Why is the Foxhall Community Citizens Association scared of public school children?

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

The Working Group didn't make any recommendations. I was on the Working Group. There was no voting, or polling, or even really vetting of ideas. There was an exchange of information. Any decisions that were made belong to DCPS, the DME, and the Mayor.

I don’t agree that the CWG didn’t make recommendations. I think it’s reasonable to say we did.

I agree that there was no voting, etc.

I further agree that all decisions were made by DCPS/DME/EOM.

The Working Group didn't make formal recommendations. Members of the Working Group made many recommendations, some were accepted by DCPS, many were not.

As a member of the Working Group I want to push on this because DCPS wanted to have it both ways -- they wanted the political cover of the Working Group while reserving to themselves the entire decision-making authority.

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

[Anonymous]

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

[Anonymous]

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

The demographic projections from the last Master Facilities Plan were 120,000 public school students by the end of the decade, levels that haven't been seen in DC since the 1970's. Now, we'll still have to see what the long term effects of the pandemic are, but if reality is anything close to the projection every school in DCPS is going to be full.

[Anonymous]

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

Every projection is based on existing behavior, because that's all you can base it on. But good schools are a draw, and people move to get into them.

[Anonymous]

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

Every projection is based on existing behavior, because that's all you can base it on. But good schools are a draw, and people move to get into them.

Fair, so both predicted and actual population growth for kids was the highest in Glover Park. Glover Park actually wants the construction. Glover park isn't exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. Why aren't we just building a second school on the Stoddert footprint? If the Foxhall site can fit two schools, why can't that be true at Stoddert?

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

Every projection is based on existing behavior, because that's all you can base it on. But good schools are a draw, and people move to get into them.

Fair, so both predicted and actual population growth for kids was the highest in Glover Park. Glover Park actually wants the construction. Glover park isn't exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. Why aren't we just building a second school on the Stoddert footprint? If the Foxhall site can fit two schools, why can't that be true at Stoddert?

Yes, Glover Park isn’t exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. And it’s also true that Foxhall isn’t exactly walkable to Glover Park for 7 years. And Key isn’t exactly walkable for 7 year olds in Foxhall either.

Why are people from Glover Park lobbying against a walkable elementary school for Foxhall kids while claiming that their having a walkable school is of utmost importance? Do you realize how these arguments look?

Foxhall families want their walkable elementary school construction as well.

There is also not a single site at Foxhall that will be getting two schools. Foxhall ES and MacArthur HS will be located at two different sites on two different blocks.

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

Every projection is based on existing behavior, because that's all you can base it on. But good schools are a draw, and people move to get into them.

Fair, so both predicted and actual population growth for kids was the highest in Glover Park. Glover Park actually wants the construction. Glover park isn't exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. Why aren't we just building a second school on the Stoddert footprint? If the Foxhall site can fit two schools, why can't that be true at Stoddert?

The "first" school at Foxhall isn't a DCPS school, and serves about 70 kids. At this point there's no more sense in including it in DCPS planning than Maret or Sidwell or St. John's.

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

Every projection is based on existing behavior, because that's all you can base it on. But good schools are a draw, and people move to get into them.

Fair, so both predicted and actual population growth for kids was the highest in Glover Park. Glover Park actually wants the construction. Glover park isn't exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. Why aren't we just building a second school on the Stoddert footprint? If the Foxhall site can fit two schools, why can't that be true at Stoddert?

Yes, Glover Park isn’t exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. And it’s also true that Foxhall isn’t exactly walkable to Glover Park for 7 years. And Key isn’t exactly walkable for 7 year olds in Foxhall either.

Why are people from Glover Park lobbying against a walkable elementary school for Foxhall kids while claiming that their having a walkable school is of utmost importance? Do you realize how these arguments look?

Foxhall families want their walkable elementary school construction as well.

There is also not a single site at Foxhall that will be getting two schools. Foxhall ES and MacArthur HS will be located at two different sites on two different blocks.

The problem is DCPS's proposal to build a walkable school in Foxhall by eliminating the walkable school for part of Glover Park.

It doesn't have to be that way, they should build a smaller school at Foxhall for the nearer neighborhoods and expand Stoddert in terms of students not just convert trailers to buildings. Glover Park has been strongly behind this proposal.

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

Every projection is based on existing behavior, because that's all you can base it on. But good schools are a draw, and people move to get into them.

Fair, so both predicted and actual population growth for kids was the highest in Glover Park. Glover Park actually wants the construction. Glover park isn't exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. Why aren't we just building a second school on the Stoddert footprint? If the Foxhall site can fit two schools, why can't that be true at Stoddert?

Yes, Glover Park isn’t exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. And it’s also true that Foxhall isn’t exactly walkable to Glover Park for 7 years. And Key isn’t exactly walkable for 7 year olds in Foxhall either.

Why are people from Glover Park lobbying against a walkable elementary school for Foxhall kids while claiming that their having a walkable school is of utmost importance? Do you realize how these arguments look?

Foxhall families want their walkable elementary school construction as well.

There is also not a single site at Foxhall that will be getting two schools. Foxhall ES and MacArthur HS will be located at two different sites on two different blocks.

The problem is DCPS's proposal to build a walkable school in Foxhall by eliminating the walkable school for part of Glover Park.

It doesn't have to be that way, they should build a smaller school at Foxhall for the nearer neighborhoods and expand Stoddert in terms of students not just convert trailers to buildings. Glover Park has been strongly behind this proposal.

I don't think anyone in Glover Park is against the Foxhall school, just Glover Park kids being sent there. The new foxhall school is proposed to be bigger than Key is today. Plus Foxhall has driven out any prospect of new development, while Glover Park has added hundreds of apartments and condos over the last decade.

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

Every projection is based on existing behavior, because that's all you can base it on. But good schools are a draw, and people move to get into them.

Fair, so both predicted and actual population growth for kids was the highest in Glover Park. Glover Park actually wants the construction. Glover park isn't exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. Why aren't we just building a second school on the Stoddert footprint? If the Foxhall site can fit two schools, why can't that be true at Stoddert?

Yes, Glover Park isn’t exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. And it’s also true that Foxhall isn’t exactly walkable to Glover Park for 7 years. And Key isn’t exactly walkable for 7 year olds in Foxhall either.

Why are people from Glover Park lobbying against a walkable elementary school for Foxhall kids while claiming that their having a walkable school is of utmost importance? Do you realize how these arguments look?

Foxhall families want their walkable elementary school construction as well.

There is also not a single site at Foxhall that will be getting two schools. Foxhall ES and MacArthur HS will be located at two different sites on two different blocks.

The problem is DCPS's proposal to build a walkable school in Foxhall by eliminating the walkable school for part of Glover Park.

For the love of all that is holy, PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. The DCPS Chancellor spoke to the ANC that covers Glover Park last night and confirmed that DCPS has no such plans and will strive - as in all cases - to ensure that the opening of new schools doesn't result in families being assigned to schools that are further away than those their children currently attend.

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

LOL, so the compromise is to invest still more money in Ward 3 without corresponding fixes in other parts of the city. The entitlement brims.

I can see why Tricia Duncan is so popular in Palisades.

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

Every projection is based on existing behavior, because that's all you can base it on. But good schools are a draw, and people move to get into them.

Fair, so both predicted and actual population growth for kids was the highest in Glover Park. Glover Park actually wants the construction. Glover park isn't exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. Why aren't we just building a second school on the Stoddert footprint? If the Foxhall site can fit two schools, why can't that be true at Stoddert?

Yes, Glover Park isn’t exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. And it’s also true that Foxhall isn’t exactly walkable to Glover Park for 7 years. And Key isn’t exactly walkable for 7 year olds in Foxhall either.

Why are people from Glover Park lobbying against a walkable elementary school for Foxhall kids while claiming that their having a walkable school is of utmost importance? Do you realize how these arguments look?

Foxhall families want their walkable elementary school construction as well.

There is also not a single site at Foxhall that will be getting two schools. Foxhall ES and MacArthur HS will be located at two different sites on two different blocks.

The problem is DCPS's proposal to build a walkable school in Foxhall by eliminating the walkable school for part of Glover Park.

For the love of all that is holy, PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. The DCPS Chancellor spoke to the ANC that covers Glover Park last night and confirmed that DCPS has no such plans and will strive - as in all cases - to ensure that the opening of new schools doesn't result in families being assigned to schools that are further away than those their children currently attend.

Striving and doing are two different things, and the DCPS record on this is not exactly without blemishes.

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where did the # of students within 1.1 mi of the new Foxhall school come from? You need a base map for that.

DCPS knows the address of every one of their current students. They have mapping software, they can do things like "give me every student with distance x of this point." When talking about it, they were studious not to say where those students precisely lived. Student privacy restrictions keep them from talking about even things like how many students are on a block.

The important thing to remember here is that DCPS dishonestly measured the median (and mean) Stoddert/Glover Park student as only 1.2 miles from the new school. That means that many (less than 50%, say 45%?) of those Stoddert students fall within a (claimed) 1.1 mile radius for Foxhall. You see why DCPS stuck to that measurement! Their mapping software is showing them Glover Park students.

https://ibb.co/Dtjft2Y
from
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d7ZYwYlkVre4sc4EiH3SWpU-FL5zvj_

We all now know those number are BS, but the working group took them as gospel. Not sure any of the group's recommendations still hold for the elementary school. The money may be better used building a small school on that site for foxhall folks and diverting even more to dramatically increase stoddert (instead of just replacing the trailers).

So we've gone from a Foxhall school should be opposed because it will draw students from Stoddert, to a Foxhall school should be opposed because the money could be diverted to Stoddert. Beggar-thy-neighbors much?

Huh? Keep the Foxhall school, but not 500 kids. That would make it bigger than Stoddert, but in a suburban area that is a fraction of the population density of Glover Park. Expand Stoddert 100 seats. Only the NIMBYs are unhappy. DCPS spends the same amount of money, nobody has to drive to school, fewer kids get hurt in car accidents, less traffic. Not sure what the problem is.

I'm a supporter of the school and this strikes me as a reasonable compromise. The issue, though, is that every expansion that DCPS has done recently has been full almost as soon as it was open. Hyde-Addison opened a third entire building in SY19-20 and has now cut PK3 entirely for SY22-23 because it has again run out of space. Opponents of the school (from Foxhall and Glover Park) like to claim that the school won't be filled, but that certainly hasn't been the recent experience with other nearby schools. Probably the best option is to build it in such a way that it can be reasonably quickly expanded if demand does materialize.

Every projection is based on existing behavior, because that's all you can base it on. But good schools are a draw, and people move to get into them.

Fair, so both predicted and actual population growth for kids was the highest in Glover Park. Glover Park actually wants the construction. Glover park isn't exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. Why aren't we just building a second school on the Stoddert footprint? If the Foxhall site can fit two schools, why can't that be true at Stoddert?

Yes, Glover Park isn’t exactly walkable to Foxhall for 7 year olds. And it’s also true that Foxhall isn’t exactly walkable to Glover Park for 7 years. And Key isn’t exactly walkable for 7 year olds in Foxhall either.

Why are people from Glover Park lobbying against a walkable elementary school for Foxhall kids while claiming that their having a walkable school is of utmost importance? Do you realize how these arguments look?

Foxhall families want their walkable elementary school construction as well.

There is also not a single site at Foxhall that will be getting two schools. Foxhall ES and MacArthur HS will be located at two different sites on two different blocks.

The problem is DCPS's proposal to build a walkable school in Foxhall by eliminating the walkable school for part of Glover Park.

For the love of all that is holy, PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. The DCPS Chancellor spoke to the ANC that covers Glover Park last night and confirmed that DCPS has no such plans and will strive - as in all cases - to ensure that the opening of new schools doesn't result in families being assigned to schools that are further away than those their children currently attend.

Striving and doing are two different things, and the DCPS record on this is not exactly without blemishes.

It's very hard to converse with people who always think that there is some kind of conspiracy against them.