Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

[Anonymous]

If the public knew how much fraud goes on in school then there would be turn over of the board, admin, union, as opposed to constantly churning and burning of teachers with retaliation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

Ok you get some perspective to....go be a sub. I give you a half a day.

[Anonymous]

As a teacher it has become clear to me the SEL is basically just trying to teach kids how behave in public and problem solve. These were skills kids were supposed to learn from parents but it just seems like a significant number of parents have dropped the ball. School is treated as daycare by a lot of the same parents who don’t want to deal with their own kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it has become clear to me the SEL is basically just trying to teach kids how behave in public and problem solve. These were skills kids were supposed to learn from parents but it just seems like a significant number of parents have dropped the ball. School is treated as daycare by a lot of the same parents who don’t want to deal with their own kids.

I always wondered what the new obsession with SEL is about. This explains it though. Parents just aren’t parenting anymore. How sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it has become clear to me the SEL is basically just trying to teach kids how behave in public and problem solve. These were skills kids were supposed to learn from parents but it just seems like a significant number of parents have dropped the ball. School is treated as daycare by a lot of the same parents who don’t want to deal with their own kids.

I always wondered what the new obsession with SEL is about. This explains it though. Parents just aren’t parenting anymore. How sad.

My kid is in an amazing SEL school, and the result is fantastic for teachers, students, parents and administration. Removes so much dysfunction

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it has become clear to me the SEL is basically just trying to teach kids how behave in public and problem solve. These were skills kids were supposed to learn from parents but it just seems like a significant number of parents have dropped the ball. School is treated as daycare by a lot of the same parents who don’t want to deal with their own kids.

I always wondered what the new obsession with SEL is about. This explains it though. Parents just aren’t parenting anymore. How sad.

My kid is in an amazing SEL school, and the result is fantastic for teachers, students, parents and administration. Removes so much dysfunction

As would parents actually parenting... but let's keep dumping more on the teachers, seems to be working out well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it has become clear to me the SEL is basically just trying to teach kids how behave in public and problem solve. These were skills kids were supposed to learn from parents but it just seems like a significant number of parents have dropped the ball. School is treated as daycare by a lot of the same parents who don’t want to deal with their own kids.

I always wondered what the new obsession with SEL is about. This explains it though. Parents just aren’t parenting anymore. How sad.

My kid is in an amazing SEL school, and the result is fantastic for teachers, students, parents and administration. Removes so much dysfunction

Would you please name the school? I'm curious where this is being done well. I teach at the secondary level and think the SEL lessons are worth reviewing occasionally for the kids who already have the prerequisite skills. The kids who don't have the prerequisite skills are mostly really far behind and need a lot more support than what can be offered in a regular school setting where we're supposed to be focusing on academics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it has become clear to me the SEL is basically just trying to teach kids how behave in public and problem solve. These were skills kids were supposed to learn from parents but it just seems like a significant number of parents have dropped the ball. School is treated as daycare by a lot of the same parents who don’t want to deal with their own kids.

I always wondered what the new obsession with SEL is about. This explains it though. Parents just aren’t parenting anymore. How sad.

My kid is in an amazing SEL school, and the result is fantastic for teachers, students, parents and administration. Removes so much dysfunction

As would parents actually parenting... but let's keep dumping more on the teachers, seems to be working out well

It’s easier to teach SEL to 20 kids than to deal with 20 families and all their dysfunction, especially if the teacher is also dysfunctional. Much easier

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it has become clear to me the SEL is basically just trying to teach kids how behave in public and problem solve. These were skills kids were supposed to learn from parents but it just seems like a significant number of parents have dropped the ball. School is treated as daycare by a lot of the same parents who don’t want to deal with their own kids.

I always wondered what the new obsession with SEL is about. This explains it though. Parents just aren’t parenting anymore. How sad.

My kid is in an amazing SEL school, and the result is fantastic for teachers, students, parents and administration. Removes so much dysfunction

Would you please name the school? I'm curious where this is being done well. I teach at the secondary level and think the SEL lessons are worth reviewing occasionally for the kids who already have the prerequisite skills. The kids who don't have the prerequisite skills are mostly really far behind and need a lot more support than what can be offered in a regular school setting where we're supposed to be focusing on academics.

That may be true. This is an elementary school where teachers are trained in TCIT and parents who need it in PCIT

[Anonymous]

It sounds like a better question is what are teachers/schools NOT expected to do for kids these days?

Schools need to teach them everything, apparently including sex and also “social emotional learning” like empathy and personal management, they need to feed the kids and in many cases clothe them. And they need to screen for abuse. What do parents do except provide a bed to sleep on?

Why don’t we just build a bunch of institutions that we put kids in at birth and force parents to prove that they’re decent parents before they’re allowed to take the kids out of there?? It sounds like most kids would be better off that way because some parents apparently do NOTHING for their kids. Even when we the taxpayers give them money for having those kids. I’d rather just give the money towards boarding schools and no more rent assistance or anything for those “parents”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it has become clear to me the SEL is basically just trying to teach kids how behave in public and problem solve. These were skills kids were supposed to learn from parents but it just seems like a significant number of parents have dropped the ball. School is treated as daycare by a lot of the same parents who don’t want to deal with their own kids.

I always wondered what the new obsession with SEL is about. This explains it though. Parents just aren’t parenting anymore. How sad.

My kid is in an amazing SEL school, and the result is fantastic for teachers, students, parents and administration. Removes so much dysfunction

As would parents actually parenting... but let's keep dumping more on the teachers, seems to be working out well

It’s easier to teach SEL to 20 kids than to deal with 20 families and all their dysfunction, especially if the teacher is also dysfunctional. Much easier

How effective is a 'dysfunctional' teacher going to be in teaching SEL to 20+ children?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like a better question is what are teachers/schools NOT expected to do for kids these days?

Schools need to teach them everything, apparently including sex and also “social emotional learning” like empathy and personal management, they need to feed the kids and in many cases clothe them. And they need to screen for abuse. What do parents do except provide a bed to sleep on?

Why don’t we just build a bunch of institutions that we put kids in at birth and force parents to prove that they’re decent parents before they’re allowed to take the kids out of there?? It sounds like most kids would be better off that way because some parents apparently do NOTHING for their kids. Even when we the taxpayers give them money for having those kids. I’d rather just give the money towards boarding schools and no more rent assistance or anything for those “parents”.

Former teacher and +1000... and actually a lot of these parents you describe do not fit the (physical/socioeconomic) profile one might assume. Obviously exaggerating but it's gotten completely ridiculous with the lack of parental responsibility, including from middle and UMC parents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher it has become clear to me the SEL is basically just trying to teach kids how behave in public and problem solve. These were skills kids were supposed to learn from parents but it just seems like a significant number of parents have dropped the ball. School is treated as daycare by a lot of the same parents who don’t want to deal with their own kids.

I always wondered what the new obsession with SEL is about. This explains it though. Parents just aren’t parenting anymore. How sad.

My kid is in an amazing SEL school, and the result is fantastic for teachers, students, parents and administration. Removes so much dysfunction

As would parents actually parenting... but let's keep dumping more on the teachers, seems to be working out well

It’s easier to teach SEL to 20 kids than to deal with 20 families and all their dysfunction, especially if the teacher is also dysfunctional. Much easier

How effective is a 'dysfunctional' teacher going to be in teaching SEL to 20+ children?

TCIT training is designed to smooth out dysfunctional practices

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like a better question is what are teachers/schools NOT expected to do for kids these days?

Schools need to teach them everything, apparently including sex and also “social emotional learning” like empathy and personal management, they need to feed the kids and in many cases clothe them. And they need to screen for abuse. What do parents do except provide a bed to sleep on?

Why don’t we just build a bunch of institutions that we put kids in at birth and force parents to prove that they’re decent parents before they’re allowed to take the kids out of there?? It sounds like most kids would be better off that way because some parents apparently do NOTHING for their kids. Even when we the taxpayers give them money for having those kids. I’d rather just give the money towards boarding schools and no more rent assistance or anything for those “parents”.

Former teacher and +1000... and actually a lot of these parents you describe do not fit the (physical/socioeconomic) profile one might assume. Obviously exaggerating but it's gotten completely ridiculous with the lack of parental responsibility, including from middle and UMC parents

+1. There’s a lot of underparenting going on across all SES groups.