BASIS DC will seek to expand to include K to 4th grade

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see BASIS be allowed to open w/ the condition that there's no feed to the MS and see how many people actually want BASIS-style education for their K-4th graders. I bet they'd fill, but with a totally different population than their MS.

Saying that people will go to BASIS K for the MS feed does *not* mean there's demand for BASIS K; it means there's demand for BASIS MS. We already have BASIS MS, so the question is why an ES in an area already saturated by serviceable to very good ESes serves DC's interests. The fact that every other BASIS has K-4 does not answer this question at all.

In a forum filled with dumb takes, yours takes the cake, madam. All school decisions are in essence about not just that year or that school, but the feeder pattern. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

It's actually amazing how much you're missing the point. The question is whether there's demand for BASIS K independent of BASIS middle. There is already a BASIS middle, DC doesn't get value add out of adding a BASIS K unless there is *independent* demand for it. Shuffling different kids into BASIS earlier doesn't help DC overall. MSes are not entitled to open ESes just because they want to.

Two things:
1. These are not independent. I know for you (with your good ES) it feels like they are, but that doesn't make it so.
2. If they fill the seats there is demand. At which point you will be back on here saying the people who chose BASIS should not have been allowed to or should have stayed in their IB school. Because what is best for you is clearly the choice everyone else should make?

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see BASIS be allowed to open w/ the condition that there's no feed to the MS and see how many people actually want BASIS-style education for their K-4th graders. I bet they'd fill, but with a totally different population than their MS.

Saying that people will go to BASIS K for the MS feed does *not* mean there's demand for BASIS K; it means there's demand for BASIS MS. We already have BASIS MS, so the question is why an ES in an area already saturated by serviceable to very good ESes serves DC's interests. The fact that every other BASIS has K-4 does not answer this question at all.

In a forum filled with dumb takes, yours takes the cake, madam. All school decisions are in essence about not just that year or that school, but the feeder pattern. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

It's actually amazing how much you're missing the point. The question is whether there's demand for BASIS K independent of BASIS middle. There is already a BASIS middle, DC doesn't get value add out of adding a BASIS K unless there is *independent* demand for it. Shuffling different kids into BASIS earlier doesn't help DC overall. MSes are not entitled to open ESes just because they want to.

Two things:
1. These are not independent. I know for you (with your good ES) it feels like they are, but that doesn't make it so.
2. If they fill the seats there is demand. At which point you will be back on here saying the people who chose BASIS should not have been allowed to or should have stayed in their IB school. Because what is best for you is clearly the choice everyone else should make?

Exactly. The demand for the BASIS MS seat will drive the demand for the BASIS ES seat.

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see BASIS be allowed to open w/ the condition that there's no feed to the MS and see how many people actually want BASIS-style education for their K-4th graders. I bet they'd fill, but with a totally different population than their MS.

Saying that people will go to BASIS K for the MS feed does *not* mean there's demand for BASIS K; it means there's demand for BASIS MS. We already have BASIS MS, so the question is why an ES in an area already saturated by serviceable to very good ESes serves DC's interests. The fact that every other BASIS has K-4 does not answer this question at all.

In a forum filled with dumb takes, yours takes the cake, madam. All school decisions are in essence about not just that year or that school, but the feeder pattern. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

It's actually amazing how much you're missing the point. The question is whether there's demand for BASIS K independent of BASIS middle. There is already a BASIS middle, DC doesn't get value add out of adding a BASIS K unless there is *independent* demand for it. Shuffling different kids into BASIS earlier doesn't help DC overall. MSes are not entitled to open ESes just because they want to.

Two things:
1. These are not independent. I know for you (with your good ES) it feels like they are, but that doesn't make it so.
2. If they fill the seats there is demand. At which point you will be back on here saying the people who chose BASIS should not have been allowed to or should have stayed in their IB school. Because what is best for you is clearly the choice everyone else should make?

Exactly. The demand for the BASIS MS seat will drive the demand for the BASIS ES seat.

No one is denying that BASIS ES will fill because of demand for BASIS MS. BASIS could also fill PK3-4. Latin could fill PK3-4. DCI could fill PK3-5. None of these prove that there is independent value to the ESes/PKs in question, which is the standard that needs to be met for opening a new school. Locking people into feeder patterns early is not an independent value. And, as explained, when BASIS refuses to back fill, it is actually a detriment.

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see BASIS be allowed to open w/ the condition that there's no feed to the MS and see how many people actually want BASIS-style education for their K-4th graders. I bet they'd fill, but with a totally different population than their MS.

Saying that people will go to BASIS K for the MS feed does *not* mean there's demand for BASIS K; it means there's demand for BASIS MS. We already have BASIS MS, so the question is why an ES in an area already saturated by serviceable to very good ESes serves DC's interests. The fact that every other BASIS has K-4 does not answer this question at all.

In a forum filled with dumb takes, yours takes the cake, madam. All school decisions are in essence about not just that year or that school, but the feeder pattern. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

It's actually amazing how much you're missing the point. The question is whether there's demand for BASIS K independent of BASIS middle. There is already a BASIS middle, DC doesn't get value add out of adding a BASIS K unless there is *independent* demand for it. Shuffling different kids into BASIS earlier doesn't help DC overall. MSes are not entitled to open ESes just because they want to.

Two things:
1. These are not independent. I know for you (with your good ES) it feels like they are, but that doesn't make it so.
2. If they fill the seats there is demand. At which point you will be back on here saying the people who chose BASIS should not have been allowed to or should have stayed in their IB school. Because what is best for you is clearly the choice everyone else should make?

Also, for the record, you're completely wrong about what perspective I'm coming from. I don't know why you assume I'm at a DCUM-blessed "good" DCPS just because I think adding another ES to an area where there's already a glut is not, in fact, good for the city. I have no issue if BASIS wants to open somewhere where there is an actual lack of ES options & actual demand for the ES even though the effect on BASIS MS will be identical. My concerns have nothing to do with preserving feeder rights for a particular group of people.

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see BASIS be allowed to open w/ the condition that there's no feed to the MS and see how many people actually want BASIS-style education for their K-4th graders. I bet they'd fill, but with a totally different population than their MS.

Saying that people will go to BASIS K for the MS feed does *not* mean there's demand for BASIS K; it means there's demand for BASIS MS. We already have BASIS MS, so the question is why an ES in an area already saturated by serviceable to very good ESes serves DC's interests. The fact that every other BASIS has K-4 does not answer this question at all.

In a forum filled with dumb takes, yours takes the cake, madam. All school decisions are in essence about not just that year or that school, but the feeder pattern. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

It's actually amazing how much you're missing the point. The question is whether there's demand for BASIS K independent of BASIS middle. There is already a BASIS middle, DC doesn't get value add out of adding a BASIS K unless there is *independent* demand for it. Shuffling different kids into BASIS earlier doesn't help DC overall. MSes are not entitled to open ESes just because they want to.

Two things:
1. These are not independent. I know for you (with your good ES) it feels like they are, but that doesn't make it so.
2. If they fill the seats there is demand. At which point you will be back on here saying the people who chose BASIS should not have been allowed to or should have stayed in their IB school. Because what is best for you is clearly the choice everyone else should make?

Exactly. The demand for the BASIS MS seat will drive the demand for the BASIS ES seat.

No one is denying that BASIS ES will fill because of demand for BASIS MS. BASIS could also fill PK3-4. Latin could fill PK3-4. DCI could fill PK3-5. None of these prove that there is independent value to the ESes/PKs in question, which is the standard that needs to be met for opening a new school. Locking people into feeder patterns early is not an independent value. And, as explained, when BASIS refuses to back fill, it is actually a detriment.

If the seats fill it is because families decided that BASIS was where THEY (not you) wanted to be. Could be because they want a good MS/HS feeder. Could be because BASIS ES is a better option than their IB ES. Could be because they want a school that doesn't socially promote and attracts kids of a certain type. Could be because of proximity. What confounds me is that you and your sisterhood thin it is up to you to decide whether people should be allowed to make their own decisions on what is best for their families. You don't know whether BASIS will backfill in K-4. And they will add @45 seats in 5th (from the projected 90 in 4th) so there will be new students and new seats.

You conclude it is a detriment. For families that decide it is what they want and the best option for them it is certainly a benefit. Or did I miss the part where someone elected UMC CH families arbiters of what is good or bad for other families?

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see BASIS be allowed to open w/ the condition that there's no feed to the MS and see how many people actually want BASIS-style education for their K-4th graders. I bet they'd fill, but with a totally different population than their MS.

Saying that people will go to BASIS K for the MS feed does *not* mean there's demand for BASIS K; it means there's demand for BASIS MS. We already have BASIS MS, so the question is why an ES in an area already saturated by serviceable to very good ESes serves DC's interests. The fact that every other BASIS has K-4 does not answer this question at all.

In a forum filled with dumb takes, yours takes the cake, madam. All school decisions are in essence about not just that year or that school, but the feeder pattern. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

It's actually amazing how much you're missing the point. The question is whether there's demand for BASIS K independent of BASIS middle. There is already a BASIS middle, DC doesn't get value add out of adding a BASIS K unless there is *independent* demand for it. Shuffling different kids into BASIS earlier doesn't help DC overall. MSes are not entitled to open ESes just because they want to.

Two things:
1. These are not independent. I know for you (with your good ES) it feels like they are, but that doesn't make it so.
2. If they fill the seats there is demand. At which point you will be back on here saying the people who chose BASIS should not have been allowed to or should have stayed in their IB school. Because what is best for you is clearly the choice everyone else should make?

Exactly. The demand for the BASIS MS seat will drive the demand for the BASIS ES seat.

No one is denying that BASIS ES will fill because of demand for BASIS MS. BASIS could also fill PK3-4. Latin could fill PK3-4. DCI could fill PK3-5. None of these prove that there is independent value to the ESes/PKs in question, which is the standard that needs to be met for opening a new school. Locking people into feeder patterns early is not an independent value. And, as explained, when BASIS refuses to back fill, it is actually a detriment.

If the seats fill it is because families decided that BASIS was where THEY (not you) wanted to be. Could be because they want a good MS/HS feeder. Could be because BASIS ES is a better option than their IB ES. Could be because they want a school that doesn't socially promote and attracts kids of a certain type. Could be because of proximity. What confounds me is that you and your sisterhood thin it is up to you to decide whether people should be allowed to make their own decisions on what is best for their families. You don't know whether BASIS will backfill in K-4. And they will add @45 seats in 5th (from the projected 90 in 4th) so there will be new students and new seats.

You conclude it is a detriment. For families that decide it is what they want and the best option for them it is certainly a benefit. Or did I miss the part where someone elected UMC CH families arbiters of what is good or bad for other families?

So do you think it is best for the good people of DC to have yet another elementary school in an area that already has a surplus of elementary seats? Or would it be best to have a new school in an area that doesn't have so many good schools and really needs one?

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see BASIS be allowed to open w/ the condition that there's no feed to the MS and see how many people actually want BASIS-style education for their K-4th graders. I bet they'd fill, but with a totally different population than their MS.

Saying that people will go to BASIS K for the MS feed does *not* mean there's demand for BASIS K; it means there's demand for BASIS MS. We already have BASIS MS, so the question is why an ES in an area already saturated by serviceable to very good ESes serves DC's interests. The fact that every other BASIS has K-4 does not answer this question at all.

In a forum filled with dumb takes, yours takes the cake, madam. All school decisions are in essence about not just that year or that school, but the feeder pattern. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

It's actually amazing how much you're missing the point. The question is whether there's demand for BASIS K independent of BASIS middle. There is already a BASIS middle, DC doesn't get value add out of adding a BASIS K unless there is *independent* demand for it. Shuffling different kids into BASIS earlier doesn't help DC overall. MSes are not entitled to open ESes just because they want to.

Two things:
1. These are not independent. I know for you (with your good ES) it feels like they are, but that doesn't make it so.
2. If they fill the seats there is demand. At which point you will be back on here saying the people who chose BASIS should not have been allowed to or should have stayed in their IB school. Because what is best for you is clearly the choice everyone else should make?

Exactly. The demand for the BASIS MS seat will drive the demand for the BASIS ES seat.

No one is denying that BASIS ES will fill because of demand for BASIS MS. BASIS could also fill PK3-4. Latin could fill PK3-4. DCI could fill PK3-5. None of these prove that there is independent value to the ESes/PKs in question, which is the standard that needs to be met for opening a new school. Locking people into feeder patterns early is not an independent value. And, as explained, when BASIS refuses to back fill, it is actually a detriment.

If the seats fill it is because families decided that BASIS was where THEY (not you) wanted to be. Could be because they want a good MS/HS feeder. Could be because BASIS ES is a better option than their IB ES. Could be because they want a school that doesn't socially promote and attracts kids of a certain type. Could be because of proximity. What confounds me is that you and your sisterhood thin it is up to you to decide whether people should be allowed to make their own decisions on what is best for their families. You don't know whether BASIS will backfill in K-4. And they will add @45 seats in 5th (from the projected 90 in 4th) so there will be new students and new seats.

You conclude it is a detriment. For families that decide it is what they want and the best option for them it is certainly a benefit. Or did I miss the part where someone elected UMC CH families arbiters of what is good or bad for other families?

I think you actually just don't get it. Your logic would mean any school that wants to should be able to open anywhere. Sink or swim. Who cares how it affects other schools or the existing school? Hell, any school with a successful MS should be able to open 3 ESes if it wants to, right? No. DCPB does not and should not approve schools without thinking whether they are good for DC overall and NOT just the families that will enroll. I get that you are excited about BASIS ES wanting to open near you. Did I miss the part where someone elected you an arbiter of what was good or bad for the city? Oh, wait. It goes both ways, huh? Everyone on here is just stating their opinion. Mine is that BASIS ES should not be allowed to open in this location.

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My sense is that the PCSB *used* to allow basically any school that could construct a semi-credible application, and allow it to locate whereever it wanted, without any real demand analysis. And that led to the situtation we're currently in, with plenty of charters performing not quite low enough to be closed, but circling the drain and constantly on performance improvement plans. So they've had to tighten up their authorization practices to avoid the current, embarrassing state of things.

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The big question no one has answered yet is will BASIS backfill in elementary?

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I’m also concerned with attracting and retaining teachers for the ES. 2-4 grades can be tough from a classroom management standpoint and charters typically pay less and have less resources making it tough to retain. We have seen the impact that has had at other charter ES in the target area (TR and MV). Would hate to see a downward spiral for BASIS knowing that teacher retention is already a concern for the HS.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m also concerned with attracting and retaining teachers for the ES. 2-4 grades can be tough from a classroom management standpoint and charters typically pay less and have less resources making it tough to retain. We have seen the impact that has had at other charter ES in the target area (TR and MV). Would hate to see a downward spiral for BASIS knowing that teacher retention is already a concern for the HS.

You're going to see a downward spiral if BASIS opens an elementary school, no matter where it is located. It happens every. single. time.

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see BASIS be allowed to open w/ the condition that there's no feed to the MS and see how many people actually want BASIS-style education for their K-4th graders. I bet they'd fill, but with a totally different population than their MS.

Saying that people will go to BASIS K for the MS feed does *not* mean there's demand for BASIS K; it means there's demand for BASIS MS. We already have BASIS MS, so the question is why an ES in an area already saturated by serviceable to very good ESes serves DC's interests. The fact that every other BASIS has K-4 does not answer this question at all.

In a forum filled with dumb takes, yours takes the cake, madam. All school decisions are in essence about not just that year or that school, but the feeder pattern. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

It's actually amazing how much you're missing the point. The question is whether there's demand for BASIS K independent of BASIS middle. There is already a BASIS middle, DC doesn't get value add out of adding a BASIS K unless there is *independent* demand for it. Shuffling different kids into BASIS earlier doesn't help DC overall. MSes are not entitled to open ESes just because they want to.

Two things:
1. These are not independent. I know for you (with your good ES) it feels like they are, but that doesn't make it so.
2. If they fill the seats there is demand. At which point you will be back on here saying the people who chose BASIS should not have been allowed to or should have stayed in their IB school. Because what is best for you is clearly the choice everyone else should make?

Exactly. The demand for the BASIS MS seat will drive the demand for the BASIS ES seat.

Don't you just love when people with means to move in MS and HS and/or pay for private try and tell those that may not have that option that they don't have the right to make choices for themselves?

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Anonymous wrote:The big question no one has answered yet is will BASIS backfill in elementary?

No one has answered you...on an anonymous forum..about a school that isn't open. How dare they!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see BASIS be allowed to open w/ the condition that there's no feed to the MS and see how many people actually want BASIS-style education for their K-4th graders. I bet they'd fill, but with a totally different population than their MS.

Saying that people will go to BASIS K for the MS feed does *not* mean there's demand for BASIS K; it means there's demand for BASIS MS. We already have BASIS MS, so the question is why an ES in an area already saturated by serviceable to very good ESes serves DC's interests. The fact that every other BASIS has K-4 does not answer this question at all.

In a forum filled with dumb takes, yours takes the cake, madam. All school decisions are in essence about not just that year or that school, but the feeder pattern. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

It's actually amazing how much you're missing the point. The question is whether there's demand for BASIS K independent of BASIS middle. There is already a BASIS middle, DC doesn't get value add out of adding a BASIS K unless there is *independent* demand for it. Shuffling different kids into BASIS earlier doesn't help DC overall. MSes are not entitled to open ESes just because they want to.

Two things:
1. These are not independent. I know for you (with your good ES) it feels like they are, but that doesn't make it so.
2. If they fill the seats there is demand. At which point you will be back on here saying the people who chose BASIS should not have been allowed to or should have stayed in their IB school. Because what is best for you is clearly the choice everyone else should make?

Exactly. The demand for the BASIS MS seat will drive the demand for the BASIS ES seat.

No one is denying that BASIS ES will fill because of demand for BASIS MS. BASIS could also fill PK3-4. Latin could fill PK3-4. DCI could fill PK3-5. None of these prove that there is independent value to the ESes/PKs in question, which is the standard that needs to be met for opening a new school. Locking people into feeder patterns early is not an independent value. And, as explained, when BASIS refuses to back fill, it is actually a detriment.

If the seats fill it is because families decided that BASIS was where THEY (not you) wanted to be. Could be because they want a good MS/HS feeder. Could be because BASIS ES is a better option than their IB ES. Could be because they want a school that doesn't socially promote and attracts kids of a certain type. Could be because of proximity. What confounds me is that you and your sisterhood thin it is up to you to decide whether people should be allowed to make their own decisions on what is best for their families. You don't know whether BASIS will backfill in K-4. And they will add @45 seats in 5th (from the projected 90 in 4th) so there will be new students and new seats.

You conclude it is a detriment. For families that decide it is what they want and the best option for them it is certainly a benefit. Or did I miss the part where someone elected UMC CH families arbiters of what is good or bad for other families?

I think you actually just don't get it. Your logic would mean any school that wants to should be able to open anywhere. Sink or swim. Who cares how it affects other schools or the existing school? Hell, any school with a successful MS should be able to open 3 ESes if it wants to, right? No. DCPB does not and should not approve schools without thinking whether they are good for DC overall and NOT just the families that will enroll. I get that you are excited about BASIS ES wanting to open near you. Did I miss the part where someone elected you an arbiter of what was good or bad for the city? Oh, wait. It goes both ways, huh? Everyone on here is just stating their opinion. Mine is that BASIS ES should not be allowed to open in this location.

You are adorable.

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see BASIS be allowed to open w/ the condition that there's no feed to the MS and see how many people actually want BASIS-style education for their K-4th graders. I bet they'd fill, but with a totally different population than their MS.

Saying that people will go to BASIS K for the MS feed does *not* mean there's demand for BASIS K; it means there's demand for BASIS MS. We already have BASIS MS, so the question is why an ES in an area already saturated by serviceable to very good ESes serves DC's interests. The fact that every other BASIS has K-4 does not answer this question at all.

In a forum filled with dumb takes, yours takes the cake, madam. All school decisions are in essence about not just that year or that school, but the feeder pattern. Did you figure that out all by yourself?

It's actually amazing how much you're missing the point. The question is whether there's demand for BASIS K independent of BASIS middle. There is already a BASIS middle, DC doesn't get value add out of adding a BASIS K unless there is *independent* demand for it. Shuffling different kids into BASIS earlier doesn't help DC overall. MSes are not entitled to open ESes just because they want to.

Two things:
1. These are not independent. I know for you (with your good ES) it feels like they are, but that doesn't make it so.
2. If they fill the seats there is demand. At which point you will be back on here saying the people who chose BASIS should not have been allowed to or should have stayed in their IB school. Because what is best for you is clearly the choice everyone else should make?

Exactly. The demand for the BASIS MS seat will drive the demand for the BASIS ES seat.

No one is denying that BASIS ES will fill because of demand for BASIS MS. BASIS could also fill PK3-4. Latin could fill PK3-4. DCI could fill PK3-5. None of these prove that there is independent value to the ESes/PKs in question, which is the standard that needs to be met for opening a new school. Locking people into feeder patterns early is not an independent value. And, as explained, when BASIS refuses to back fill, it is actually a detriment.

If the seats fill it is because families decided that BASIS was where THEY (not you) wanted to be. Could be because they want a good MS/HS feeder. Could be because BASIS ES is a better option than their IB ES. Could be because they want a school that doesn't socially promote and attracts kids of a certain type. Could be because of proximity. What confounds me is that you and your sisterhood thin it is up to you to decide whether people should be allowed to make their own decisions on what is best for their families. You don't know whether BASIS will backfill in K-4. And they will add @45 seats in 5th (from the projected 90 in 4th) so there will be new students and new seats.

You conclude it is a detriment. For families that decide it is what they want and the best option for them it is certainly a benefit. Or did I miss the part where someone elected UMC CH families arbiters of what is good or bad for other families?

I think you actually just don't get it. Your logic would mean any school that wants to should be able to open anywhere. Sink or swim. Who cares how it affects other schools or the existing school? Hell, any school with a successful MS should be able to open 3 ESes if it wants to, right? No. DCPB does not and should not approve schools without thinking whether they are good for DC overall and NOT just the families that will enroll. I get that you are excited about BASIS ES wanting to open near you. Did I miss the part where someone elected you an arbiter of what was good or bad for the city? Oh, wait. It goes both ways, huh? Everyone on here is just stating their opinion. Mine is that BASIS ES should not be allowed to open in this location.

You are adorable.

Wow, conceding you’re wrong I see. Rarely so clear.