Travis and Taylor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TS is a critically acclaimed, multi award winning, billionaire singer songwriter with a 20 year career at the top of her game. She’s sold out actual stadiums all over the world. 8 million people like her instagram posts. She’s won every possible award. I don’t think she’s the massive sad so many of you want her to be because she doesn’t have your dusty husband and kids. Get over yourselves, my goodness.

Why are you taking this as a personal assault?

You have the facts right, but she is ALSO delivering a very practiced, high choreographed (down to finger pointing), high energy Stage show. But is isn’t a spontaneous rock or jam show.
She is really good at the stage show. But she isn’t focusing on the music itself and showing off derivatives of her songs. She is giving the fans a visually stunning live action music video, not a rock concert.

Why does that bother you? She doesn’t need to be everything, she clearly has won this. It is ok.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Travis is using Taylor to be in the spotlight. I think going on stage with, her at Wembley no less, is childish. He is not a musician nor an actor, so it’s attention seeking and kind of embarrassing.

I mean, she wasn’t gonna get Harry or Matty on that stage (would’ve been epic, must say), so she did what she could.

I just don’t understand the narrative all of the very rabid anti TS folks are sticking to. The idea that she is a tragic fool who no guy will like because of her narcissism and she is money hungry and “blocking” other artists and madly in love with this guy who thinks she’s a tool etc etc. It’s all so contrived and requires so much effort. Insisting on disliking someone or something vehemently because it’s popular is not a personality. It’s a weird need for attention for being cool and original and so above it all, and it makes you tiring. This is why you have to make Reddit sub forums to share your weird obsessive hatred. If you have built up this weird cache of manipulated information to make all these accusations you really, really need to get a new pastime.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TS is a critically acclaimed, multi award winning, billionaire singer songwriter with a 20 year career at the top of her game. She’s sold out actual stadiums all over the world. 8 million people like her instagram posts. She’s won every possible award. I don’t think she’s the massive sad so many of you want her to be because she doesn’t have your dusty husband and kids. Get over yourselves, my goodness.

Why are you taking this as a personal assault?

You have the facts right, but she is ALSO delivering a very practiced, high choreographed (down to finger pointing), high energy Stage show. But is isn’t a spontaneous rock or jam show.
She is really good at the stage show. But she isn’t focusing on the music itself and showing off derivatives of her songs. She is giving the fans a visually stunning live action music video, not a rock concert.

Why does that bother you? She doesn’t need to be everything, she clearly has won this. It is ok.

It's a tad bit of both, with the surprise songs each night, but those are only a few. But I agree, the rest is like a massive musical theater production rather than a "concert" and both are amazing to see.

[Anonymous]

I saw her on her Reputation tour and she lipsynched songs on that tour as well. She’s not a very strong singer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess what I don’t understand is why have a three and half hour show at all if you can’t do it without some lip syncing? Cut it down and do the real thing. Do two hours instead. It feels more quantity than quality. And I am a huge Taylor fan, btw.

Same reason she wouldn't edit down her album from 31 songs? The public simply had to hear all of the goodness.

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Anonymous wrote:Spoiled kids getting all these cool stuff privileges. I’d be thrilled if she invites some disadvantaged children to her shows.

You know, that's interesting. Does Taylor invite disadvantaged kids to her concerts?

Are there any adult artists that set aside tickets for children?

Just rich ones mostly. Taylor is good about having celebrity kids photographed because we all love celebrities and it makes the show look even more appealing.

Smart marketing and PR.

Taylor has performed this show over 100 times, and I can recall has given the 22 hat to Selena's sister and the late Kobe Bryant's daughter. Which other celeb kids received the 22 hat? I've mostly noticed its generally a local child and/or one with an illness or disability. Yes, I stream almost all the shows.

Question for you since you have seen every show. I just read that Taylor doesn’t sing all the songs she has a track behind her to back her up? Is that true?

Not PP but no.

DP. So Taylor Swift has no backing tracks at all? This newsweek article covers recent lip sync accusations.

https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-eras-tour-lip-syncing-viral-video-paris-1900803#:~:text=%22Only%20some%20%5Bperformances%5D%20are,all%20real%20performances%2C%20live.%22

She definitely lip syncs for parts of the show but doesn’t appear to in eras as much as she did on the rep tour.

All pop stars do this but Beyonce is the best at it. It’s obvious when Taylor is lipping.

It’s a gross overstatement to describe what she does as lip syncing. Or to suggest it goes beyond industry standard.

All stadium performers use some kind of backup. Taylor uses backup singers.

Part of why this is de rigeur is the way music is produced now. Albums are not direct recordings. Vocals get blended and adjusted. So in order to sound like what people think is their real voice, artists have to approximate this kind of production in live shows. Everybody does this. For ex:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/arts/music/kuk-harrell-justin-biebers-vocal-producer.html?unlocked_article_code=1.2E0.urYt.Bz0sI0_qvCF5&smid=url-share

Taylor is first and foremost a songwriter, not a singer. She has never presented herself as a diva vocalist. She does not try to fake a vocal range she does not have.

Exactly. She also is dancing around and singing for THREE HOURS. Of course she would have to have SOME lip sync tracks. Clearly it doesnt affect anyone's desire to see her live

Dancing is a stretch. More like skipping around.
Bono moves a lot on stage too, but his band doesn’t use backing tracks. Ever.

No musician has ever performed a 3.5 hr concert 150 times. I’m not sure why you continue to poke at the smallest things. I’d take the addition of back tracks for what she does over the 90 min show that most bands are doing these days.

Um. Broadway? 8 shows a week? For years?

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Anonymous wrote:Spoiled kids getting all these cool stuff privileges. I’d be thrilled if she invites some disadvantaged children to her shows.

You know, that's interesting. Does Taylor invite disadvantaged kids to her concerts?

Are there any adult artists that set aside tickets for children?

Just rich ones mostly. Taylor is good about having celebrity kids photographed because we all love celebrities and it makes the show look even more appealing.

Smart marketing and PR.

Taylor has performed this show over 100 times, and I can recall has given the 22 hat to Selena's sister and the late Kobe Bryant's daughter. Which other celeb kids received the 22 hat? I've mostly noticed its generally a local child and/or one with an illness or disability. Yes, I stream almost all the shows.

Question for you since you have seen every show. I just read that Taylor doesn’t sing all the songs she has a track behind her to back her up? Is that true?

Not PP but no.

DP. So Taylor Swift has no backing tracks at all? This newsweek article covers recent lip sync accusations.

https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-eras-tour-lip-syncing-viral-video-paris-1900803#:~:text=%22Only%20some%20%5Bperformances%5D%20are,all%20real%20performances%2C%20live.%22

She definitely lip syncs for parts of the show but doesn’t appear to in eras as much as she did on the rep tour.

All pop stars do this but Beyonce is the best at it. It’s obvious when Taylor is lipping.

It’s a gross overstatement to describe what she does as lip syncing. Or to suggest it goes beyond industry standard.

All stadium performers use some kind of backup. Taylor uses backup singers.

Part of why this is de rigeur is the way music is produced now. Albums are not direct recordings. Vocals get blended and adjusted. So in order to sound like what people think is their real voice, artists have to approximate this kind of production in live shows. Everybody does this. For ex:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/arts/music/kuk-harrell-justin-biebers-vocal-producer.html?unlocked_article_code=1.2E0.urYt.Bz0sI0_qvCF5&smid=url-share

Taylor is first and foremost a songwriter, not a singer. She has never presented herself as a diva vocalist. She does not try to fake a vocal range she does not have.

Exactly. She also is dancing around and singing for THREE HOURS. Of course she would have to have SOME lip sync tracks. Clearly it doesnt affect anyone's desire to see her live

Dancing is a stretch. More like skipping around.
Bono moves a lot on stage too, but his band doesn’t use backing tracks. Ever.

No musician has ever performed a 3.5 hr concert 150 times. I’m not sure why you continue to poke at the smallest things. I’d take the addition of back tracks for what she does over the 90 min show that most bands are doing these days.

The thing I have always enjoyed about concerts is that they can be spontaneous. Musicians can play off the crowd, change songs, decide to do something different mid stream. After hearing everyone talk about Taylor’s concerts, hers are more of the choreographed variety. People have even mentioned her finger gestures as the same. I understand it is probably an amazing show, but it is like the Amusement park shows: a rehearsed extravaganza. That has its place, but that is also the genre she is in.

Other musicians mix it up and to me the spontaneous nature of their shows add to the joy I get out of it.

What are you talking about? She does spontaneous things at every concert. That's why there's hundreds of thousands that live stream every concert. Her speeches change, the surprise songs ALWAYS change, sometimes she hits a different note and winks (sending crazy Swifties into easter egg rabbit holes). But she herself has said that she wanted to make sure that certain aspects are very choreographed and rehearsed so she doesn't have to "think" and instead it allows her to be more spontaneous.

I don't understand why people who really don't know what they're talking about keep making statements that are untrue because of something they've "heard". What are you getting out of spreading a false narrative?

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Anonymous wrote:Spoiled kids getting all these cool stuff privileges. I’d be thrilled if she invites some disadvantaged children to her shows.

You know, that's interesting. Does Taylor invite disadvantaged kids to her concerts?

Are there any adult artists that set aside tickets for children?

Just rich ones mostly. Taylor is good about having celebrity kids photographed because we all love celebrities and it makes the show look even more appealing.

Smart marketing and PR.

Taylor has performed this show over 100 times, and I can recall has given the 22 hat to Selena's sister and the late Kobe Bryant's daughter. Which other celeb kids received the 22 hat? I've mostly noticed its generally a local child and/or one with an illness or disability. Yes, I stream almost all the shows.

Question for you since you have seen every show. I just read that Taylor doesn’t sing all the songs she has a track behind her to back her up? Is that true?

Not PP but no.

DP. So Taylor Swift has no backing tracks at all? This newsweek article covers recent lip sync accusations.

https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-eras-tour-lip-syncing-viral-video-paris-1900803#:~:text=%22Only%20some%20%5Bperformances%5D%20are,all%20real%20performances%2C%20live.%22

She definitely lip syncs for parts of the show but doesn’t appear to in eras as much as she did on the rep tour.

All pop stars do this but Beyonce is the best at it. It’s obvious when Taylor is lipping.

It’s a gross overstatement to describe what she does as lip syncing. Or to suggest it goes beyond industry standard.

All stadium performers use some kind of backup. Taylor uses backup singers.

Part of why this is de rigeur is the way music is produced now. Albums are not direct recordings. Vocals get blended and adjusted. So in order to sound like what people think is their real voice, artists have to approximate this kind of production in live shows. Everybody does this. For ex:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/arts/music/kuk-harrell-justin-biebers-vocal-producer.html?unlocked_article_code=1.2E0.urYt.Bz0sI0_qvCF5&smid=url-share

Taylor is first and foremost a songwriter, not a singer. She has never presented herself as a diva vocalist. She does not try to fake a vocal range she does not have.

Exactly. She also is dancing around and singing for THREE HOURS. Of course she would have to have SOME lip sync tracks. Clearly it doesnt affect anyone's desire to see her live

Dancing is a stretch. More like skipping around.
Bono moves a lot on stage too, but his band doesn’t use backing tracks. Ever.

No musician has ever performed a 3.5 hr concert 150 times. I’m not sure why you continue to poke at the smallest things. I’d take the addition of back tracks for what she does over the 90 min show that most bands are doing these days.

Um. Broadway? 8 shows a week? For years?

Nice try. Apples to oranges.

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Anonymous wrote:Spoiled kids getting all these cool stuff privileges. I’d be thrilled if she invites some disadvantaged children to her shows.

You know, that's interesting. Does Taylor invite disadvantaged kids to her concerts?

Are there any adult artists that set aside tickets for children?

Just rich ones mostly. Taylor is good about having celebrity kids photographed because we all love celebrities and it makes the show look even more appealing.

Smart marketing and PR.

Taylor has performed this show over 100 times, and I can recall has given the 22 hat to Selena's sister and the late Kobe Bryant's daughter. Which other celeb kids received the 22 hat? I've mostly noticed its generally a local child and/or one with an illness or disability. Yes, I stream almost all the shows.

Question for you since you have seen every show. I just read that Taylor doesn’t sing all the songs she has a track behind her to back her up? Is that true?

Not PP but no.

DP. So Taylor Swift has no backing tracks at all? This newsweek article covers recent lip sync accusations.

https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-eras-tour-lip-syncing-viral-video-paris-1900803#:~:text=%22Only%20some%20%5Bperformances%5D%20are,all%20real%20performances%2C%20live.%22

She definitely lip syncs for parts of the show but doesn’t appear to in eras as much as she did on the rep tour.

All pop stars do this but Beyonce is the best at it. It’s obvious when Taylor is lipping.

It’s a gross overstatement to describe what she does as lip syncing. Or to suggest it goes beyond industry standard.

All stadium performers use some kind of backup. Taylor uses backup singers.

Part of why this is de rigeur is the way music is produced now. Albums are not direct recordings. Vocals get blended and adjusted. So in order to sound like what people think is their real voice, artists have to approximate this kind of production in live shows. Everybody does this. For ex:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/arts/music/kuk-harrell-justin-biebers-vocal-producer.html?unlocked_article_code=1.2E0.urYt.Bz0sI0_qvCF5&smid=url-share

Taylor is first and foremost a songwriter, not a singer. She has never presented herself as a diva vocalist. She does not try to fake a vocal range she does not have.

Exactly. She also is dancing around and singing for THREE HOURS. Of course she would have to have SOME lip sync tracks. Clearly it doesnt affect anyone's desire to see her live

Dancing is a stretch. More like skipping around.
Bono moves a lot on stage too, but his band doesn’t use backing tracks. Ever.

No musician has ever performed a 3.5 hr concert 150 times. I’m not sure why you continue to poke at the smallest things. I’d take the addition of back tracks for what she does over the 90 min show that most bands are doing these days.

The thing I have always enjoyed about concerts is that they can be spontaneous. Musicians can play off the crowd, change songs, decide to do something different mid stream. After hearing everyone talk about Taylor’s concerts, hers are more of the choreographed variety. People have even mentioned her finger gestures as the same. I understand it is probably an amazing show, but it is like the Amusement park shows: a rehearsed extravaganza. That has its place, but that is also the genre she is in.

Other musicians mix it up and to me the spontaneous nature of their shows add to the joy I get out of it.

What are you talking about? She does spontaneous things at every concert. That's why there's hundreds of thousands that live stream every concert. Her speeches change, the surprise songs ALWAYS change, sometimes she hits a different note and winks (sending crazy Swifties into easter egg rabbit holes). But she herself has said that she wanted to make sure that certain aspects are very choreographed and rehearsed so she doesn't have to "think" and instead it allows her to be more spontaneous.

I don't understand why people who really don't know what they're talking about keep making statements that are untrue because of something they've "heard". What are you getting out of spreading a false narrative?

You mean the secret songs? That is like 2 songs hence why they were “secret” they were the only different things. She has a multi decade play list to choose from, but only changes a few songs and repeats those. It is fine and she does an amazing job. There is no way to change all the dancing and sets etc. But she absolutely isn’t doing a spontaneous concert. Many rock artists have entirely different set lists. They change songs in the middle, they play with the crowd during the song, change tempos add in another song or riff off of one to introduce another. She can’t with the amount of props, dancers and back up vocals, it is almost all the same. WHy is that hard for you?

To quote my co workers who went to multiple concerts, “I mean it was the same thing each time, but I still really enjoyed it.”

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Anonymous wrote:Travis is using Taylor to be in the spotlight. I think going on stage with, her at Wembley no less, is childish. He is not a musician nor an actor, so it’s attention seeking and kind of embarrassing.

I mean, she wasn’t gonna get Harry or Matty on that stage (would’ve been epic, must say), so she did what she could.

I just don’t understand the narrative all of the very rabid anti TS folks are sticking to. The idea that she is a tragic fool who no guy will like because of her narcissism and she is money hungry and “blocking” other artists and madly in love with this guy who thinks she’s a tool etc etc. It’s all so contrived and requires so much effort. Insisting on disliking someone or something vehemently because it’s popular is not a personality. It’s a weird need for attention for being cool and original and so above it all, and it makes you tiring. This is why you have to make Reddit sub forums to share your weird obsessive hatred. If you have built up this weird cache of manipulated information to make all these accusations you really, really need to get a new pastime.

+1000
Really well said

The anti-TS crew had one -two lines in their posts where they insulted no one.

You have 6 lines and try to insult them. Repeatedly. “Weird” (x3) “Obsessive”. “Manipulated”. “Accusations”

Who is rabid?

[Anonymous]

Come on people. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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Anonymous wrote:Spoiled kids getting all these cool stuff privileges. I’d be thrilled if she invites some disadvantaged children to her shows.

You know, that's interesting. Does Taylor invite disadvantaged kids to her concerts?

Are there any adult artists that set aside tickets for children?

Just rich ones mostly. Taylor is good about having celebrity kids photographed because we all love celebrities and it makes the show look even more appealing.

Smart marketing and PR.

Taylor has performed this show over 100 times, and I can recall has given the 22 hat to Selena's sister and the late Kobe Bryant's daughter. Which other celeb kids received the 22 hat? I've mostly noticed its generally a local child and/or one with an illness or disability. Yes, I stream almost all the shows.

Question for you since you have seen every show. I just read that Taylor doesn’t sing all the songs she has a track behind her to back her up? Is that true?

Not PP but no.

DP. So Taylor Swift has no backing tracks at all? This newsweek article covers recent lip sync accusations.

https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-eras-tour-lip-syncing-viral-video-paris-1900803#:~:text=%22Only%20some%20%5Bperformances%5D%20are,all%20real%20performances%2C%20live.%22

She definitely lip syncs for parts of the show but doesn’t appear to in eras as much as she did on the rep tour.

All pop stars do this but Beyonce is the best at it. It’s obvious when Taylor is lipping.

It’s a gross overstatement to describe what she does as lip syncing. Or to suggest it goes beyond industry standard.

All stadium performers use some kind of backup. Taylor uses backup singers.

Part of why this is de rigeur is the way music is produced now. Albums are not direct recordings. Vocals get blended and adjusted. So in order to sound like what people think is their real voice, artists have to approximate this kind of production in live shows. Everybody does this. For ex:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/arts/music/kuk-harrell-justin-biebers-vocal-producer.html?unlocked_article_code=1.2E0.urYt.Bz0sI0_qvCF5&smid=url-share

Taylor is first and foremost a songwriter, not a singer. She has never presented herself as a diva vocalist. She does not try to fake a vocal range she does not have.

Exactly. She also is dancing around and singing for THREE HOURS. Of course she would have to have SOME lip sync tracks. Clearly it doesnt affect anyone's desire to see her live

Dancing is a stretch. More like skipping around.
Bono moves a lot on stage too, but his band doesn’t use backing tracks. Ever.

No musician has ever performed a 3.5 hr concert 150 times. I’m not sure why you continue to poke at the smallest things. I’d take the addition of back tracks for what she does over the 90 min show that most bands are doing these days.

Um. Broadway? 8 shows a week? For years?

One person isn’t singing an entire Broadway show. They build in vocal rest during the performance.

[Anonymous]

So Taylor wrote many of her Eras hits about Matty while in a relationship with Joe and is now singing them to Travis at the concerts? Sorry Tay, but I am indeed second-hand embarrassed for you. This is so high school.

[Anonymous]

He’s a genuine guy. I don’t see how so many of the crazies on the site can’t see that

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Anonymous wrote:Travis is using Taylor to be in the spotlight. I think going on stage with, her at Wembley no less, is childish. He is not a musician nor an actor, so it’s attention seeking and kind of embarrassing.

I mean, she wasn’t gonna get Harry or Matty on that stage (would’ve been epic, must say), so she did what she could.

I just don’t understand the narrative all of the very rabid anti TS folks are sticking to. The idea that she is a tragic fool who no guy will like because of her narcissism and she is money hungry and “blocking” other artists and madly in love with this guy who thinks she’s a tool etc etc. It’s all so contrived and requires so much effort. Insisting on disliking someone or something vehemently because it’s popular is not a personality. It’s a weird need for attention for being cool and original and so above it all, and it makes you tiring. This is why you have to make Reddit sub forums to share your weird obsessive hatred. If you have built up this weird cache of manipulated information to make all these accusations you really, really need to get a new pastime.

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Well said. The anti-TS posters are FAR more obsessive and bizarre than the Swifties. I could see if she was a nasty person or had done something egregious - but she is neither of those things. Quite the opposite, in fact. These are the same people who hate Kate Middleton for simply being herself. It says so much about the haters, none of it good.