Boundaries assessment update 2023

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Where do the kids in Tyson's currently go? If they go to McLean, will that bring McLean to a really low FARMS?

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

+1. Much closer to Langley than over half its current attendance area.

Stop talking about equity, FCPS, and start living it.

Langley parent here - no one cares if Langley gets assigned affordable housing from Tysons. It's fine, really. Not sure how that is "equity" but let's slap a label on it and be done with it. Equity, equity, equity.....that is all this school board and administration talk about while we start year four of not addressing learning loss associated with "virtual school" for any of the kids.....least of all those struggling the most. Our academic rigor stinks, discipline in most schools is out of control, there is active drug/alcohol use on school grounds and no one wants to talk about the widespread sex trafficking afflicting every one of our HS and MS (yeah, even the ones with low FARMS).....kids are struggling and we are rolling out DEI programming, equity grading policies and equitable boundaries. THIS IS WHY ANYONE WHO CAN IS PULLING THEIR KIDS OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOL. This is also why we need to give options to those families who cannot afford any other option true school choice. FCPS is rotting from Gatehouse on down.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

They mislead on the West Springfield renovation. Advertised the size of the expansion and then subsequently raised the size two times. All to keep kids from ever being moved to Lewis.

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do the kids in Tyson's currently go? If they go to McLean, will that bring McLean to a really low FARMS?

Tysons is currently zoned about 55% to Marshall and 45% to McLean. Not sure what you mean by the second question.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

They mislead on the West Springfield renovation. Advertised the size of the expansion and then subsequently raised the size two times. All to keep kids from ever being moved to Lewis.

If you go back and look at older CIPs you’ll see the same thing happened for Langley. For years, and when voters approved the bonds to renovate Langley, FCPS advertised that Langley would be expanded to 2100 seats during its renovation. Then, they increased the expansion mid-renovation to 2370 seats.

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

+1. Much closer to Langley than over half its current attendance area.

Stop talking about equity, FCPS, and start living it.

Langley parent here - no one cares if Langley gets assigned affordable housing from Tysons. It's fine, really. Not sure how that is "equity" but let's slap a label on it and be done with it. Equity, equity, equity.....that is all this school board and administration talk about while we start year four of not addressing learning loss associated with "virtual school" for any of the kids.....least of all those struggling the most. Our academic rigor stinks, discipline in most schools is out of control, there is active drug/alcohol use on school grounds and no one wants to talk about the widespread sex trafficking afflicting every one of our HS and MS (yeah, even the ones with low FARMS).....kids are struggling and we are rolling out DEI programming, equity grading policies and equitable boundaries. THIS IS WHY ANYONE WHO CAN IS PULLING THEIR KIDS OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOL. This is also why we need to give options to those families who cannot afford any other option true school choice. FCPS is rotting from Gatehouse on down.

Maybe ease up on the hyperbole. You could use a little more academic rigor in your persuasive writing.

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

As was said, no one currently at Langley has any issue with these neighbors being assigned.
You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

Ummmm.... Spring Hill Road is really, really long so not sure that logic works but those families would be welcome at Langley.....according the FCPS's own capacity maps on their website BOTH Langley and Marshall are at 91% so not sure where you are getting your info. Peace out.

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

+1. Much closer to Langley than over half its current attendance area.

Stop talking about equity, FCPS, and start living it.

Langley parent here - no one cares if Langley gets assigned affordable housing from Tysons. It's fine, really. Not sure how that is "equity" but let's slap a label on it and be done with it. Equity, equity, equity.....that is all this school board and administration talk about while we start year four of not addressing learning loss associated with "virtual school" for any of the kids.....least of all those struggling the most. Our academic rigor stinks, discipline in most schools is out of control, there is active drug/alcohol use on school grounds and no one wants to talk about the widespread sex trafficking afflicting every one of our HS and MS (yeah, even the ones with low FARMS).....kids are struggling and we are rolling out DEI programming, equity grading policies and equitable boundaries. THIS IS WHY ANYONE WHO CAN IS PULLING THEIR KIDS OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOL. This is also why we need to give options to those families who cannot afford any other option true school choice. FCPS is rotting from Gatehouse on down.

Tell us all about those “equitable boundaries” that have been or are now being “rolled out” in FCPS.

It’s been the exact opposite in FCPS for the last 15 years with no signs of change.

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

As was said, no one currently at Langley has any issue with these neighbors being assigned.
You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

Ummmm.... Spring Hill Road is really, really long so not sure that logic works but those families would be welcome at Langley.....according the FCPS's own capacity maps on their website BOTH Langley and Marshall are at 91% so not sure where you are getting your info. Peace out.

Exclude the cheap modular at Marshall (Langley doesn’t have one) and those percentages look rather different.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

Actually, it seems like an unusual example of common sense and foresight within FCPS. The additional seats are now very much needed. In case you hadn't heard, there's a school only 3 miles away that is grossly overcrowded and in need of somewhere to send their kids?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

Actually, it seems like an unusual example of common sense and foresight within FCPS. The additional seats are now very much needed. In case you hadn't heard, there's a school only 3 miles away that is grossly overcrowded and in need of somewhere to send their kids?

It would have made more sense to add capacity at the schools that actually need it, no?

Anyway, it’s a joke that Langley is some great resource for McLean when the GFCA fought tooth and nail to limit the number of kids redistricted in 2021. We’ve seen that movie already.

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

DP. Langley and Marshall are both at 91% capacity.
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Anonymous wrote:Expanding Langley to 2100 seats made sense. Expanding it to nearly 2400 seats only made sense in terms of reducing short-term construction costs. Now we’ll incur higher transportation costs over a much longer period.

In terms of growth, there really isn’t much projected in the Langley district, even with the recent boundary change and a few new single-family developments like the Toll Brothers project off Towlston near Route 7. FCPS has a website that includes high-end projections for potential student enrollment increases from residential development applications before the county. For Marshall, the latest estimate is 719 more kids. For McLean, it’s 617 more kids. For Westfield, it’s 397 more kids. But for Langley, it’s only 4 kids. [Search on Google for “FCPS Residential Development Applications Dashboard” if you want to confirm these numbers.]

But, sure, keep telling us the best and highest use of FCPS resources was to plow more money into Langley so we can bus more kids (or have their parents drive them until they get their licenses) longer distances for years to come. It was a great deal for building contractors, but not for taxpayers.

As was said, no one currently at Langley has any issue with these neighbors being assigned.
You do know that neighborhoods age out and turn over?

Some of those Marshall and McLean numbers must be coming from affordable housing being developed in Tysons. Seems like a good time to send some of them to Langley, right? I mean if kids can come from the Loudoun County border to Langley, a short ride from Tysons to Langley should be no problem.

DP. Sure. No one is saying otherwise. But instead of complaining endlessly on an anonymous forum, why don't you take your grievances to the SB? Also, which school are your kids zoned for?

Should anyone really have to tell them?

Sounds like your cross to bear. Good luck.

The point is that every other school in FCPS takes on some F/R students - why is Langley exempt? Why do I need to explain why this is wrong to the School Board? Why are some schools allowed to be overwhelmed with poverty? I can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have been here for many years.

I also can't wait to leave Fairfax and I have lived here for decades. My youngest will be graduating and we will be out of here after that. But my reasons for wanting to leave are different from yours and not relevant to this thread.

As many posters have already said, please show us your plan to bring low-income students to Langley. Geography is fixed. Tell us about the busing routes you seem to desire.

From any new affordable housing built in Tysons.

Cute that you think there will be affordable housing suitable for families in Tysons

DP, but here is one example: https://apah.org/communities/dominion-square/

According to FCPS, this project alone is projected to add somewhere between 32-70 more students to Marshall.

Mention this one because it's very close to an area currently zoned to Langley just across the Dulles Toll Road. The boundaries could easily be adjusted and it's been pointed out Langley remains under capacity.

There are other AH projects in the Tysons area that FCPS expects to yield students.

They certainly could do this and they may....but Marshall is literally down the street from this development and also 91% capacity. Marshall is an excellent school and likely a helluva lot more convenient for parents who may not have a car and teens with after school jobs. If they send them to Langley, its for social engineering reasons not what's best for the kids and their families.

When you say “down the street,” you’re referring to Leesburg Pike/Route 7, a major road. You have to go through the center of busy Tysons to get from Dominion Square to Marshall HS. It’s not like anyone would be walking to the school.

The development is on Spring Hill Road and, as you may know, most of Spring Hill Road is already in the Langley district, and Spring Hill ES is in the Langley pyramid.

Also, whereas Langley is under capacity, Marshall is at about full capacity, so redistricting this new development to Langley would make it more likely that Marshall could again accept pupil placements for IB. Unlike in other parts of the county, there aren’t many IB schools in that part of the county.

So there are multiple reasons that might justify reassigning this area to Langley apart from “social engineering,” although that’s not to say that adding some housing diversity to Langley might not be worth doing on its own merits.

Ummmm.... Spring Hill Road is really, really long so not sure that logic works but those families would be welcome at Langley.....according the FCPS's own capacity maps on their website BOTH Langley and Marshall are at 91% so not sure where you are getting your info. Peace out.

Exclude the cheap modular at Marshall (Langley doesn’t have one) and those percentages look rather different.

DP. Are you aware an entire half of the parking lot at Langley was a modular "city" prior to the renovation? The percentages are exactly the same.