leave and doesn’t have to do anything to prepare for it. He has true flexibility.

I think you are trying to make the argument that teachers have it so good. They don’t. Period. That’s why the teacher shortage exists.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple answer is teachers are treated like unpro crap and blamed for society's ills while being paid peanuts and getting no support from the admin or union.

That’s the reason. I can’t think of another profession requiring a specialized degree and license that pays so little

I can’t think of any other profession that gets over 3 months off per year.

Me neither since it's more like two months. Even that doesn't help. There is a shortage and it will get worse. Nobody seems to care to do anything about it. Eventually, schools will go to a model that already exists in places. One certified teacher will teach online while many classrooms will watch. They will employ monitors to watch the kids in person in the classrooms.

Summer alone is 2.5 months. There are lot more days/weeks off and vacations during the school year. It is a lot of time off

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HELP THOUGH, DOES IT? If these benefits are so awesome, people should be flocking to fill these positions but they aren't. We've had vacancies for over a year and not one person has even applied to most of them.

So…teachers should get paid a lot more for working a lot less?

Let’s be very, very clear about this:
Apparently these glorious summers aren’t a huge perk. WE ARE ALL STILL LEAVING. If you think these amazing summers are worth it, then apply to work as a teacher.

You clearly know the workload and the pay AREN’T worth it, because I don’t see you lining up for an interview. I don’t see anybody lining up for an interview!

I’m so sick of hearing “but you get all this time off.” I work 7 days a week. Yes, 7. I am never caught up. I spend my glorious unpaid summers you seem to crave in classes that I PAY FOR in order to keep my certification.

So just stop with the “all the time off” nonsense. Frankly, it’s very insulting.

Teachers haters irrationally hate teachers. There is literally nothing that you can explain to them that will help them understand.

No one hates teachers, but let’s not claim teachers are working 8+ hrs per day 7 days per week and 365 days per year. They don’t. In fact, it’s been discussed to pay teachers more and have them be year round employee and many teachers chimed in stating there isn’t enough work for them to do. No other profession gets as many vacation days as teachers do. Some people want to make a lot of money and seek a job that pays as such, but you’d be lucky to get. Some people would rather make less and have more time off and a schedule more closely aligned to the days off their children have. Short of taking FMLA leave, no other employee could take the same number of (unpaid) days off a teacher has without getting fired. The avg American only gets 11-15 paid vacation days, of which most people don’t even take for various reasons. That is comparable to the paid time off teachers get as well.

Teachers don’t get paid time off. They work 180 days and get paid got those 180 days.

My kids have 6 teachers/6 classes daily. There seems to be a least one sub per week in a class, sometimes more. Does this get deducted from their 180 days of paid working days?

Most teachers get 8-10 days of leave a year. So those teachers lost a day of leave, yes.

I think the PP is trying to point out that the days teachers don’t work (summer break, spring break, etc) aren’t actually leave. Teachers contracts are for 180-190 days a year. Breaks aren’t “leave”. They just aren’t work days. Teachers aren’t paid for them.

(And they often are work days. When I taught public school, my family was very mad at me for grading on thanksgiving. I had no choice. It had to get done.)

So teachers do get paid time off in addition to the unpaid breaks

Do you think of your weekends as “unpaid breaks”? I suspect you don’t.

So 10 days of leave for 190 days of work. That’s not a lot.

My husband gets 45 days of personal leave a year, including 2 additional weeks at Christmas. He also gets paid about three times more than a teacher and doesn’t work 40 hours a week. He can take just 1 hour of leave and doesn’t have to do anything to prepare for it. He has true flexibility.

I think you are trying to make the argument that teachers have it so good. They don’t. Period. That’s why the teacher shortage exists.

DP. No, teachers don't have it "so good," but we should be clear about what are and are not problems. Given salary levels, combined with the ability to make more money over the summer, pay isn't a major problem for teachers in the area. Limited personal leave is a challenge, mitigated by some of the breaks. But every decent teacher I know is always regularly up late working on grading or lesson plans.

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Most teachers I know like the schedule because it allows them to be there for their kids for much of the summer. On the other hand, it’s not such a perk that it’s keeping them from leaving.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple answer is teachers are treated like unpro crap and blamed for society's ills while being paid peanuts and getting no support from the admin or union.

That’s the reason. I can’t think of another profession requiring a specialized degree and license that pays so little

I can’t think of any other profession that gets over 3 months off per year.

Me neither since it's more like two months. Even that doesn't help. There is a shortage and it will get worse. Nobody seems to care to do anything about it. Eventually, schools will go to a model that already exists in places. One certified teacher will teach online while many classrooms will watch. They will employ monitors to watch the kids in person in the classrooms.

Summer alone is 2.5 months. There are lot more days/weeks off and vacations during the school year. It is a lot of time off

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HELP THOUGH, DOES IT? If these benefits are so awesome, people should be flocking to fill these positions but they aren't. We've had vacancies for over a year and not one person has even applied to most of them.

So…teachers should get paid a lot more for working a lot less?

Let’s be very, very clear about this:
Apparently these glorious summers aren’t a huge perk. WE ARE ALL STILL LEAVING. If you think these amazing summers are worth it, then apply to work as a teacher.

You clearly know the workload and the pay AREN’T worth it, because I don’t see you lining up for an interview. I don’t see anybody lining up for an interview!

I’m so sick of hearing “but you get all this time off.” I work 7 days a week. Yes, 7. I am never caught up. I spend my glorious unpaid summers you seem to crave in classes that I PAY FOR in order to keep my certification.

So just stop with the “all the time off” nonsense. Frankly, it’s very insulting.

Teachers haters irrationally hate teachers. There is literally nothing that you can explain to them that will help them understand.

No one hates teachers, but let’s not claim teachers are working 8+ hrs per day 7 days per week and 365 days per year. They don’t. In fact, it’s been discussed to pay teachers more and have them be year round employee and many teachers chimed in stating there isn’t enough work for them to do. No other profession gets as many vacation days as teachers do. Some people want to make a lot of money and seek a job that pays as such, but you’d be lucky to get. Some people would rather make less and have more time off and a schedule more closely aligned to the days off their children have. Short of taking FMLA leave, no other employee could take the same number of (unpaid) days off a teacher has without getting fired. The avg American only gets 11-15 paid vacation days, of which most people don’t even take for various reasons. That is comparable to the paid time off teachers get as well.

Teachers don’t get paid time off. They work 180 days and get paid got those 180 days.

My kids have 6 teachers/6 classes daily. There seems to be a least one sub per week in a class, sometimes more. Does this get deducted from their 180 days of paid working days?

If I am not at work, and my leave is approved as a sick day, and I still have some of my 8 days left, then it's deducted from my leave. Otherwise it's unpaid leave.

But, often, when there is a sub in my classroom it's because I am in an IEP meeting or something else that's a work function and that is not deducted from my leave or my pay.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple answer is teachers are treated like unpro crap and blamed for society's ills while being paid peanuts and getting no support from the admin or union.

That’s the reason. I can’t think of another profession requiring a specialized degree and license that pays so little

I can’t think of any other profession that gets over 3 months off per year.

Me neither since it's more like two months. Even that doesn't help. There is a shortage and it will get worse. Nobody seems to care to do anything about it. Eventually, schools will go to a model that already exists in places. One certified teacher will teach online while many classrooms will watch. They will employ monitors to watch the kids in person in the classrooms.

Summer alone is 2.5 months. There are lot more days/weeks off and vacations during the school year. It is a lot of time off

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HELP THOUGH, DOES IT? If these benefits are so awesome, people should be flocking to fill these positions but they aren't. We've had vacancies for over a year and not one person has even applied to most of them.

So…teachers should get paid a lot more for working a lot less?

Let’s be very, very clear about this:
Apparently these glorious summers aren’t a huge perk. WE ARE ALL STILL LEAVING. If you think these amazing summers are worth it, then apply to work as a teacher.

You clearly know the workload and the pay AREN’T worth it, because I don’t see you lining up for an interview. I don’t see anybody lining up for an interview!

I’m so sick of hearing “but you get all this time off.” I work 7 days a week. Yes, 7. I am never caught up. I spend my glorious unpaid summers you seem to crave in classes that I PAY FOR in order to keep my certification.

So just stop with the “all the time off” nonsense. Frankly, it’s very insulting.

Teachers haters irrationally hate teachers. There is literally nothing that you can explain to them that will help them understand.

No one hates teachers, but let’s not claim teachers are working 8+ hrs per day 7 days per week and 365 days per year. They don’t. In fact, it’s been discussed to pay teachers more and have them be year round employee and many teachers chimed in stating there isn’t enough work for them to do. No other profession gets as many vacation days as teachers do. Some people want to make a lot of money and seek a job that pays as such, but you’d be lucky to get. Some people would rather make less and have more time off and a schedule more closely aligned to the days off their children have. Short of taking FMLA leave, no other employee could take the same number of (unpaid) days off a teacher has without getting fired. The avg American only gets 11-15 paid vacation days, of which most people don’t even take for various reasons. That is comparable to the paid time off teachers get as well.

Teachers don’t get paid time off. They work 180 days and get paid got those 180 days.

My kids have 6 teachers/6 classes daily. There seems to be a least one sub per week in a class, sometimes more. Does this get deducted from their 180 days of paid working days?

Most teachers get 8-10 days of leave a year. So those teachers lost a day of leave, yes.

I think the PP is trying to point out that the days teachers don’t work (summer break, spring break, etc) aren’t actually leave. Teachers contracts are for 180-190 days a year. Breaks aren’t “leave”. They just aren’t work days. Teachers aren’t paid for them.

(And they often are work days. When I taught public school, my family was very mad at me for grading on thanksgiving. I had no choice. It had to get done.)

So teachers do get paid time off in addition to the unpaid breaks

Do you think of your weekends as “unpaid breaks”? I suspect you don’t.

So 10 days of leave for 190 days of work. That’s not a lot.

My husband gets 45 days of personal leave a year, including 2 additional weeks at Christmas. He also gets paid about three times more than a teacher and doesn’t work 40 hours a week. He can take just 1 hour of leave and doesn’t have to do anything to prepare for it. He has true flexibility.

I think you are trying to make the argument that teachers have it so good. They don’t. Period. That’s why the teacher shortage exists.

DP. No, teachers don't have it "so good," but we should be clear about what are and are not problems. Given salary levels, combined with the ability to make more money over the summer, pay isn't a major problem for teachers in the area. Limited personal leave is a challenge, mitigated by some of the breaks. But every decent teacher I know is always regularly up late working on grading or lesson plans.

This is why pay is the least of my concerns. You could double my pay and I still won’t stay.

It’s the demands of the job. It’s being “on stage” most of my day. It’s managing 150 people, many of whom don’t want to be managed, and then being held accountable for how they do. It’s grading! Grading at 4pm, 9pm, 11pm, and 6am on Saturdays. It’s nonstop emails that I don’t have time to respond to. It’s giving every opportunity to a student, and then having a parent tear me apart when all of my efforts fail. It’s covering for other teachers because they quit mid-year, meaning I get less time to do my own work. It’s administrators who create work for me to justify their own jobs.

Pay me three times more and I will still quit. It isn’t worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple answer is teachers are treated like unpro crap and blamed for society's ills while being paid peanuts and getting no support from the admin or union.

That’s the reason. I can’t think of another profession requiring a specialized degree and license that pays so little

I can’t think of any other profession that gets over 3 months off per year.

Me neither since it's more like two months. Even that doesn't help. There is a shortage and it will get worse. Nobody seems to care to do anything about it. Eventually, schools will go to a model that already exists in places. One certified teacher will teach online while many classrooms will watch. They will employ monitors to watch the kids in person in the classrooms.

Summer alone is 2.5 months. There are lot more days/weeks off and vacations during the school year. It is a lot of time off

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HELP THOUGH, DOES IT? If these benefits are so awesome, people should be flocking to fill these positions but they aren't. We've had vacancies for over a year and not one person has even applied to most of them.

So…teachers should get paid a lot more for working a lot less?

Let’s be very, very clear about this:
Apparently these glorious summers aren’t a huge perk. WE ARE ALL STILL LEAVING. If you think these amazing summers are worth it, then apply to work as a teacher.

You clearly know the workload and the pay AREN’T worth it, because I don’t see you lining up for an interview. I don’t see anybody lining up for an interview!

I’m so sick of hearing “but you get all this time off.” I work 7 days a week. Yes, 7. I am never caught up. I spend my glorious unpaid summers you seem to crave in classes that I PAY FOR in order to keep my certification.

So just stop with the “all the time off” nonsense. Frankly, it’s very insulting.

Teachers haters irrationally hate teachers. There is literally nothing that you can explain to them that will help them understand.

No one hates teachers, but let’s not claim teachers are working 8+ hrs per day 7 days per week and 365 days per year. They don’t. In fact, it’s been discussed to pay teachers more and have them be year round employee and many teachers chimed in stating there isn’t enough work for them to do. No other profession gets as many vacation days as teachers do. Some people want to make a lot of money and seek a job that pays as such, but you’d be lucky to get. Some people would rather make less and have more time off and a schedule more closely aligned to the days off their children have. Short of taking FMLA leave, no other employee could take the same number of (unpaid) days off a teacher has without getting fired. The avg American only gets 11-15 paid vacation days, of which most people don’t even take for various reasons. That is comparable to the paid time off teachers get as well.

Teachers don’t get paid time off. They work 180 days and get paid got those 180 days.

My kids have 6 teachers/6 classes daily. There seems to be a least one sub per week in a class, sometimes more. Does this get deducted from their 180 days of paid working days?

Most teachers get 8-10 days of leave a year. So those teachers lost a day of leave, yes.

I think the PP is trying to point out that the days teachers don’t work (summer break, spring break, etc) aren’t actually leave. Teachers contracts are for 180-190 days a year. Breaks aren’t “leave”. They just aren’t work days. Teachers aren’t paid for them.

(And they often are work days. When I taught public school, my family was very mad at me for grading on thanksgiving. I had no choice. It had to get done.)

So teachers do get paid time off in addition to the unpaid breaks

Do you think of your weekends as “unpaid breaks”? I suspect you don’t.

So 10 days of leave for 190 days of work. That’s not a lot.

My husband gets 45 days of personal leave a year, including 2 additional weeks at Christmas. He also gets paid about three times more than a teacher and doesn’t work 40 hours a week. He can take just 1 hour of leave and doesn’t have to do anything to prepare for it. He has true flexibility.

I think you are trying to make the argument that teachers have it so good. They don’t. Period. That’s why the teacher shortage exists.

DP. No, teachers don't have it "so good," but we should be clear about what are and are not problems. Given salary levels, combined with the ability to make more money over the summer, pay isn't a major problem for teachers in the area. Limited personal leave is a challenge, mitigated by some of the breaks. But every decent teacher I know is always regularly up late working on grading or lesson plans.

This is why pay is the least of my concerns. You could double my pay and I still won’t stay.

It’s the demands of the job. It’s being “on stage” most of my day. It’s managing 150 people, many of whom don’t want to be managed, and then being held accountable for how they do. It’s grading! Grading at 4pm, 9pm, 11pm, and 6am on Saturdays. It’s nonstop emails that I don’t have time to respond to. It’s giving every opportunity to a student, and then having a parent tear me apart when all of my efforts fail. It’s covering for other teachers because they quit mid-year, meaning I get less time to do my own work. It’s administrators who create work for me to justify their own jobs.

Pay me three times more and I will still quit. It isn’t worth it.

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I would happily keep teaching for $100k. I think after 15 years, a masters degree, and running my department that’s reasonable. Instead, I’m mid $70s with another 0% COLA this year. I don’t know what I’ll do next year. Contemplating a LOA to transition outside education.

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Anonymous wrote:I would happily keep teaching for $100k. I think after 15 years, a masters degree, and running my department that’s reasonable. Instead, I’m mid $70s with another 0% COLA this year. I don’t know what I’ll do next year. Contemplating a LOA to transition outside education.

That's what teachers would make in MCPS and recruiting/retaining is still a challenge.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure we all know the answer to this.

Low pay + long hours + low respect =/= high demand

This. Too much work to do on the weekends and evenings which teachers aren’t getting paid for.

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Anonymous wrote:I get one paid personal day per year. I get paid sick days too. There are no paid vacation days unless you are a 12 month employee.

That stinks.

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Anonymous wrote:Most teachers I know like the schedule because it allows them to be there for their kids for much of the summer. On the other hand, it’s not such a perk that it’s keeping them from leaving.

Are you claiming that most teachers have school aged children?

Or that you only know women in that age bracket?

The belief that somehow teachers don’t have the right to complain because their primary identity is as mothers is so deeply misogynistic.

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Anonymous wrote:Most teachers I know like the schedule because it allows them to be there for their kids for much of the summer. On the other hand, it’s not such a perk that it’s keeping them from leaving.

+1, I also know teachers without kids who like it because it allows them to take longer vacations in the summer. I have a friend who teaches and she does foreign travel every summer. She's considered changing fields because there are things about teaching she doesn't like, but she's really reluctant to give up the ability to go abroad for a full month -- if you love foreign travel but don't have a ton of money, it's a much more economical way to do it because you only buy the plane tickets once and then you can visit multiple countries and cities.

So in her case, I guess sit is a perk that keeps her from leaving. She's also a 15 yr veteran in a district that pays well though, and has a good pension. I think the teacher shortage is really most acute places where teachers are paid poorly. Teachers in most DMV districts actually make pretty good money, especially if they put in some years to reach the highest pay step, and/or are willing to work in Title 1 schools, which many are. I know teachers in this area who make around 140k plus will qualify for a full pension in their 50s. Even in a high COL area like this, that's really not bad at all. Especially if you are married to someone with a similar or better income.

I get why teachers quit, it's a tough job and doesn't get enough respect. It's also my impression that many schools and districts are just incredibly poorly run, and no matter what field you're in, working for dysfunctional organizations wears you down over time. It's my impression that at least in the DMV, job dissatisfaction among teachers is driven by stuff like hating curriculum changes or bad administration, much more so than low pay or annoying parents. The pay is not that low and, tbh, if you are in the DMV at a school where the parents are involved enough to be annoying, you probably recognize that the alternative is a school with little to know parental involvement, which is generally a lot harder.

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Anonymous wrote:Most teachers I know like the schedule because it allows them to be there for their kids for much of the summer. On the other hand, it’s not such a perk that it’s keeping them from leaving.

Are you claiming that most teachers have school aged children?

Or that you only know women in that age bracket?

The belief that somehow teachers don’t have the right to complain because their primary identity is as mothers is so deeply misogynistic.

DP. It seems like you're being misogynistic by implying that only mothers care for their children.