Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:I've noticed various posters in this thread talking about public opinion or what "most people" think of this case. The consensus seems to be that Lively got a surge of public support right after the NYT article but by now most people are supporting Baldoni and think Lively's allegations are either overblown or flat out lies, and that she and Reynolds went after Baldoni's movie. This was also my read on the situation.

But then I saw this on r/Fauxmoi this weekend: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jgma56/justin_baldoni_sues_his_former_publicist/

Fauxmoi, for those who don't know, is one of the biggest celeb gossip subs on Reddit. It has 4.8m members. In contrast, the main Lively/Baldoni-specific sub I follow on Reddit, r/ItEndsWithLawsuits, is 13k members. I'm used to the comments in that thread being overwhelmingly pro-Baldoni with only a handful of neutral or pro-Blake people, and the pro-Blake comments tend to be voted down.

Well in the Fauxmoi post, that's not the case at all. The highest rated comments are, at a minimum, anti-Baldoni. Some are anti-everyone (a lot of people who are just like "I'm tired of all of these people"). But some of the highest rated comments are pro-Blake.

Like the first 4-5 highest rated comments are stuff like "Dude, give it a rest" (about Baldoni suing someone else) or "Can I sue Baldoni for being f***ing exhausting?" But then there's also this: "This guy is a hot mess express. And as much as I think Blake Lively is probably terrible, I believe her." With a ton of upvotes.

There are some people defending Baldoni, but their defense is tepid and generally in the comments to anti-Baldoni posts -- if there are pro-Baldoni posts, they are not being upvoted.

Given the size of FauxMoi and the fact that it's a general pop culture/celeb sub instead of one focused on this situation, I tend to think it's a better reflection of popular opinion on the matter. It seems to me that while people who are heavily invested in the situation tend to skew toward Baldoni (by a lot), people who have perhaps a healthier relationship to the matter (passing interest, not obsession) tend to be neutral, hate everyone, or dislike Baldoni specifically and believe Blake (even if they don't necessarily like her as a celeb).

lol, sure, Jan, not paid for this enormous waste of time poster.

Lol I’ll bite. This is a tiny community of people you’re talking about. 4.8 million members does not mean that there’s that much recent engagement. There’s really only a fraction of that engaging, and it sounds like they are even split with some Baldoni supporters.

What is way more telling is her brands have gone dark. IEWU was the best movie performance in terms of box office she has ever had, by a long run, and she has been unable to capitalize on it.

She wanted that movie to show the world she was ready and able to produce and direct like Scarlett and Anna are doing and it’s been 7 months and crickets.

You'd think someone had run a smear campaign against her or something!

If the smear campaign was that effective even after being exposed…I think she is done.

Do you really think the outcome of a trial a year from now is going to suddenly turn public opinion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've noticed various posters in this thread talking about public opinion or what "most people" think of this case. The consensus seems to be that Lively got a surge of public support right after the NYT article but by now most people are supporting Baldoni and think Lively's allegations are either overblown or flat out lies, and that she and Reynolds went after Baldoni's movie. This was also my read on the situation.

But then I saw this on r/Fauxmoi this weekend: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jgma56/justin_baldoni_sues_his_former_publicist/

Fauxmoi, for those who don't know, is one of the biggest celeb gossip subs on Reddit. It has 4.8m members. In contrast, the main Lively/Baldoni-specific sub I follow on Reddit, r/ItEndsWithLawsuits, is 13k members. I'm used to the comments in that thread being overwhelmingly pro-Baldoni with only a handful of neutral or pro-Blake people, and the pro-Blake comments tend to be voted down.

Well in the Fauxmoi post, that's not the case at all. The highest rated comments are, at a minimum, anti-Baldoni. Some are anti-everyone (a lot of people who are just like "I'm tired of all of these people"). But some of the highest rated comments are pro-Blake.

Like the first 4-5 highest rated comments are stuff like "Dude, give it a rest" (about Baldoni suing someone else) or "Can I sue Baldoni for being f***ing exhausting?" But then there's also this: "This guy is a hot mess express. And as much as I think Blake Lively is probably terrible, I believe her." With a ton of upvotes.

There are some people defending Baldoni, but their defense is tepid and generally in the comments to anti-Baldoni posts -- if there are pro-Baldoni posts, they are not being upvoted.

Given the size of FauxMoi and the fact that it's a general pop culture/celeb sub instead of one focused on this situation, I tend to think it's a better reflection of popular opinion on the matter. It seems to me that while people who are heavily invested in the situation tend to skew toward Baldoni (by a lot), people who have perhaps a healthier relationship to the matter (passing interest, not obsession) tend to be neutral, hate everyone, or dislike Baldoni specifically and believe Blake (even if they don't necessarily like her as a celeb).

lol, sure, Jan, not paid for this enormous waste of time poster.

Lol I’ll bite. This is a tiny community of people you’re talking about. 4.8 million members does not mean that there’s that much recent engagement. There’s really only a fraction of that engaging, and it sounds like they are even split with some Baldoni supporters.

What is way more telling is her brands have gone dark. IEWU was the best movie performance in terms of box office she has ever had, by a long run, and she has been unable to capitalize on it.

She wanted that movie to show the world she was ready and able to produce and direct like Scarlett and Anna are doing and it’s been 7 months and crickets.

It's true of course there's only a fraction participating, but drawing from a much larger sample than subs focused on the conflict or a thread like this. FauxMois's huge following means that you get a lot of casual engagement from.

And no, what struck me is that the response was not "evenly split." It was anti-Baldoni. I'm used to threads like this where there are always plenty of people ready to jump in and defend him. What was notable to me was how little if that I saw, whereas poster were jumping in to defend Blake, even as the same people might also say they find her annoying.

She better hope those people are willing to buy her brands and support her more broadly on social, otherwise it really doesn’t matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I've noticed various posters in this thread talking about public opinion or what "most people" think of this case. The consensus seems to be that Lively got a surge of public support right after the NYT article but by now most people are supporting Baldoni and think Lively's allegations are either overblown or flat out lies, and that she and Reynolds went after Baldoni's movie. This was also my read on the situation.

But then I saw this on r/Fauxmoi this weekend: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jgma56/justin_baldoni_sues_his_former_publicist/

Fauxmoi, for those who don't know, is one of the biggest celeb gossip subs on Reddit. It has 4.8m members. In contrast, the main Lively/Baldoni-specific sub I follow on Reddit, r/ItEndsWithLawsuits, is 13k members. I'm used to the comments in that thread being overwhelmingly pro-Baldoni with only a handful of neutral or pro-Blake people, and the pro-Blake comments tend to be voted down.

Well in the Fauxmoi post, that's not the case at all. The highest rated comments are, at a minimum, anti-Baldoni. Some are anti-everyone (a lot of people who are just like "I'm tired of all of these people"). But some of the highest rated comments are pro-Blake.

Like the first 4-5 highest rated comments are stuff like "Dude, give it a rest" (about Baldoni suing someone else) or "Can I sue Baldoni for being f***ing exhausting?" But then there's also this: "This guy is a hot mess express. And as much as I think Blake Lively is probably terrible, I believe her." With a ton of upvotes.

There are some people defending Baldoni, but their defense is tepid and generally in the comments to anti-Baldoni posts -- if there are pro-Baldoni posts, they are not being upvoted.

Given the size of FauxMoi and the fact that it's a general pop culture/celeb sub instead of one focused on this situation, I tend to think it's a better reflection of popular opinion on the matter. It seems to me that while people who are heavily invested in the situation tend to skew toward Baldoni (by a lot), people who have perhaps a healthier relationship to the matter (passing interest, not obsession) tend to be neutral, hate everyone, or dislike Baldoni specifically and believe Blake (even if they don't necessarily like her as a celeb).

lol, sure, Jan, not paid for this enormous waste of time poster.

Lol I’ll bite. This is a tiny community of people you’re talking about. 4.8 million members does not mean that there’s that much recent engagement. There’s really only a fraction of that engaging, and it sounds like they are even split with some Baldoni supporters.

What is way more telling is her brands have gone dark. IEWU was the best movie performance in terms of box office she has ever had, by a long run, and she has been unable to capitalize on it.

She wanted that movie to show the world she was ready and able to produce and direct like Scarlett and Anna are doing and it’s been 7 months and crickets.

DP. Nobody really gets to capitalize on it, including Baldoni. His live action pac man movie (lol wut) is stalled, too. And I think neither of them necessarily wants to be promoting themselves or looking successful rn because it ultimately hurts their lost profits claims, I would think.

I don’t think anyone is arguing this has helped his career. But Blake and Ryan had so much more to lose.

It’s probably pretty small comfort to them that pac man is stalled.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've noticed various posters in this thread talking about public opinion or what "most people" think of this case. The consensus seems to be that Lively got a surge of public support right after the NYT article but by now most people are supporting Baldoni and think Lively's allegations are either overblown or flat out lies, and that she and Reynolds went after Baldoni's movie. This was also my read on the situation.

But then I saw this on r/Fauxmoi this weekend: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jgma56/justin_baldoni_sues_his_former_publicist/

Fauxmoi, for those who don't know, is one of the biggest celeb gossip subs on Reddit. It has 4.8m members. In contrast, the main Lively/Baldoni-specific sub I follow on Reddit, r/ItEndsWithLawsuits, is 13k members. I'm used to the comments in that thread being overwhelmingly pro-Baldoni with only a handful of neutral or pro-Blake people, and the pro-Blake comments tend to be voted down.

Well in the Fauxmoi post, that's not the case at all. The highest rated comments are, at a minimum, anti-Baldoni. Some are anti-everyone (a lot of people who are just like "I'm tired of all of these people"). But some of the highest rated comments are pro-Blake.

Like the first 4-5 highest rated comments are stuff like "Dude, give it a rest" (about Baldoni suing someone else) or "Can I sue Baldoni for being f***ing exhausting?" But then there's also this: "This guy is a hot mess express. And as much as I think Blake Lively is probably terrible, I believe her." With a ton of upvotes.

There are some people defending Baldoni, but their defense is tepid and generally in the comments to anti-Baldoni posts -- if there are pro-Baldoni posts, they are not being upvoted.

Given the size of FauxMoi and the fact that it's a general pop culture/celeb sub instead of one focused on this situation, I tend to think it's a better reflection of popular opinion on the matter. It seems to me that while people who are heavily invested in the situation tend to skew toward Baldoni (by a lot), people who have perhaps a healthier relationship to the matter (passing interest, not obsession) tend to be neutral, hate everyone, or dislike Baldoni specifically and believe Blake (even if they don't necessarily like her as a celeb).

lol, sure, Jan, not paid for this enormous waste of time poster.

Lol I’ll bite. This is a tiny community of people you’re talking about. 4.8 million members does not mean that there’s that much recent engagement. There’s really only a fraction of that engaging, and it sounds like they are even split with some Baldoni supporters.

What is way more telling is her brands have gone dark. IEWU was the best movie performance in terms of box office she has ever had, by a long run, and she has been unable to capitalize on it.

She wanted that movie to show the world she was ready and able to produce and direct like Scarlett and Anna are doing and it’s been 7 months and crickets.

You'd think someone had run a smear campaign against her or something!

If the smear campaign was that effective even after being exposed…I think she is done.

Do you really think the outcome of a trial a year from now is going to suddenly turn public opinion?

If she wins at trial? Yes. The people who are dug in will continue to support Baldoni, but I think the general public would accept that the results went in her favor. I think it will be very difficult for her to win, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've noticed various posters in this thread talking about public opinion or what "most people" think of this case. The consensus seems to be that Lively got a surge of public support right after the NYT article but by now most people are supporting Baldoni and think Lively's allegations are either overblown or flat out lies, and that she and Reynolds went after Baldoni's movie. This was also my read on the situation.

But then I saw this on r/Fauxmoi this weekend: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jgma56/justin_baldoni_sues_his_former_publicist/

Fauxmoi, for those who don't know, is one of the biggest celeb gossip subs on Reddit. It has 4.8m members. In contrast, the main Lively/Baldoni-specific sub I follow on Reddit, r/ItEndsWithLawsuits, is 13k members. I'm used to the comments in that thread being overwhelmingly pro-Baldoni with only a handful of neutral or pro-Blake people, and the pro-Blake comments tend to be voted down.

Well in the Fauxmoi post, that's not the case at all. The highest rated comments are, at a minimum, anti-Baldoni. Some are anti-everyone (a lot of people who are just like "I'm tired of all of these people"). But some of the highest rated comments are pro-Blake.

Like the first 4-5 highest rated comments are stuff like "Dude, give it a rest" (about Baldoni suing someone else) or "Can I sue Baldoni for being f***ing exhausting?" But then there's also this: "This guy is a hot mess express. And as much as I think Blake Lively is probably terrible, I believe her." With a ton of upvotes.

There are some people defending Baldoni, but their defense is tepid and generally in the comments to anti-Baldoni posts -- if there are pro-Baldoni posts, they are not being upvoted.

Given the size of FauxMoi and the fact that it's a general pop culture/celeb sub instead of one focused on this situation, I tend to think it's a better reflection of popular opinion on the matter. It seems to me that while people who are heavily invested in the situation tend to skew toward Baldoni (by a lot), people who have perhaps a healthier relationship to the matter (passing interest, not obsession) tend to be neutral, hate everyone, or dislike Baldoni specifically and believe Blake (even if they don't necessarily like her as a celeb).

lol, sure, Jan, not paid for this enormous waste of time poster.

Lol I’ll bite. This is a tiny community of people you’re talking about. 4.8 million members does not mean that there’s that much recent engagement. There’s really only a fraction of that engaging, and it sounds like they are even split with some Baldoni supporters.

What is way more telling is her brands have gone dark. IEWU was the best movie performance in terms of box office she has ever had, by a long run, and she has been unable to capitalize on it.

She wanted that movie to show the world she was ready and able to produce and direct like Scarlett and Anna are doing and it’s been 7 months and crickets.

You'd think someone had run a smear campaign against her or something!

If the smear campaign was that effective even after being exposed…I think she is done.

Do you really think the outcome of a trial a year from now is going to suddenly turn public opinion?

If she wins at trial? Yes. The people who are dug in will continue to support Baldoni, but I think the general public would accept that the results went in her favor. I think it will be very difficult for her to win, though.

I think this is true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've noticed various posters in this thread talking about public opinion or what "most people" think of this case. The consensus seems to be that Lively got a surge of public support right after the NYT article but by now most people are supporting Baldoni and think Lively's allegations are either overblown or flat out lies, and that she and Reynolds went after Baldoni's movie. This was also my read on the situation.

But then I saw this on r/Fauxmoi this weekend: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jgma56/justin_baldoni_sues_his_former_publicist/

Fauxmoi, for those who don't know, is one of the biggest celeb gossip subs on Reddit. It has 4.8m members. In contrast, the main Lively/Baldoni-specific sub I follow on Reddit, r/ItEndsWithLawsuits, is 13k members. I'm used to the comments in that thread being overwhelmingly pro-Baldoni with only a handful of neutral or pro-Blake people, and the pro-Blake comments tend to be voted down.

Well in the Fauxmoi post, that's not the case at all. The highest rated comments are, at a minimum, anti-Baldoni. Some are anti-everyone (a lot of people who are just like "I'm tired of all of these people"). But some of the highest rated comments are pro-Blake.

Like the first 4-5 highest rated comments are stuff like "Dude, give it a rest" (about Baldoni suing someone else) or "Can I sue Baldoni for being f***ing exhausting?" But then there's also this: "This guy is a hot mess express. And as much as I think Blake Lively is probably terrible, I believe her." With a ton of upvotes.

There are some people defending Baldoni, but their defense is tepid and generally in the comments to anti-Baldoni posts -- if there are pro-Baldoni posts, they are not being upvoted.

Given the size of FauxMoi and the fact that it's a general pop culture/celeb sub instead of one focused on this situation, I tend to think it's a better reflection of popular opinion on the matter. It seems to me that while people who are heavily invested in the situation tend to skew toward Baldoni (by a lot), people who have perhaps a healthier relationship to the matter (passing interest, not obsession) tend to be neutral, hate everyone, or dislike Baldoni specifically and believe Blake (even if they don't necessarily like her as a celeb).

lol, sure, Jan, not paid for this enormous waste of time poster.

Lol I’ll bite. This is a tiny community of people you’re talking about. 4.8 million members does not mean that there’s that much recent engagement. There’s really only a fraction of that engaging, and it sounds like they are even split with some Baldoni supporters.

What is way more telling is her brands have gone dark. IEWU was the best movie performance in terms of box office she has ever had, by a long run, and she has been unable to capitalize on it.

She wanted that movie to show the world she was ready and able to produce and direct like Scarlett and Anna are doing and it’s been 7 months and crickets.

I had to look up what this poster meant by “Anna” and I think they meant Anna Kendrick who recently directed Man of the Hour (about the woman who won a date on the Dating Game with a guy who turned out to be a serial killer oops). So FYI for everyone else who isn’t as plugged in as PP.

I enjoyed that film! Didn’t make much money I think because it went straight to Netflix due to the strike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've noticed various posters in this thread talking about public opinion or what "most people" think of this case. The consensus seems to be that Lively got a surge of public support right after the NYT article but by now most people are supporting Baldoni and think Lively's allegations are either overblown or flat out lies, and that she and Reynolds went after Baldoni's movie. This was also my read on the situation.

But then I saw this on r/Fauxmoi this weekend: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jgma56/justin_baldoni_sues_his_former_publicist/

Fauxmoi, for those who don't know, is one of the biggest celeb gossip subs on Reddit. It has 4.8m members. In contrast, the main Lively/Baldoni-specific sub I follow on Reddit, r/ItEndsWithLawsuits, is 13k members. I'm used to the comments in that thread being overwhelmingly pro-Baldoni with only a handful of neutral or pro-Blake people, and the pro-Blake comments tend to be voted down.

Well in the Fauxmoi post, that's not the case at all. The highest rated comments are, at a minimum, anti-Baldoni. Some are anti-everyone (a lot of people who are just like "I'm tired of all of these people"). But some of the highest rated comments are pro-Blake.

Like the first 4-5 highest rated comments are stuff like "Dude, give it a rest" (about Baldoni suing someone else) or "Can I sue Baldoni for being f***ing exhausting?" But then there's also this: "This guy is a hot mess express. And as much as I think Blake Lively is probably terrible, I believe her." With a ton of upvotes.

There are some people defending Baldoni, but their defense is tepid and generally in the comments to anti-Baldoni posts -- if there are pro-Baldoni posts, they are not being upvoted.

Given the size of FauxMoi and the fact that it's a general pop culture/celeb sub instead of one focused on this situation, I tend to think it's a better reflection of popular opinion on the matter. It seems to me that while people who are heavily invested in the situation tend to skew toward Baldoni (by a lot), people who have perhaps a healthier relationship to the matter (passing interest, not obsession) tend to be neutral, hate everyone, or dislike Baldoni specifically and believe Blake (even if they don't necessarily like her as a celeb).

lol, sure, Jan, not paid for this enormous waste of time poster.

Lol I’ll bite. This is a tiny community of people you’re talking about. 4.8 million members does not mean that there’s that much recent engagement. There’s really only a fraction of that engaging, and it sounds like they are even split with some Baldoni supporters.

What is way more telling is her brands have gone dark. IEWU was the best movie performance in terms of box office she has ever had, by a long run, and she has been unable to capitalize on it.

She wanted that movie to show the world she was ready and able to produce and direct like Scarlett and Anna are doing and it’s been 7 months and crickets.

You'd think someone had run a smear campaign against her or something!

If the smear campaign was that effective even after being exposed…I think she is done.

Do you really think the outcome of a trial a year from now is going to suddenly turn public opinion?

Here's the thing. I think there was a smear campaign against Blake. But I think smear campaigns are just a part of the celebrity news environment and that it was likely generated by reporters and influences and not Justin. Objectively, Justin had nothing to gain from smearing his own employee.

I do think this is good for Justin's career. I didnt know who he was before this and now I like him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've noticed various posters in this thread talking about public opinion or what "most people" think of this case. The consensus seems to be that Lively got a surge of public support right after the NYT article but by now most people are supporting Baldoni and think Lively's allegations are either overblown or flat out lies, and that she and Reynolds went after Baldoni's movie. This was also my read on the situation.

But then I saw this on r/Fauxmoi this weekend: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jgma56/justin_baldoni_sues_his_former_publicist/

Fauxmoi, for those who don't know, is one of the biggest celeb gossip subs on Reddit. It has 4.8m members. In contrast, the main Lively/Baldoni-specific sub I follow on Reddit, r/ItEndsWithLawsuits, is 13k members. I'm used to the comments in that thread being overwhelmingly pro-Baldoni with only a handful of neutral or pro-Blake people, and the pro-Blake comments tend to be voted down.

Well in the Fauxmoi post, that's not the case at all. The highest rated comments are, at a minimum, anti-Baldoni. Some are anti-everyone (a lot of people who are just like "I'm tired of all of these people"). But some of the highest rated comments are pro-Blake.

Like the first 4-5 highest rated comments are stuff like "Dude, give it a rest" (about Baldoni suing someone else) or "Can I sue Baldoni for being f***ing exhausting?" But then there's also this: "This guy is a hot mess express. And as much as I think Blake Lively is probably terrible, I believe her." With a ton of upvotes.

There are some people defending Baldoni, but their defense is tepid and generally in the comments to anti-Baldoni posts -- if there are pro-Baldoni posts, they are not being upvoted.

Given the size of FauxMoi and the fact that it's a general pop culture/celeb sub instead of one focused on this situation, I tend to think it's a better reflection of popular opinion on the matter. It seems to me that while people who are heavily invested in the situation tend to skew toward Baldoni (by a lot), people who have perhaps a healthier relationship to the matter (passing interest, not obsession) tend to be neutral, hate everyone, or dislike Baldoni specifically and believe Blake (even if they don't necessarily like her as a celeb).

lol, sure, Jan, not paid for this enormous waste of time poster.

Lol I’ll bite. This is a tiny community of people you’re talking about. 4.8 million members does not mean that there’s that much recent engagement. There’s really only a fraction of that engaging, and it sounds like they are even split with some Baldoni supporters.

What is way more telling is her brands have gone dark. IEWU was the best movie performance in terms of box office she has ever had, by a long run, and she has been unable to capitalize on it.

She wanted that movie to show the world she was ready and able to produce and direct like Scarlett and Anna are doing and it’s been 7 months and crickets.

You'd think someone had run a smear campaign against her or something!

If the smear campaign was that effective even after being exposed…I think she is done.

Do you really think the outcome of a trial a year from now is going to suddenly turn public opinion?

Here's the thing. I think there was a smear campaign against Blake. But I think smear campaigns are just a part of the celebrity news environment and that it was likely generated by reporters and influences and not Justin. Objectively, Justin had nothing to gain from smearing his own employee.

I do think this is good for Justin's career. I didnt know who he was before this and now I like him.

But at a minimum he thought some sort of campaign would help him, because that’s why he hired a crisis PR team who — at a minimum, he THOUGHT — were posting things to help him and/or hurt Lively in the months after the film released — at least through November. What you say that Baldoni had nothing to gain makes no sense in this context. He needed the speculation about his on set behavior to stop so that he could benefit from the reception of the film. He needed that more than he needed the film to make $350M, as we see from his stalled career now.

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Baldoni definitely thought it was important to discredit Lively in the press in case she came forward with allegations, or even just to keep people from viewing him negatively when the cast unfollowed him. Regardless of what you think about the case, it's clear from his communications with Abel and Nathan that he felt he had a lot to gain from Lively getting negative PR, especially of the mean girl/bully variety.

[Anonymous]

I’m also not sure how this helps his career since his current brand is built on being a male feminist and the lawsuit suggests there’s a lot of hypocrisy in that. If he wins every part of the lawsuit, maybe, and Lively completely disappears. Or maybe if he turns alt right as other failed male feminists have done — theres a market for that. But I’m not sure how he’d succeed starting up a male feminist podcast again. Granted, I’m not a fan, but I don’t see that succeeding.

If he started a podcast about how awful he thought Lively was I’m sure he’d get tons of clicks, but that doesn’t fit with his brand and he’d probably get sued.

[Anonymous]

I hope I’m wrong, but I can see Baldoni resurrecting as some “don’t let those wimmin take advantage of you” alt right figure. I used to be a male feminist and now I’m here to say that men need to not be afraid to take what they deserve etc. First appearance on Candace Owens as a guest etc. Blech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope I’m wrong, but I can see Baldoni resurrecting as some “don’t let those wimmin take advantage of you” alt right figure. I used to be a male feminist and now I’m here to say that men need to not be afraid to take what they deserve etc. First appearance on Candace Owens as a guest etc. Blech.

I don’t see him doing that. Honestly, I think he just wants to continue directing and producing. He doesn’t even really seem to want to act that badly, it was reported that Colleen Hoover really pushed him into taking the lead in this movie, but he really wanted to focus on directing and producing.

I really don’t see this inhibiting that too much. A lot of men in Hollywood have been accused of far worse and continue to direct and produce.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m also not sure how this helps his career since his current brand is built on being a male feminist and the lawsuit suggests there’s a lot of hypocrisy in that. If he wins every part of the lawsuit, maybe, and Lively completely disappears. Or maybe if he turns alt right as other failed male feminists have done — theres a market for that. But I’m not sure how he’d succeed starting up a male feminist podcast again. Granted, I’m not a fan, but I don’t see that succeeding.

If he started a podcast about how awful he thought Lively was I’m sure he’d get tons of clicks, but that doesn’t fit with his brand and he’d probably get sued.

Who knows, but he’s definitely gained a few hundred thousand followers on social media while Blake has lost at least a half a million if not more (it’s reported she is buying some so her numbers don’t plummet too badly).

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Anonymous wrote:I've noticed various posters in this thread talking about public opinion or what "most people" think of this case. The consensus seems to be that Lively got a surge of public support right after the NYT article but by now most people are supporting Baldoni and think Lively's allegations are either overblown or flat out lies, and that she and Reynolds went after Baldoni's movie. This was also my read on the situation.

But then I saw this on r/Fauxmoi this weekend: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jgma56/justin_baldoni_sues_his_former_publicist/

Fauxmoi, for those who don't know, is one of the biggest celeb gossip subs on Reddit. It has 4.8m members. In contrast, the main Lively/Baldoni-specific sub I follow on Reddit, r/ItEndsWithLawsuits, is 13k members. I'm used to the comments in that thread being overwhelmingly pro-Baldoni with only a handful of neutral or pro-Blake people, and the pro-Blake comments tend to be voted down.

Well in the Fauxmoi post, that's not the case at all. The highest rated comments are, at a minimum, anti-Baldoni. Some are anti-everyone (a lot of people who are just like "I'm tired of all of these people"). But some of the highest rated comments are pro-Blake.

Like the first 4-5 highest rated comments are stuff like "Dude, give it a rest" (about Baldoni suing someone else) or "Can I sue Baldoni for being f***ing exhausting?" But then there's also this: "This guy is a hot mess express. And as much as I think Blake Lively is probably terrible, I believe her." With a ton of upvotes.

There are some people defending Baldoni, but their defense is tepid and generally in the comments to anti-Baldoni posts -- if there are pro-Baldoni posts, they are not being upvoted.

Given the size of FauxMoi and the fact that it's a general pop culture/celeb sub instead of one focused on this situation, I tend to think it's a better reflection of popular opinion on the matter. It seems to me that while people who are heavily invested in the situation tend to skew toward Baldoni (by a lot), people who have perhaps a healthier relationship to the matter (passing interest, not obsession) tend to be neutral, hate everyone, or dislike Baldoni specifically and believe Blake (even if they don't necessarily like her as a celeb).

lol, sure, Jan, not paid for this enormous waste of time poster.

Lol I’ll bite. This is a tiny community of people you’re talking about. 4.8 million members does not mean that there’s that much recent engagement. There’s really only a fraction of that engaging, and it sounds like they are even split with some Baldoni supporters.

What is way more telling is her brands have gone dark. IEWU was the best movie performance in terms of box office she has ever had, by a long run, and she has been unable to capitalize on it.

She wanted that movie to show the world she was ready and able to produce and direct like Scarlett and Anna are doing and it’s been 7 months and crickets.

You'd think someone had run a smear campaign against her or something!

If the smear campaign was that effective even after being exposed…I think she is done.

Do you really think the outcome of a trial a year from now is going to suddenly turn public opinion?

If she wins at trial? Yes. The people who are dug in will continue to support Baldoni, but I think the general public would accept that the results went in her favor. I think it will be very difficult for her to win, though.

I’m not sure I agree. if this actually goes to trial, it is going to be so, so messy and more embarrassing stuff is going to come out. Remember Johnny Depp “won”, but I mean is he really recovered in the public eye? He’s sort of a joke now….the whole, taking a dump on the bed, videos of him being so drunk, I mean, even if you believe the guy, I wouldn’t say people respect him like they did years ago.

It’s really hard to come out of trials like these looking good.

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Anonymous wrote:I've noticed various posters in this thread talking about public opinion or what "most people" think of this case. The consensus seems to be that Lively got a surge of public support right after the NYT article but by now most people are supporting Baldoni and think Lively's allegations are either overblown or flat out lies, and that she and Reynolds went after Baldoni's movie. This was also my read on the situation.

But then I saw this on r/Fauxmoi this weekend: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jgma56/justin_baldoni_sues_his_former_publicist/

Fauxmoi, for those who don't know, is one of the biggest celeb gossip subs on Reddit. It has 4.8m members. In contrast, the main Lively/Baldoni-specific sub I follow on Reddit, r/ItEndsWithLawsuits, is 13k members. I'm used to the comments in that thread being overwhelmingly pro-Baldoni with only a handful of neutral or pro-Blake people, and the pro-Blake comments tend to be voted down.

Well in the Fauxmoi post, that's not the case at all. The highest rated comments are, at a minimum, anti-Baldoni. Some are anti-everyone (a lot of people who are just like "I'm tired of all of these people"). But some of the highest rated comments are pro-Blake.

Like the first 4-5 highest rated comments are stuff like "Dude, give it a rest" (about Baldoni suing someone else) or "Can I sue Baldoni for being f***ing exhausting?" But then there's also this: "This guy is a hot mess express. And as much as I think Blake Lively is probably terrible, I believe her." With a ton of upvotes.

There are some people defending Baldoni, but their defense is tepid and generally in the comments to anti-Baldoni posts -- if there are pro-Baldoni posts, they are not being upvoted.

Given the size of FauxMoi and the fact that it's a general pop culture/celeb sub instead of one focused on this situation, I tend to think it's a better reflection of popular opinion on the matter. It seems to me that while people who are heavily invested in the situation tend to skew toward Baldoni (by a lot), people who have perhaps a healthier relationship to the matter (passing interest, not obsession) tend to be neutral, hate everyone, or dislike Baldoni specifically and believe Blake (even if they don't necessarily like her as a celeb).

lol, sure, Jan, not paid for this enormous waste of time poster.

Lol I’ll bite. This is a tiny community of people you’re talking about. 4.8 million members does not mean that there’s that much recent engagement. There’s really only a fraction of that engaging, and it sounds like they are even split with some Baldoni supporters.

What is way more telling is her brands have gone dark. IEWU was the best movie performance in terms of box office she has ever had, by a long run, and she has been unable to capitalize on it.

She wanted that movie to show the world she was ready and able to produce and direct like Scarlett and Anna are doing and it’s been 7 months and crickets.

You'd think someone had run a smear campaign against her or something!

If the smear campaign was that effective even after being exposed…I think she is done.

Do you really think the outcome of a trial a year from now is going to suddenly turn public opinion?

If she wins at trial? Yes. The people who are dug in will continue to support Baldoni, but I think the general public would accept that the results went in her favor. I think it will be very difficult for her to win, though.

I’m not sure I agree. if this actually goes to trial, it is going to be so, so messy and more embarrassing stuff is going to come out. Remember Johnny Depp “won”, but I mean is he really recovered in the public eye? He’s sort of a joke now….the whole, taking a dump on the bed, videos of him being so drunk, I mean, even if you believe the guy, I wouldn’t say people respect him like they did years ago.

It’s really hard to come out of trials like these looking good.

I don't think this will be as bad as the Depp case, for either party. In that case, both people had substance abuse problems, and the allegations involved physical violence. Baldoni/Lively is comparatively mild in terms of alleged behavior, on both sides.