Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

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Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...

They come because Republicans keep hiring them.

Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)

All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?

You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.

Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?

Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.

American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.

then we need to give those foreign fruit pickers status. we cannot have a permanent underclass who live in the shadows, are both exploited and stealing ametican identities /exploiting american citizens. i used to work in a medical clininc in TP MD and so many people were sharing SS#s and scamming medicaid.

There is already a guest worker program for migrant farmworkers. If farms are using undocumented labor, it is because they don’t want to use existing formal channels. We can all speculate as to why.

So it boils down to employers choosing to hire undocumented workers. Want to stop this crap? You find out who's employing them and fine *them*, punish *them*, regulate *them.* Going after the migrants won't work unless there's nothing here for them unless done legally. But Trump/MAGA/any Republican really won't do that because it's too fun to punch down on the "illegals."

Punish both sides. At the same time .

All criminals and fraudsters deported immediately. High priority.

Stop citizenship by birth too. A fruit picker doesn’t need to show up with wives, aunts, children.

OR legitimize and regulate the employment relationship.

Create a guest worker program designed to cover existing employed undocumented workers who are paying taxes and otherwise following the law. Create a curing period where workers and employers can together obtain guest worker status and valid visas in order to remain in their jobs. Employers who continue to employ undocumented workers after the curing period will be fined to help pay for the costs of deporting those workers. Employers who knowingly employ workers (with or without visas) who are violating tax law or committing other crimes are also fined. Guest workers must submit to monitoring and if they don't remain in good standing with regards to taxes and avoiding criminal activity, they are deported.

Use tax apparatus to encourage the employment behaviors we want and discourage those we don't. Use fines and regulation to punish employers who attempt to avoid the program or use it inappropriately to undercut American workers. Crack down on undocumented independent contractors using cash businesses to avoid both legal immigration and paying taxes. Require such workers to apply for valid business licenses on special visas and then make this info easily available to consumers so that it's easy for people to hire documented workers as independent contractors. Fine people who hire undocumented contractors. Use fines to help fund that system that will process and monitor guest workers and conduct deportations when necessary.

This can be a pragmatic, technical resolution that helps everyone. It can have punitive elements (deportation, fines) for negative behaviors but overall it should operate as a carrot instead of a stick. Immigrants who want access to jobs in the US should only be able to get them through legitimate means.

Throwing everyone out makes no sense when such a large portion of undocumented workers are gainfully employed in jobs for which employers desperately need workers and these workers and employers pay taxes and are not otherwise violating the law. If we legitimize these workers and regulate them that will make it easier for us to go after the immigrants who are NOT otherwise complying with the law and the employers who use undocumented workers simply to undercut American workers and avoid taxes.

Most illegals are NOT “Gainfully employed” most of the 12 month year.

They’re bouncing around chasing cash pay jobs, tripping all over each other and newbies, and getting bullied to pay others’ rent and remit more money to the homeland.

This is true. My Uber driver (likely an illegal) was very stressed out by all the people demanding money from her- housemates, homeland family, friends.

Zero respect for any system. Total free for all.

That happens to everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is against deporting criminals? Farm workers aren't getting deported unless they are felons. If the country could just start with deporting criminals AND vetting everyone who arrives it will make this country safer.

So much money is being spent on incarcerating people who should have never been admitted or should have been deported after they were released from jail/prison.

umm.. no one? Including liberals?

Deporting felons had been the policy for a long time. If that’s all Trump is going to do, then what was all of this “mass deportation” stuff during the election?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is against deporting criminals? Farm workers aren't getting deported unless they are felons. If the country could just start with deporting criminals AND vetting everyone who arrives it will make this country safer.

So much money is being spent on incarcerating people who should have never been admitted or should have been deported after they were released from jail/prison.

umm.. no one? Including liberals?

Deporting felons had been the policy for a long time. If that’s all Trump is going to do, then what was all of this “mass deportation” stuff during the election?

It’s a good sound bite and triggers progressives into over the top responses defending the indefensible.

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Anonymous wrote:So it's expensive to send people back to their countries but not expensive to use FEMA money to fly them all over the US after coming here illegally? Can someone explain this to me?

The liberal argument makes no sense. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars flying migrants across the country, housing them, feeding them. A one-way plane ticket back to their country of origin would be much cheaper than all of the costs we are currently paying for migrants. We shouldn’t have to bear the burden of other countries lack of economic development and poor governance. The migrants are not asylum seekers. They are economic migrants. They don’t qualify for asylum, and we can’t take in every poor person in the world hoping for a better life.

dp.. The US doesn't fly every single illegal immigrant around the US. But, MAGA are salivating over deportations of every single illegal immigrant. That would, indeed, be very expensive. Also, these people need to be adjudicated. There is a years long backlog in the immigration courts.

Why do they need to be in the country waiting to be adjudicated? They can wait in their home countries or Mexico for their court date. The wait time is a huge part of the draw of gaming the system. They are just buying time. Then they have babies, create ties to the community and of course by the time their court date rolls around, it would be "inhumane" to their recently born American children for them to be deported. It's such a scam.

The "why" is not the point of my post.

Realistically, the millions of undocumented here who have not committed any other crimes (being undocumented is a misdemeanor) will need to be adjudicated before they can be deported. And considering that there is a years long backlog in judges seeing these cases, this is going to be expensive.

Very common illegals’ crimes:
Illegal border crossing
ID fraud
Tax fraud
Unregistered & uninsured vehicles
No health insurance, just show up at Holy Cross.

Somewhat common:
Hit & run accidents
Illegal voting w fake ID
Illegal welfare recipient w fake ID
Human trafficking
Drug trafficking
Gang shake downs
Rape

? Like I said, most illegal immigrants need to be adjudicated before they can be deported. Doesn't matter if they committed ID fraud.

Everyone is fine with deporting violent criminals. But, some business owners, like in construction and farming (mainly R voters), think full scale deportation is going to hurt the US economy. If you have a problem with that, talk to those business owners.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/23/g-s1-35465/trump-deportation-migrants-immigrants-texas-construction-industry-border-security

Dude, you should know better than to slap up an NPR link. Even too biased and tainted for DCUM.

Well, I'm pretty sure no right wing media is going to say Trump's deportation will hurt the economy.

But, here are other sources.


https://www.enr.com/articles/59464-we-depend-on-immigrants-say-texas-construction-employers

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/lone-star-politics/texas-impacted-trump-mass-deportation-programs/3700481/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-immigration-deportations-home-building-costs-rcna172886

Just remember what happened in FL

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/people-arent-showing-up-to-work-south-florida-workers-already-feeling-heat-of-immigration-bill/

Usually, after a hurricane blows through FL, undocumented people come and help with the cleanup and repairing roofs. Not anymore.

lol

You don’t get it.

Keep on picking cherries PP. And proving the exact point you think you’re refuting.

? TX and FL will be hurt by a mass deportation. Their economy actually relies on them.

I think you are the one who doesn't get it. Shrug.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is against deporting criminals? Farm workers aren't getting deported unless they are felons. If the country could just start with deporting criminals AND vetting everyone who arrives it will make this country safer.

So much money is being spent on incarcerating people who should have never been admitted or should have been deported after they were released from jail/prison.

umm.. no one? Including liberals?

Deporting felons had been the policy for a long time. If that’s all Trump is going to do, then what was all of this “mass deportation” stuff during the election?

It’s a good sound bite and triggers progressives into over the top responses defending the indefensible.

So he was lying?

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Anonymous wrote:So it's expensive to send people back to their countries but not expensive to use FEMA money to fly them all over the US after coming here illegally? Can someone explain this to me?

The liberal argument makes no sense. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars flying migrants across the country, housing them, feeding them. A one-way plane ticket back to their country of origin would be much cheaper than all of the costs we are currently paying for migrants. We shouldn’t have to bear the burden of other countries lack of economic development and poor governance. The migrants are not asylum seekers. They are economic migrants. They don’t qualify for asylum, and we can’t take in every poor person in the world hoping for a better life.

dp.. The US doesn't fly every single illegal immigrant around the US. But, MAGA are salivating over deportations of every single illegal immigrant. That would, indeed, be very expensive. Also, these people need to be adjudicated. There is a years long backlog in the immigration courts.

Why do they need to be in the country waiting to be adjudicated? They can wait in their home countries or Mexico for their court date. The wait time is a huge part of the draw of gaming the system. They are just buying time. Then they have babies, create ties to the community and of course by the time their court date rolls around, it would be "inhumane" to their recently born American children for them to be deported. It's such a scam.

The "why" is not the point of my post.

Realistically, the millions of undocumented here who have not committed any other crimes (being undocumented is a misdemeanor) will need to be adjudicated before they can be deported. And considering that there is a years long backlog in judges seeing these cases, this is going to be expensive.

Very common illegals’ crimes:
Illegal border crossing
ID fraud
Tax fraud
Unregistered & uninsured vehicles
No health insurance, just show up at Holy Cross.

Somewhat common:
Hit & run accidents
Illegal voting w fake ID
Illegal welfare recipient w fake ID
Human trafficking
Drug trafficking
Gang shake downs
Rape

? Like I said, most illegal immigrants need to be adjudicated before they can be deported. Doesn't matter if they committed ID fraud.

Everyone is fine with deporting violent criminals. But, some business owners, like in construction and farming (mainly R voters), think full scale deportation is going to hurt the US economy. If you have a problem with that, talk to those business owners.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/23/g-s1-35465/trump-deportation-migrants-immigrants-texas-construction-industry-border-security

We don't need to talk to anyone. We voted for mass deporations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So it's expensive to send people back to their countries but not expensive to use FEMA money to fly them all over the US after coming here illegally? Can someone explain this to me?

The liberal argument makes no sense. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars flying migrants across the country, housing them, feeding them. A one-way plane ticket back to their country of origin would be much cheaper than all of the costs we are currently paying for migrants. We shouldn’t have to bear the burden of other countries lack of economic development and poor governance. The migrants are not asylum seekers. They are economic migrants. They don’t qualify for asylum, and we can’t take in every poor person in the world hoping for a better life.

dp.. The US doesn't fly every single illegal immigrant around the US. But, MAGA are salivating over deportations of every single illegal immigrant. That would, indeed, be very expensive. Also, these people need to be adjudicated. There is a years long backlog in the immigration courts.

Why do they need to be in the country waiting to be adjudicated? They can wait in their home countries or Mexico for their court date. The wait time is a huge part of the draw of gaming the system. They are just buying time. Then they have babies, create ties to the community and of course by the time their court date rolls around, it would be "inhumane" to their recently born American children for them to be deported. It's such a scam.

The "why" is not the point of my post.

Realistically, the millions of undocumented here who have not committed any other crimes (being undocumented is a misdemeanor) will need to be adjudicated before they can be deported. And considering that there is a years long backlog in judges seeing these cases, this is going to be expensive.

Very common illegals’ crimes:
Illegal border crossing
ID fraud
Tax fraud
Unregistered & uninsured vehicles
No health insurance, just show up at Holy Cross.

Somewhat common:
Hit & run accidents
Illegal voting w fake ID
Illegal welfare recipient w fake ID
Human trafficking
Drug trafficking
Gang shake downs
Rape

? Like I said, most illegal immigrants need to be adjudicated before they can be deported. Doesn't matter if they committed ID fraud.

Everyone is fine with deporting violent criminals. But, some business owners, like in construction and farming (mainly R voters), think full scale deportation is going to hurt the US economy. If you have a problem with that, talk to those business owners.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/23/g-s1-35465/trump-deportation-migrants-immigrants-texas-construction-industry-border-security

We don't need to talk to anyone. We voted for mass deporations.

Genuine question. What will MAGA do if it doesn’t get the mass deportations?

[Anonymous]

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Bit late to have this discussion now.

Maybe more focus on the actual consequences instead of the latest poll would have been worthwhile.

[Anonymous]

Couldn't one argue that the expensive part was letting all these people in in the first place?

[Anonymous]

US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

[Anonymous]

I concur with this. The greedy traitorous men who run companies using illegal labor need to be thrown in prison.

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Anonymous wrote:I concur with this. The greedy traitorous men who run companies using illegal labor need to be thrown in prison.

+1 to this guy. Say it again for all the DCUMers in the back crowing about the cost of fruits going up

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Anonymous wrote:US housing starts are about 1.4 million units. If we deport 13 million people..., we should be able to buy a couple of years (maybe 3-4) just by virtue of the decreased demand for housing. The only people I really see this hurting are slum landlords in the near term. Perhaps, we can create some jobs for our American young men and women to learn how to build homes over the next few years, build a wall, and then repurpose some of the border patrol agents to construction work.

There's always a way...

Where are all these American young men and women dying to break into construction/manual labor? Also with respect to the comment about 'repurposing' border patrol agents as constructions workers, just...wow. I feel like a greater and greater percentage of posts on this forum read like satire. It's hard to tell what's a real comment and what's said in jest.

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Bit late to have this discussion now.

Maybe more focus on the actual consequences instead of the latest poll would have been worthwhile.

It's crazy how the business sector has gotten middle class people to parrot their talking points about immigrants doing jobs Americans won't. They have been cheating people out of wages and then having Americans argue for their own replacements in the workforce. Diabolical.