It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just 26% of respondents to a new poll say the government should pay money to black Americans descended from slaves, with black Americans far more likely than white Americans to support the idea

Black Entertainment Television (BET) founder Bob Johnson this month called for $14 trillion in reparations to atone for slavery, government-sponsored discrimination and “permanent emotional trauma” experienced by black Americans. The proposed reparations, he said in a statement, would take the form of direct cash payments over 10 to 20 years to descendants of African-American enslaved people.

Think about that level of popular support and that monetary estimate. Not compatible. But even assuming support, where would the money come from? Especially after the debt from coronavirus.

Link to that poll?

Seems like public opinion is changing.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/why-trump-tanking-polls/613651/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/09/floyd-protests-have-changed-public-opinion-about-race-policing-heres-data/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just 26% of respondents to a new poll say the government should pay money to black Americans descended from slaves, with black Americans far more likely than white Americans to support the idea

Black Entertainment Television (BET) founder Bob Johnson this month called for $14 trillion in reparations to atone for slavery, government-sponsored discrimination and “permanent emotional trauma” experienced by black Americans. The proposed reparations, he said in a statement, would take the form of direct cash payments over 10 to 20 years to descendants of African-American enslaved people.

What is Bob Johnson's net worth and how much is he expected to receive in reparations?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any sort of reparations is going to require a DNA test of each recipient.

So...is everyone on board with reparations in exchange for the government having a giant database of Black American DNA?

That is how it is going to play out if you really want to go there...

Liberals love big government control and are socialist by nature so yes they’re fine with it. That way they can increase their rate of concocting people of blood sins. Oh, your parents voted for Trump and you have the same DNA, off to the rice fields with you.

As I sad before, why do Asian people have to pay for this garbage? I’m not white, I didn’t own slaves and neither did my ancestors. If you really want reparations move to Europe and protest there. They started the slave trade and colonized Africa not the USA. I’m sure they’re more than willing to help, besides most of you want us to be more like Europe anyways so just move there. My family moved here to escape this kind of nonsense and here we have people trying to push socialist programs and complaining. Why do you think it’s owed to you?

Actually, go back to Africa for reparations, they’re the ones who sold the slaves. Oh but wait, Africa has no money. Well, they could give you diamonds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just 26% of respondents to a new poll say the government should pay money to black Americans descended from slaves, with black Americans far more likely than white Americans to support the idea

Black Entertainment Television (BET) founder Bob Johnson this month called for $14 trillion in reparations to atone for slavery, government-sponsored discrimination and “permanent emotional trauma” experienced by black Americans. The proposed reparations, he said in a statement, would take the form of direct cash payments over 10 to 20 years to descendants of African-American enslaved people.

Think about that level of popular support and that monetary estimate. Not compatible. But even assuming support, where would the money come from? Especially after the debt from coronavirus.

Link to that poll?

Seems like public opinion is changing.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/why-trump-tanking-polls/613651/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/09/floyd-protests-have-changed-public-opinion-about-race-policing-heres-data/

These polls have nothing to do with reparations. The link to the reparations poll, which is recent, is upthread. Only half of blacks want reparations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just 26% of respondents to a new poll say the government should pay money to black Americans descended from slaves, with black Americans far more likely than white Americans to support the idea

Black Entertainment Television (BET) founder Bob Johnson this month called for $14 trillion in reparations to atone for slavery, government-sponsored discrimination and “permanent emotional trauma” experienced by black Americans. The proposed reparations, he said in a statement, would take the form of direct cash payments over 10 to 20 years to descendants of African-American enslaved people.

Think about that level of popular support and that monetary estimate. Not compatible. But even assuming support, where would the money come from? Especially after the debt from coronavirus.

Link to that poll?

Seems like public opinion is changing.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/why-trump-tanking-polls/613651/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/09/floyd-protests-have-changed-public-opinion-about-race-policing-heres-data/

These polls have nothing to do with reparations. The link to the reparations poll, which is recent, is upthread. Only half of blacks want reparations.

Can you repost the link? Maybe it was deleted - I just went several pages back and couldn’t find it.

Did the poll specify “cash” reparations?

What about reparations in form of investments in education and homeownership?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just 26% of respondents to a new poll say the government should pay money to black Americans descended from slaves, with black Americans far more likely than white Americans to support the idea

Black Entertainment Television (BET) founder Bob Johnson this month called for $14 trillion in reparations to atone for slavery, government-sponsored discrimination and “permanent emotional trauma” experienced by black Americans. The proposed reparations, he said in a statement, would take the form of direct cash payments over 10 to 20 years to descendants of African-American enslaved people.

Think about that level of popular support and that monetary estimate. Not compatible. But even assuming support, where would the money come from? Especially after the debt from coronavirus.

Link to that poll?

Seems like public opinion is changing.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/why-trump-tanking-polls/613651/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/09/floyd-protests-have-changed-public-opinion-about-race-policing-heres-data/

These polls have nothing to do with reparations. The link to the reparations poll, which is recent, is upthread. Only half of blacks want reparations.

Can you repost the link? Maybe it was deleted - I just went several pages back and couldn’t find it.

Did the poll specify “cash” reparations?

What about reparations in form of investments in education and homeownership?

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/abc-coronavirus-poll-wave-13

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just 26% of respondents to a new poll say the government should pay money to black Americans descended from slaves, with black Americans far more likely than white Americans to support the idea

Black Entertainment Television (BET) founder Bob Johnson this month called for $14 trillion in reparations to atone for slavery, government-sponsored discrimination and “permanent emotional trauma” experienced by black Americans. The proposed reparations, he said in a statement, would take the form of direct cash payments over 10 to 20 years to descendants of African-American enslaved people.

Think about that level of popular support and that monetary estimate. Not compatible. But even assuming support, where would the money come from? Especially after the debt from coronavirus.

Link to that poll?

Seems like public opinion is changing.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/why-trump-tanking-polls/613651/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/09/floyd-protests-have-changed-public-opinion-about-race-policing-heres-data/

These polls have nothing to do with reparations. The link to the reparations poll, which is recent, is upthread. Only half of blacks want reparations.

Can you repost the link? Maybe it was deleted - I just went several pages back and couldn’t find it.

Did the poll specify “cash” reparations?

What about reparations in form of investments in education and homeownership?

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/abc-coronavirus-poll-wave-13

This poll says “pay money” which means cash. I wonder how people would respond to other forms of reparations.

And how sad is this. Only 50% of Republicans support banning choke holds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about Asian people? Do I owe? What if my cousin, who is half black, half white? Does he get 50% off? What about white people who have ancestors who paid with their lives in the Union Army to end slavery? That seems like a large payment.

What if I'm white and recently immigrated? Do I owe? What if your family immigrated after slavery ended? What if you were oppressed in the country where you were born? What if? What if? I can't see a cash transfer proposal gaining traction when all is said and done. But there are probably other changes that would.

Recent immigrants, and those whose families came to the US after the Civil War, cannot opt out.

People in those categories benefited from undeserved privilege and racist societal structures regardless of when their families came to this country.

Black people benefit from affirmative action, which is a racist policy. They also benefit from the the racist college admissions process so you will have to subtract that from the amount we owe you. For Asians, make that X 2.

Affirmative action is NOT a racist policy.

It is an ongoing effort to counteract the privilege and racism baked into societal structures, and has absolutely nothing to do with the coming reparations.

"Coming reparations." Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Dream on.

Sorry Trumpy Bear. Your guy is going to lose big in a few months, and the door will open for major progressive changes in this country once Biden takes over.

The time has come for reparations, and it is one of the things that WILL happen under the new administration

Then and Asian vote is gone.

Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any sort of reparations is going to require a DNA test of each recipient.

So...is everyone on board with reparations in exchange for the government having a giant database of Black American DNA?

That is how it is going to play out if you really want to go there...

Liberals love big government control and are socialist by nature so yes they’re fine with it. That way they can increase their rate of concocting people of blood sins. Oh, your parents voted for Trump and you have the same DNA, off to the rice fields with you.

As I sad before, why do Asian people have to pay for this garbage? I’m not white, I didn’t own slaves and neither did my ancestors. If you really want reparations move to Europe and protest there. They started the slave trade and colonized Africa not the USA. I’m sure they’re more than willing to help, besides most of you want us to be more like Europe anyways so just move there. My family moved here to escape this kind of nonsense and here we have people trying to push socialist programs and complaining. Why do you think it’s owed to you?

Actually, go back to Africa for reparations, they’re the ones who sold the slaves. Oh but wait, Africa has no money. Well, they could give you diamonds.

Or actually go to Africa. That's why President Monroe arranged for the purchase of a big hunk of land which was subsequently named Liberia.

[Anonymous]

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

Agree w both.

[Anonymous]

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

Same with renaming military bases. I have not seen one leader talk about the cost. It will be in the billions. Think about it, it costs around $1million to change the name of a high school. Some of these Army posts are huge and have multiple entrances with many, many buildings, etc. with names on them. This does not even take into account the amount of man hours to figure it all out.
Even choosing the new names will be very expensive. Do you think re-naming commissions come free?

And, anyone who has ever served knows how much red tape can get messed up. Cannot wait to see all the messed up orders for soldiers as a result. This is going to be a very expensive can of worms.

And, until it was brought up,no one even knew or cared who the posts were named after. If there are any statues, etc, honoring these guys, remove them. But, no one is "honoring" them by serving there.

The billions could be better spent on the soldiers themselves.

[Anonymous]

p.s. Read a little history. Braxton Bragg was a terrible general. May have helped the Union win the war.

[Anonymous]

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If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

Same with renaming military bases. I have not seen one leader talk about the cost. It will be in the billions. Think about it, it costs around $1million to change the name of a high school. Some of these Army posts are huge and have multiple entrances with many, many buildings, etc. with names on them. This does not even take into account the amount of man hours to figure it all out.
Even choosing the new names will be very expensive. Do you think re-naming commissions come free?

And, anyone who has ever served knows how much red tape can get messed up. Cannot wait to see all the messed up orders for soldiers as a result. This is going to be a very expensive can of worms.

And, until it was brought up,no one even knew or cared who the posts were named after. If there are any statues, etc, honoring these guys, remove them. But, no one is "honoring" them by serving there.

The billions could be better spent on the soldiers themselves.

PP here. I'm fine with spending a few million on this. Your "in the billions" speculation is just speculation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.

Same with renaming military bases. I have not seen one leader talk about the cost. It will be in the billions. Think about it, it costs around $1million to change the name of a high school. Some of these Army posts are huge and have multiple entrances with many, many buildings, etc. with names on them. This does not even take into account the amount of man hours to figure it all out.
Even choosing the new names will be very expensive. Do you think re-naming commissions come free?

And, anyone who has ever served knows how much red tape can get messed up. Cannot wait to see all the messed up orders for soldiers as a result. This is going to be a very expensive can of worms.

And, until it was brought up,no one even knew or cared who the posts were named after. If there are any statues, etc, honoring these guys, remove them. But, no one is "honoring" them by serving there.

The billions could be better spent on the soldiers themselves.

PP here. I'm fine with spending a few million on this. Your "in the billions" speculation is just speculation.

You have no idea. There are at least ten Army posts. And, if one school is one million, it easily will be in the billions. Have you ever been to Fort Bragg? Fort Benning? Fort Hood? Multiple entrances. Thousands and thousands of directional signs. Thousands of buildings.
Not to mention all the paperwork that would have to be changed.

No. Not millions. More. And, don't forget the manhours involved in figuring it out. Probably, several very large military contracts.

We are not talking about one post. And, when they start researching, there are likely a lot of smaller installations, as well.