The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile my two oldest kids going back to college but my kid in middle school can’t sit in a classroom.

I think that the bathrooms in college campus buildings will have soap.

Also, take a minute to think about how a college campus serving adults who are paying tuition might be different from a large public school system legally required to provide a free publication for children of all ages, and to transport them to school.

You mean, it's more urgent for a large public school system to be open? If so, I agree.

You are impossible. It is much more challenging to serve all ages with appropriate safety measures in place. The transportation is one of the most difficult challenges. What are your solutions, or do want to return F2F with no mitigation measures in place?

Lots of solutions on this thread already.

And no, transportation is not one of the most difficult challenges. Require masks and put the bus windows down.

So if you were in charge, would ignore the CDC guidelines for social distancing? I know they aren't law, but if they are best practice, you would just ignore them?

Then what's your solution? Because more "distance learning" is simply not acceptable.

Public transportation has been shown to NOT be a vector of transmission.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile my two oldest kids going back to college but my kid in middle school can’t sit in a classroom.

I think that the bathrooms in college campus buildings will have soap.

Also, take a minute to think about how a college campus serving adults who are paying tuition might be different from a large public school system legally required to provide a free publication for children of all ages, and to transport them to school.

You mean, it's more urgent for a large public school system to be open? If so, I agree.

You are impossible. It is much more challenging to serve all ages with appropriate safety measures in place. The transportation is one of the most difficult challenges. What are your solutions, or do want to return F2F with no mitigation measures in place?

Lots of solutions on this thread already.

And no, transportation is not one of the most difficult challenges. Require masks and put the bus windows down.

So if you were in charge, would ignore the CDC guidelines for social distancing? I know they aren't law, but if they are best practice, you would just ignore them?

Then what's your solution? Because more "distance learning" is simply not acceptable.

Public transportation has been shown to NOT be a vector of transmission.

Have crowded school buses been shown to be vectors of transmission? Any studies on that?

I've said all along that if in person for all isn't possible, getting younger kids back, grouped in small groups with social distancing on the buses should be prioritized. But everyone keeps arguing with me.

What makes this so difficult from a policy perspective is the public health guidance. It isn't the law, and the CDC guidance is riddled with phrases like "where possible." They are recommendations and if you look at them, they are difficult to implement in crowded schools, particularly high schools. You want your kids back in school, so you will say that the districts are free to ignore these recommendations. I guess that they are. But if things go wrong, everyone will come back for blood because the public health expert advice was ignored. There are also drawbacks to trying to go back and then having to close, which could result in worse outcomes than a better planned DL program with more instruction.

There is no "no risk" scenario, no matter how much you want everyone to be back. The risk isn't just whether kids will die, but whether opening schools will increase community transmission to unacceptable levels.

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Have crowded school buses been shown to be vectors of transmission? Any studies on that?

I've said all along that if in person for all isn't possible, getting younger kids back, grouped in small groups with social distancing on the buses should be prioritized. But everyone keeps arguing with me.

What makes this so difficult from a policy perspective is the public health guidance. It isn't the law, and the CDC guidance is riddled with phrases like "where possible." They are recommendations and if you look at them, they are difficult to implement in crowded schools, particularly high schools. You want your kids back in school, so you will say that the districts are free to ignore these recommendations. I guess that they are. But if things go wrong, everyone will come back for blood because the public health expert advice was ignored. There are also drawbacks to trying to go back and then having to close, which could result in worse outcomes than a better planned DL program with more instruction.

There is no "no risk" scenario, no matter how much you want everyone to be back. The risk isn't just whether kids will die, but whether opening schools will increase community transmission to unacceptable levels.

Public transportation, including buses, has been shown to not be a vector of transmission.

In-person school for all is possible - people just need to decide to do it.

Covid is not the only public-health outcome here, even though people are acting as though it is. Keeping children out of school is enormously harmful to public health.

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If Maryland districts must have a plan to the State by July 10, they have to quickly obtain input from all stakeholders and make difficult decisions. I have had plenty of concerns about teachers over the years, but seriously people. These are professionals who can’t even get cleaning supplies and tissues in their classroom under normal circumstances and you want them to walk back into schools without significant protections in place?

Do you know if this date is firm? Schools in MD will have a plan presented to the public by 7/10? That would be great, whatever it is, so everyone can plan.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you been to the dentist lately? The amount of procedures in place just to get your teeth cleaned makes me wonder how on earth we will be able to open schools at all....

Because getting your teeth cleaned is just like public school? I mean, they're analogous insofar as they both involve people doing things indoors. But other than that, I can't think of a lot of similarities.

Agree - school is much much worse with so many more people. If they can't handle having one person at a time at the dentist without major precautions - how will they let 1000 kids into a school???

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you been to the dentist lately? The amount of procedures in place just to get your teeth cleaned makes me wonder how on earth we will be able to open schools at all....

Because getting your teeth cleaned is just like public school? I mean, they're analogous insofar as they both involve people doing things indoors. But other than that, I can't think of a lot of similarities.

Agree - school is much much worse with so many more people. If they can't handle having one person at a time at the dentist without major precautions - how will they let 1000 kids into a school???

The issue at the dentist is not the number of people. It's the dentistry.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you been to the dentist lately? The amount of procedures in place just to get your teeth cleaned makes me wonder how on earth we will be able to open schools at all....

Because getting your teeth cleaned is just like public school? I mean, they're analogous insofar as they both involve people doing things indoors. But other than that, I can't think of a lot of similarities.

Agree - school is much much worse with so many more people. If they can't handle having one person at a time at the dentist without major precautions - how will they let 1000 kids into a school???

The issue at the dentist is not the number of people. It's the dentistry.

Okay so how about the doctor's office. They won't let more than one person at a time in the waiting room. At least at my doctor. You have to call when you get there, you go in after the current patient has left, they take your temperature at the door, ask questions, and then let you in. If we have this many precautions just to go in the SAME ROOM as someone elese, I fail to see how we can open a school building.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you been to the dentist lately? The amount of procedures in place just to get your teeth cleaned makes me wonder how on earth we will be able to open schools at all....

Because getting your teeth cleaned is just like public school? I mean, they're analogous insofar as they both involve people doing things indoors. But other than that, I can't think of a lot of similarities.

Agree - school is much much worse with so many more people. If they can't handle having one person at a time at the dentist without major precautions - how will they let 1000 kids into a school???

The issue at the dentist is not the number of people. It's the dentistry.

Okay so how about the doctor's office. They won't let more than one person at a time in the waiting room. At least at my doctor. You have to call when you get there, you go in after the current patient has left, they take your temperature at the door, ask questions, and then let you in. If we have this many precautions just to go in the SAME ROOM as someone elese, I fail to see how we can open a school building.

Because a doctor's office, which deals with sick people, is not the same as a school. Or a restaurant, or a store.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you been to the dentist lately? The amount of procedures in place just to get your teeth cleaned makes me wonder how on earth we will be able to open schools at all....

Because getting your teeth cleaned is just like public school? I mean, they're analogous insofar as they both involve people doing things indoors. But other than that, I can't think of a lot of similarities.

Agree - school is much much worse with so many more people. If they can't handle having one person at a time at the dentist without major precautions - how will they let 1000 kids into a school???

The issue at the dentist is not the number of people. It's the dentistry.

Okay so how about the doctor's office. They won't let more than one person at a time in the waiting room. At least at my doctor. You have to call when you get there, you go in after the current patient has left, they take your temperature at the door, ask questions, and then let you in. If we have this many precautions just to go in the SAME ROOM as someone elese, I fail to see how we can open a school building.

Because a doctor's office, which deals with sick people, is not the same as a school. Or a restaurant, or a store.

An orthopedic doctor does not deal with sick people.... just saying. I think you are missing my point. My daughter can't even go to her private riding lesson without a mask and a ton of rules and that is outdoors. What I'm saying is for better or worse, with the amount of rules and regulations out there right now, I can't see how school can open. Perhaps the rules and regulations are over the top (they seem that way to me a bit), but I don't see how they are going to suddenly do a 180 and allow everyone in somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you been to the dentist lately? The amount of procedures in place just to get your teeth cleaned makes me wonder how on earth we will be able to open schools at all....

Because getting your teeth cleaned is just like public school? I mean, they're analogous insofar as they both involve people doing things indoors. But other than that, I can't think of a lot of similarities.

Agree - school is much much worse with so many more people. If they can't handle having one person at a time at the dentist without major precautions - how will they let 1000 kids into a school???

The issue at the dentist is not the number of people. It's the dentistry.

Okay so how about the doctor's office. They won't let more than one person at a time in the waiting room. At least at my doctor. You have to call when you get there, you go in after the current patient has left, they take your temperature at the door, ask questions, and then let you in. If we have this many precautions just to go in the SAME ROOM as someone elese, I fail to see how we can open a school building.

They have to open because they are an essential service. That's why. And honestly I think the teachers in elementary school can stand outside in the morning and do the temperature checks for their class before going in. Would take less than 5 minutes. Its excuse after excuse of why we shouldn't open schools. This is our children's education. Its serious.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you been to the dentist lately? The amount of procedures in place just to get your teeth cleaned makes me wonder how on earth we will be able to open schools at all....

Because getting your teeth cleaned is just like public school? I mean, they're analogous insofar as they both involve people doing things indoors. But other than that, I can't think of a lot of similarities.

Agree - school is much much worse with so many more people. If they can't handle having one person at a time at the dentist without major precautions - how will they let 1000 kids into a school???

The issue at the dentist is not the number of people. It's the dentistry.

Okay so how about the doctor's office. They won't let more than one person at a time in the waiting room. At least at my doctor. You have to call when you get there, you go in after the current patient has left, they take your temperature at the door, ask questions, and then let you in. If we have this many precautions just to go in the SAME ROOM as someone elese, I fail to see how we can open a school building.

They have to open because they are an essential service. That's why. And honestly I think the teachers in elementary school can stand outside in the morning and do the temperature checks for their class before going in. Would take less than 5 minutes. Its excuse after excuse of why we shouldn't open schools. This is our children's education. Its serious.

I'm not making excuses - just from what I see with all these rules/regulations, I don't see how they can suddenly open schools. Do I want them to? Sure. Do I think it will happen? Not really. Plus our middle school is over a 1000 kids - that will not be quick to take everyone's temperature. I have no idea what they will do - but at this point I just don't know how they will do it.... I guess we will find out.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you been to the dentist lately? The amount of procedures in place just to get your teeth cleaned makes me wonder how on earth we will be able to open schools at all....

Because getting your teeth cleaned is just like public school? I mean, they're analogous insofar as they both involve people doing things indoors. But other than that, I can't think of a lot of similarities.

Agree - school is much much worse with so many more people. If they can't handle having one person at a time at the dentist without major precautions - how will they let 1000 kids into a school???

The issue at the dentist is not the number of people. It's the dentistry.

Okay so how about the doctor's office. They won't let more than one person at a time in the waiting room. At least at my doctor. You have to call when you get there, you go in after the current patient has left, they take your temperature at the door, ask questions, and then let you in. If we have this many precautions just to go in the SAME ROOM as someone elese, I fail to see how we can open a school building.

I work as a nurse case manager and attend doctor's appointments with patients. I've gone to about 10 different practices this week. Doctor's office in the DMV have almost all opened up their waiting rooms. They have every-other chair closed (with a sign) but I spend my days in waiting rooms with 10-20 other people who are also waiting to see their physicians.
The offices are no longer locked-down with patients registering from their cars. You may have a practice that is still doing this but 99% are not.

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An orthopedic doctor does not deal with sick people.... just saying. I think you are missing my point. My daughter can't even go to her private riding lesson without a mask and a ton of rules and that is outdoors. What I'm saying is for better or worse, with the amount of rules and regulations out there right now, I can't see how school can open. Perhaps the rules and regulations are over the top (they seem that way to me a bit), but I don't see how they are going to suddenly do a 180 and allow everyone in somewhere.

OK, but people have been going into stores ALL ALONG with nothing but a mask.

Home Depot is an essential service. So are schools.

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As apart of phase 2, restaurants opened with 50% capacity. The larger chains have opened and have 200+ folks in their restaurant which is all in one open floor plan indoor room. If restaurants can open up like this and have 200+ folks in one room to eat/socialize, then schools can open up too. When these folks are eating, they aren't wearing masks etc. Each table has upto 6 people sitting around/eating/chatting etc. If the MD and VA governors allow this, schools need to be opened up.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you been to the dentist lately? The amount of procedures in place just to get your teeth cleaned makes me wonder how on earth we will be able to open schools at all....

Because getting your teeth cleaned is just like public school? I mean, they're analogous insofar as they both involve people doing things indoors. But other than that, I can't think of a lot of similarities.

Agree - school is much much worse with so many more people. If they can't handle having one person at a time at the dentist without major precautions - how will they let 1000 kids into a school???

The issue at the dentist is not the number of people. It's the dentistry.

Okay so how about the doctor's office. They won't let more than one person at a time in the waiting room. At least at my doctor. You have to call when you get there, you go in after the current patient has left, they take your temperature at the door, ask questions, and then let you in. If we have this many precautions just to go in the SAME ROOM as someone elese, I fail to see how we can open a school building.

I work as a nurse case manager and attend doctor's appointments with patients. I've gone to about 10 different practices this week. Doctor's office in the DMV have almost all opened up their waiting rooms. They have every-other chair closed (with a sign) but I spend my days in waiting rooms with 10-20 other people who are also waiting to see their physicians.
The offices are no longer locked-down with patients registering from their cars. You may have a practice that is still doing this but 99% are not.

I went to two doctors in the past week and they were still locked down. Perhaps that has changed since I went.